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Post by Stew on Feb 2, 2018 11:37:29 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but people are losing their shit completely over Jones. The guys been outstanding for Utd this season. He had a bad game, probably his worst in years. He's still our best CB imo. and our best pairing is him and Bailly. Castigate payers after a shite performance is fine. As long as it's fairly distributed. In which I expect to see 8 changes for tomorrow's match with only DDG, Valencia and Sanchez keeping their places. I think Jones had a strong start to the season that has since tailed off. I also think him and Bailly are too similar to be a great pairing. One of them with one of Lindelof/Smalling makes more sense in theory IMO. The main problem with Jones though, IMO, isn't that he is bad. It's just that we should have better. If we want to seriously compete for the PL and the CL he should be a backup at best IMO, and it doesn't feel that way right now. He'd probably be the star man at a non-top 6 club, like Evans is at WBA. I totally disagree. Jones is a better CB than any at Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Toby A is probably a better CB but not by much. Jones is also a better defender than anything City has presently, yet they are challenging for the title. How? Because you rarely get to get at their CBs. Jones was poor the other night but it didn’t help that Spurs had a clear run at the back four all game as Matic floundered about and Pogba went totally awol. Young deciding to play like a complete drain didn’t help either. |
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Post by _ on Feb 2, 2018 12:25:43 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but people are losing their shit completely over Jones. The guys been outstanding for Utd this season. He had a bad game, probably his worst in years. He's still our best CB imo. and our best pairing is him and Bailly. Castigating players after a shite performance is fine. As long as it's fairly distributed. In which case I expect to see 8 changes for tomorrow's match with only DDG, Valencia and Sanchez keeping their places. I didn't even blame Jones for that defeat in any way. I commented on the fact that he should be on the right anyway and I think he is our best defender, even if he had a bad game on Wednesday he also did some good things. He had to come out a lot because there was no cover from MF too and that was a huge issue for the CB's I'm just backing up your comments BTW not saying you were pointing the finger Worst performances for me were Lukaku, Pogba and Young none of them were able to adapt to what they had to do. This put extra pressure on Jones and Smalling as a result, but neither had a good game |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 2, 2018 12:29:00 GMT
I think Jones had a strong start to the season that has since tailed off. I also think him and Bailly are too similar to be a great pairing. One of them with one of Lindelof/Smalling makes more sense in theory IMO. The main problem with Jones though, IMO, isn't that he is bad. It's just that we should have better. If we want to seriously compete for the PL and the CL he should be a backup at best IMO, and it doesn't feel that way right now. He'd probably be the star man at a non-top 6 club, like Evans is at WBA. I totally disagree. Jones is a better CB than any at Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Toby A is probably a better CB but not by much. Jones is also a better defender than anything City has presently, yet they are challenging for the title. How? Because you rarely get to get at their CBs. Jones was poor the other night but it didn’t help that Spurs had a clear run at the back four all game as Matic floundered about and Pogba went totally awol. Young deciding to play like a complete drain didn’t help either. Wow, big claims. I have to say I disagree (though he is better than any of Liverpool's in fairness), but fair enough. |
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Post by _ on Feb 2, 2018 12:33:35 GMT
Proper order. He was absolutely shit last night and has no idea how to play a role deeper. You can argue that it's not his fault, he's an attacking player, but he's a midfielder and should be able to dig in with Matic when needs must or Mourinho should just accept he can't operate in a defensive way! Herrera should have played in a 4-3-3 , but he clearly doesn't trust Herrera, so why bother keeping him! May as well give McTominay a job The thing that gets me about Pogba is he can play exactly on position and that's it. If you don't play him on the left of 3 man midfield you don't get anything from him. I don't rate him as highly as many on here do for that reason. It works against the shit teams because we can play high and attack a lot and Pogba plays like a quarter back literally and he's great at it. The problem is as you say he can't do anything else, he is totally shit in 50% of the job of a MF player, he is defensively reactive chasing the game rather thanproactive in defense so he needs two good players to cover him against good teams. That means we can't play Lingard or Mata but need to play 4-3-3, which is fine when, but we don't really have a CM good enough to play with Matic and someone to give him a rest or challenge him. We need two mids 1) DM to share that job with Matic and a really good all round player who can play on the right. Herrera needs to step up there for the rest of the season but next year we have to go big |
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Post by Stew on Feb 2, 2018 12:34:26 GMT
I totally disagree. Jones is a better CB than any at Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Toby A is probably a better CB but not by much. Jones is also a better defender than anything City has presently, yet they are challenging for the title. How? Because you rarely get to get at their CBs. Jones was poor the other night but it didn’t help that Spurs had a clear run at the back four all game as Matic floundered about and Pogba went totally awol. Young deciding to play like a complete drain didn’t help either. Wow, big claims. I have to say I disagree (though he is better than any of Liverpool's in fairness), but fair enough. Obviously this is just my opinion. My main point is I don’t see anything appreciably better, bar Toby A, at any of the top English clubs than Jones. And I think if you put Stones or Cahill in there the other night, with the complete lack of cover from midfield, then they would have looked as bad if not worse. |
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Post by juanveron on Feb 2, 2018 12:48:04 GMT
Jones has largely been terrific this season.
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Post by mightyez on Feb 2, 2018 13:16:35 GMT
Let’s be clear on this in a midfield 3 you don’t need another attacking player, pogba can do that role perfectly, matic sits perfectly what is missing is a box to box player who can support both and fill the gap when pogba is further up Field.
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Post by ratbag on Feb 2, 2018 13:20:52 GMT
Let’s be clear on this in a midfield 3 you don’t need another attacking player, pogba can do that role perfectly, matic sits perfectly what is missing is a box to box player who can support both and fill the gap when pogba is further up Field. Just this... But we will need a replacement / backup for Matic... |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 2, 2018 14:09:24 GMT
Jones has largely been terrific this season. Jones has been and will be much better with Bailly returning hopefully by the end of the month. |
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Post by mightyez on Feb 2, 2018 15:30:42 GMT
Let’s be clear on this in a midfield 3 you don’t need another attacking player, pogba can do that role perfectly, matic sits perfectly what is missing is a box to box player who can support both and fill the gap when pogba is further up Field. Just this... But we will need a replacement / backup for Matic... Yeah defo. In the summer it’s got to be 2 midfielders in immediately, 1 that is world class to play in a 3 and compete with Ander who I feel can do the box to box role if given a run of 5/6 games. The other midfielder needs to be the carrick replacement to compete with matic. Last purchase should be sessegnon from Fulham to compete with shaw. Every other position is well stacked. Right back will tfm back to further the options. With solid sales of mata, rojo, Darmian and blind as well as ibra, carrick, young and Fellaini off the wage books we have enough to spend 100 million easily with at least half recouped from the sales. I expect the courts to earn their tidy wages and uncover some gems |
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Post by DiegoRed on Feb 2, 2018 16:53:58 GMT
Just this... But we will need a replacement / backup for Matic... Yeah defo. In the summer it’s got to be 2 midfielders in immediately, 1 that is world class to play in a 3 and compete with Ander who I feel can do the box to box role if given a run of 5/6 games. The other midfielder needs to be the carrick replacement to compete with matic. Last purchase should be sessegnon from Fulham to compete with shaw. Every other position is well stacked. Right back will tfm back to further the options. With solid sales of mata, rojo, Darmian and blind as well as ibra, carrick, young and Fellaini off the wage books we have enough to spend 100 million easily with at least half recouped from the sales. I expect the courts to earn their tidy wages and uncover some gems Mata just signed an extension. Not sure 100 million is enough during a World Cup summer with the prices that are being quoted for players these days. £100 will get you a Mahrez and a 12 year old. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 2, 2018 17:47:40 GMT
Forgive my laziness but Serbia have qualified for the World Cup right? Makes nailing down the chap with the never-ending name as early as possible a must.
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Post by grandpaTJ on Feb 2, 2018 18:17:01 GMT
Well
Had to endure Nurse's gloating about the debacle called this past match
FOOOOOOOK!
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Post by mightyez on Feb 3, 2018 3:37:15 GMT
Yeah defo. In the summer it’s got to be 2 midfielders in immediately, 1 that is world class to play in a 3 and compete with Ander who I feel can do the box to box role if given a run of 5/6 games. The other midfielder needs to be the carrick replacement to compete with matic. Last purchase should be sessegnon from Fulham to compete with shaw. Every other position is well stacked. Right back will tfm back to further the options. With solid sales of mata, rojo, Darmian and blind as well as ibra, carrick, young and Fellaini off the wage books we have enough to spend 100 million easily with at least half recouped from the sales. I expect the courts to earn their tidy wages and uncover some gems Mata just signed an extension. Not sure 100 million is enough during a World Cup summer with the prices that are being quoted for players these days. £100 will get you a Mahrez and a 12 year old. There are deals to be made and splashing obscene money is not always the answer. If the scouts do their jobs we wouldn’t have to go crazy. The carrick replacement should be a scout job. Sessegnon 25 million plus another leftback in return on loan or permanent. 75 million on a class mid |
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Post by aussiegraham on Feb 3, 2018 6:23:11 GMT
Well Had to endure Nurse's gloating about the debacle called this past match FOOOOOOOK! This match was good practice for all of us (me included) in being gracious in defeat. I called up my Spurs-supporting friends and congratulated them on a comprehensive ass-kicking. They don't know what to do when United fans hold their hands up and say yeah, we got thumped. Were Spurs really that good? I’m not so sure, they played well but we were so poor we elevated their game. A really good team would have run up a cricket score against our clueless, headless chickens! |
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