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Post by Bestie on Nov 23, 2017 13:59:35 GMT
Judging by some of the teams that could/will finish 2nd, we might be better off finishing 2nd ourselves. EDIT: We finish 1st - Potential opponents: Bayern, Roma, Juve, Sevilla, Shakhtar/Napoli, Porto, Real We finish 2nd - Potential opponents: PSG, Barca, Besiktas. Mourinho really might be a genius. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 23, 2017 14:01:49 GMT
Judging by some of the teams that could/will finish 2nd, we might be better off finishing 2nd ourselves. EDIT: We finish 1st - Potential opponents: Bayern, Roma, Juve, Sevilla, Shakhtar/Napoli, Porto, Real We finish 2nd - Potential opponents: PSG, Barca, Besiktas. Mourinho really might be a genius. We'd still get twatted, most likely, by PSG & Barca, but i'd fancy our chances of pulling Besiktas out of the hat instead. Especially when the other options include being twatted by Bayern, Juve & Real on the pitch. And Napoli off it. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 23, 2017 14:26:26 GMT
RE: Bailly, I have 100% faith that in 2 years he will be amazing. If Stones can turn into a good defender, Bailly can turn into a world class one.
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Post by redcase on Nov 23, 2017 15:55:58 GMT
Mourinho really might be a genius. We'd still get twatted, most likely, by PSG & Barca, but i'd fancy our chances of pulling Besiktas out of the hat instead. Especially when the other options include being twatted by Bayern, Juve & Real on the pitch. And Napoli off it. Holy fucking hell how does this shit even happen. Based on current form , I'd avoid Napoli, Bayern , Juve and Real in that order. But you know Madrid will turn it up in the later stages so it's a really shitty toss up . Sort of like choosing which of your mates you'd like to shag your girl. The man with the biggest penis but shortest stamina or the man with the smallest penis but who will go all night. |
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Post by Max United on Nov 23, 2017 17:13:32 GMT
Judging by some of the teams that could/will finish 2nd, we might be better off finishing 2nd ourselves. EDIT: We finish 1st - Potential opponents: Bayern, Roma, Juve, Sevilla, Shakhtar/Napoli, Porto, RealWe finish 2nd - Potential opponents: PSG, Barca, Besiktas. Fuck it. Bring on Real. I want blood still from that Nani shit. |
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Post by . on Nov 23, 2017 17:18:15 GMT
Disgusts me too mate. But when marquee signings are completely spineless or have absolutely no will to perform , the blame can't be laid at the feet of the manager. Not fully at least. Guardiola has been allowed to completely buy a whole new team in the space of 2 years. I'll throw blame at Mourinho for one thing. Fellaini. Guardiola has spent more, but IIRC it’s about £75-80m more. I’m not sure if we had spent £80m more in the past 18 months that that would have made the difference that is currently there. With the clear exception of Bravo, the cunt has annoyingly bought very well and improved (or maintained the level of) a lot of the players that were already there. We were 1 point and 1 place behind them when LVG and Pelligrini left. Looking at the squads we both had, ours wasn’t that far from theirs. It’s early days and we are in the title race still but it feels like we’re a lot further behind now. Edit: out of the starting XI vs. Leicester last weekend, 6/11 were there when Pep joined I believe, and 3/7 on the bench (including Aguero) were there too. So he’s certainly got in more than us, but if we swap out Sane for Aguero as a reasonable prediction of the team that will face us in a couple of weeks then it’s not totally his signings. Us being shit at selling definitely plays a role too. If you include sales in the budget differences between Pep and Jose in Manchester the gap is smaller than the £80m I said above I believe. Woodward really needs to be replaced on the transfers side of things. If we had spent that £80m more and it resulted in us bringing in Morata and Griezmann (instead of spunking it on Lukaku) - I think it really would have made a difference and we would not be much behind City, if at all. Still need to stop playing Fellaini, though. |
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Post by smithy2 on Nov 23, 2017 19:28:13 GMT
Haven’t we lost to Basel away before under fergie? Was wondering when this chestnut would come up. Been happening a lot this season, hasn't it - this 'hoodoo' at places. Anfield, Stamford Bridge, away to fucking Basel ... I have come to despise this line in sport. Not winning somewhere in the past is not an excuse for not winning there now. Poor performance . However. 12 points (+3 from second ) , +6 goal difference , playing cska at home/ fortress. Yeah we're qualifying first. That isn't really the point though. As Rio, Lampard and Gerrard all said after the game it's just about okay for results like this to happen now. Further into the competition though the sort of performances we have been putting in recently will have us found out. In Europe and the league. We're already miles behind city domestically. They have better players and play wildly better football. It disgusts me. I was more talking about the end of the world posts because we lost an away game in the champions league. Seems to be this idea floating around that we never used to lose games. To your other points mate I’m not being funny but myself and a few other posters were heavily critical of the way Jose set the team up last year and you routinely attacked us for it. Your stance changes like the weather at times and it’s hard to keep up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 19:58:01 GMT
I'd hold off on the desperation and post mortem until the end of December and see where we are. We've a massive run now until the end of Christmas in the PL and see who we get in the CL draw. We have players back, but still getting match fit, so if we can go on a really good run and keep it alive, we will no doubt strengthen in January and or the Summer. It worries me that we seem to be falling into the same pattern as the last few years start well then fall off into inconsistency, but win a cup or so. The next 5 games up to and including City are a big test for us now We need the gap down to at most 5 points before the new year starts, worst case scenario (that I wish to entertain)is they match us for results but we beat them. Cracks are starting to show in their squad, defensively. A few more injuries for them over the busy period and we could be right back up there with them just as our players seem to be coming back into the squad and back to match fitness. what's our fixture list over the Christmas period. I'm expecting an injury crisis. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 23, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
Was wondering when this chestnut would come up. Been happening a lot this season, hasn't it - this 'hoodoo' at places. Anfield, Stamford Bridge, away to fucking Basel ... I have come to despise this line in sport. Not winning somewhere in the past is not an excuse for not winning there now. That isn't really the point though. As Rio, Lampard and Gerrard all said after the game it's just about okay for results like this to happen now. Further into the competition though the sort of performances we have been putting in recently will have us found out. In Europe and the league. We're already miles behind city domestically. They have better players and play wildly better football. It disgusts me. I was more talking about the end of the world posts because we lost an away game in the champions league. Seems to be this idea floating around that we never used to lose games. To your other points mate I’m not being funny but myself and a few other posters were heavily critical of the way Jose set the team up last year and you routinely attacked us for it. Your stance changes like the weather at times and it’s hard to keep up. Exactly. Last year. We did what was needed last season. It may not have been brilliant, but it was more important to get somewhere than how we did it. It's Mourinho's second season, and we have every right to expect more. He's had two summer transfer windows, it's more his team. There are still huge flaws/weak links in the side but more of the shortcomings can/could/should be attributed to the manager. Of course my views change. Circumstances change all the time, so most opinions should be flexible to keep up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 21:51:30 GMT
I was more talking about the end of the world posts because we lost an away game in the champions league. Seems to be this idea floating around that we never used to lose games. To your other points mate I’m not being funny but myself and a few other posters were heavily critical of the way Jose set the team up last year and you routinely attacked us for it. Your stance changes like the weather at times and it’s hard to keep up. Exactly. Last year. We did what was needed last season. It may not have been brilliant, but it was more important to get somewhere than how we did it. It's Mourinho's second season, and we have every right to expect more. He's had two summer transfer windows, it's more his team. There are still huge flaws/weak links in the side but more of the shortcomings can/could/should be attributed to the manager. Of course my views change. Circumstances change all the time, so most opinions should be flexible to keep up. This is a tough one. At some point we as United fans should expect to be at a certain level & we'll all arrive there at different points. |
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Post by smithy2 on Nov 23, 2017 21:53:40 GMT
I was more talking about the end of the world posts because we lost an away game in the champions league. Seems to be this idea floating around that we never used to lose games. To your other points mate I’m not being funny but myself and a few other posters were heavily critical of the way Jose set the team up last year and you routinely attacked us for it. Your stance changes like the weather at times and it’s hard to keep up. Exactly. Last year. We did what was needed last season. It may not have been brilliant, but it was more important to get somewhere than how we did it. It's Mourinho's second season, and we have every right to expect more. He's had two summer transfer windows, it's more his team. There are still huge flaws/weak links in the side but more of the shortcomings can/could/should be attributed to the manager. Of course my views change. Circumstances change all the time, so most opinions should be flexible to keep up. This isn’t new for Jose though this is how his teams have played for since he came on our radar back with Porto. Granted with more success you could argue but he’s delivering trophies and an improved league position. I just feel like you all should of known what we were getting. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 22:24:44 GMT
Exactly. Last year. We did what was needed last season. It may not have been brilliant, but it was more important to get somewhere than how we did it. It's Mourinho's second season, and we have every right to expect more. He's had two summer transfer windows, it's more his team. There are still huge flaws/weak links in the side but more of the shortcomings can/could/should be attributed to the manager. Of course my views change. Circumstances change all the time, so most opinions should be flexible to keep up. This isn’t new for Jose though this is how his teams have played for since he came on our radar back with Porto. Granted with more success you could argue but he’s delivering trophies and an improved league position. I just feel like you all should of known what we were getting. I have a theory that everyone is just so used to the way Jose manages now, which hasn't changed, that they know if it's a home game then the opposition will almost certainly not win & if it's an away game the opposition has a very good chance. I feel like every game sort of feels the same in that regard & everyone sets up for it accordingly. It's a home game against anyone except a tom team then it's a 4-0. it's an away game the it's a 1-0 or 1-1 type game. I still think we can win titles doing that but probably not against a rampant City unless they have a big loss of form. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 23, 2017 22:38:27 GMT
I was more talking about the end of the world posts because we lost an away game in the champions league. Seems to be this idea floating around that we never used to lose games. To your other points mate I’m not being funny but myself and a few other posters were heavily critical of the way Jose set the team up last year and you routinely attacked us for it. Your stance changes like the weather at times and it’s hard to keep up. Exactly. Last year. We did what was needed last season. It may not have been brilliant, but it was more important to get somewhere than how we did it. It's Mourinho's second season, and we have every right to expect more. He's had two summer transfer windows, it's more his team. There are still huge flaws/weak links in the side but more of the shortcomings can/could/should be attributed to the manager. Of course my views change. Circumstances change all the time, so most opinions should be flexible to keep up My biggest criticism are the areas within the squad that haven't been addressed this summer especially in the full back positions. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Nov 24, 2017 2:25:59 GMT
We should have put this game away in the first half. The last game suddenly becomes a must win now. Must win? Get a grip. A draw and we top the group. Lose by less than five and we’re through. Yes must win. End the group stage by winning at home. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 24, 2017 10:11:40 GMT
After years of my paying (through the fucking nose) for BT Sport and Sky HD throughout the house, and now having cancelled most of it, I am feeling quite smug as I watch the game using my son’s BT subscription,he flew the nest in summer😀😀 I haven't paid for any of them since i got a fire stick and loaded it with Kodi  What build? |
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