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Post by Karma on Feb 1, 2018 11:34:18 GMT
Yeah I'm sure Sir Matt was gutted when we won that cup in 68. Didn't City win the league that season too, I'm sure they did? Yep, that's what I said. Totally. Would be devastated if we win the European Cup this season. Inconsolable.  Fucking hell, take a day off. You said it would be a failure though unless it's a premier league. That's your opinion. I'm not sure everyone would agree with it mind. |
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2018 11:58:42 GMT
And I don't think there's a single club we can peddle Lukaku off to either. No top club will be interested in a technically lacking striker like him. Reichschancellor Levy would sooner hogtie and lock Kane up in his basement rather than sell to us. If it only took 55 million to get Aubameyang , I'm thinking that's the way we should have gone in the summer. I think he will come good. It's that pressure of playing for United I feel. Second season might be different. Like Berba. He's still scoring. Just not enough. Aubameyang has baggage and he's older than Lukaku. Not arsed. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 1, 2018 12:04:01 GMT
And I don't think there's a single club we can peddle Lukaku off to either. No top club will be interested in a technically lacking striker like him. Reichschancellor Levy would sooner hogtie and lock Kane up in his basement rather than sell to us. If it only took 55 million to get Aubameyang , I'm thinking that's the way we should have gone in the summer. I think he will come good. It's that pressure of playing for United I feel. Second season might be different. Like Berba. He's still scoring. Just not enough. Aubameyang has baggage and he's older than Lukaku. Not arsed. You're a strong man, to still have faith. I tried all of last game but after 90 minutes I was like WTF is he actually good at ? |
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Post by juanveron on Feb 1, 2018 12:04:25 GMT
I think it’s Jose's predictability that is making it so easy for other teams to counter us away from home on the bigger games. You can predict his every move.
We have one more big away game in the league this season, against City. If Jose doesn’t show that he learned from all of these horrible displays then Pep will make him look like a clown.
Time to evolve Jose!
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Post by juanveron on Feb 1, 2018 12:06:47 GMT
I think he will come good. It's that pressure of playing for United I feel. Second season might be different. Like Berba. He's still scoring. Just not enough. Aubameyang has baggage and he's older than Lukaku. Not arsed. You're a strong man, to still have faith. I tried all of last game but after 90 minutes I was like WTF is he actually good at ? I think it’s a little harsh to put so much blame on Lukaku in games like yesterday. The entire team played really really poorly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:08:17 GMT
Zidane had won fuck all before real He joined Madrid when Ronaldo and co were still tearing it up. Two seasons on their best players are on the wane. It's just like Di Matteo at Chelsea. No big club should appoint ex players without having a decent managerial CV. Playing and managing are completely different. Fact is sometimes it works. Pep and Zidane had won fuck all before managing there. What's his name who won every trophy with Barca too. I don't want to get in a discussion about it. It's just a fact that less qualified people than Pochettino have won a lot going to places like that. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 1, 2018 12:19:25 GMT
He joined Madrid when Ronaldo and co were still tearing it up. Two seasons on their best players are on the wane. It's just like Di Matteo at Chelsea. No big club should appoint ex players without having a decent managerial CV. Playing and managing are completely different. Fact is sometimes it works. Pep and Zidane had won fuck all before managing there. What's his name who won every trophy with Barca too. I don't want to get in a discussion about it. It's just a fact that less qualified people than Pochettino have won a lot going to places like that. That's two players out of a long list of ex players. Spain also have a big advantage in that they can pull in the best players, the big two have better Tv deals. It isnt a level playing field. Madrid may well take a risk with Poch but they will fire his arse out without hesitation if he fails to deliver in his first season. For all his teams nice football and decent squad they still have yet to win anything. He turns his nose up at the lesser cups which is the wrong attitude to have. Spurs fans would love any trophy I'm sure. |
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Post by _ on Feb 1, 2018 13:01:43 GMT
Proper order. He was absolutely shit last night and has no idea how to play a role deeper. You can argue that it's not his fault, he's an attacking player, but he's a midfielder and should be able to dig in with Matic when needs must or Mourinho should just accept he can't operate in a defensive way! Herrera should have played in a 4-3-3 , but he clearly doesn't trust Herrera, so why bother keeping him! May as well give McTominay a job |
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Post by viking22 on Feb 1, 2018 13:11:28 GMT
Pretty glaringly obvious mistakes from Jose. Pogba shouldn't play in a midfield pair in big games. And Lukaku shouldn't play period in big games.
I would really like to see Rashford given more opportunities upfront especially in big games. He has done a job for the team out wide but he has lost some of his predatory instinct as a result and we need to back him to become a top tier number 9. Lukaku isn't really going to get that much better whereas with Rashford the sky is the limit. Plus Martial and Sanchez are much better options out wide.
Our defence always has occasional nightmares especially when the protection from midfield is lacking. Bailly is hugely missed and I cannot believe Smalling and Jones are still at the club. A quite significant reason for our demise since Fergie left was that Rio and Vidic were basically finished at the same time and Smalling and Jones didn't measure up as replacements...too inconsistent and too injury prone.
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Post by Chris on Feb 1, 2018 13:13:37 GMT
I think he will come good. It's that pressure of playing for United I feel. Second season might be different. Like Berba. He's still scoring. Just not enough. Aubameyang has baggage and he's older than Lukaku. Not arsed. You're a strong man, to still have faith. I tried all of last game but after 90 minutes I was like WTF is he actually good at ? If I don't have faith, I have nothing! |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 1, 2018 13:17:09 GMT
Lukaku made one big glaring error last night when he tried to pass back to Martial instead of making an attempt to go around the keeper. When the service is that poor and our midfield is non-existent causing us to resort to hoof ball, what can he do? Last night also showed that we can’t cope with a team that presses. Matic was left way too deep and was exposed numerous times, which again falls on jose for failing to have a 3 man midfield. Herrera is being handled just as badly or even worse right now than under LVG.
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Post by _ on Feb 1, 2018 13:20:02 GMT
There should be no excusing Jose for this rank performance as his record against our competitors beggars belief, it's so bad, and he simply carried on the tradition. However, did anyone else notice how we didn't get any luck with the bounce today? Every Spurs misplaced pass or slip ended up back with them and every ricochet and rebound ended up being in their favour whereas ours went out, behind our player, or to the opposition. Sometimes a team suffers days like this one, it's just weird. Good teams make their own luck. We were second to every ricochet, sloppy with easy passes, lazy with the options of our passing that put others into trouble. 4-2-3-1 is as out of date now as 4-4-2 was ten years ago. Mourinho has to change. The fuck is the point of having the likes of Pogba in your team and then not playing to his strengths? Jose was right to get at Pogba for not doing the defensive side, but unless he is also going to berate De Gea for not scoring goals what the hell does he expect. I agree, but it kind of annoys me that a midfield player with his athleticism can't do some sort basic defensive role and he was caught in possesion so many times last night in key areas . It's really a clash between manager and player too, because it's not the first time. It also comes down to poor decision making from Mourinho on players and the transfer market. His love of Fellaini and his lack of it for Herrera means we consistently play 4231, which works against lesser teams, but any decent ball players walk through our midfield put a load of pressure on defense and cut out the supply to the forwards.. see Chelsea, City, Spurs, Dippers this year and last. Last year Herrera did a good job in certain games, but this year he has decided he can't do it and Fellaini OMG .. |
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Post by _ on Feb 1, 2018 13:22:10 GMT
It's a toss up for the worst part of last night's abomination. Either the complete inevitablity of it when a big team lines up against us or the total deflation at the result. I try to be positive, optimistic andI bullish. But being second really does mean fuck all. Previously I've said that being relevant in May is what is important this season. Well we won't be. Mourinho has failed this season. Doesn't matter what we do in Europe or the FA Cup. The League is the measuring stick and we have fallen way, way short. We have quite a few more big games, coming second or 4th is not a given yet! |
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Post by grandpaTJ on Feb 1, 2018 13:26:42 GMT
The only thing I can think of regards this match is that it was depressing as foooook!
Had high hopes too..would like to see this team play to full potential
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Post by _ on Feb 1, 2018 13:39:23 GMT
Overall, yes. As posted ^^ anybody can pull out a cup run to save a season. (c. f. Manchester United F. C., 2016-2017) but the proper yardstick is the League. In which we are miles off the pace. I don't disagree with that. But its the Champions League, and to me that's huge. Yeah it's huge and incredibly difficult to win 1999 and 2008 teams were fantastic especially that 2008 team IMO. That team you could believe would beat anyone and were defensively brilliant in the back four AND IN MIDFIELD! That midfield in 1999 was excellent and 2008 very underated. Carrick and Hargreaves were immense in front of a very good defense and Scholes etc in front. Said it before Jan. We won't win anything this year with that midfield. It's partly personnel and partly Mourinho's fault. His blindness with Fellaini and lack of clear plan in MF after two years! |
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