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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:18:41 GMT
And yet he's right in that all of it came about cos of Fergie. Pissing off the shareholders so the gimps could take over. Thus saddling us with the debt. Siding with the gimps and allowing the squad to age. Remember the "no value" line? Picking Moyes. Everything now is because of all that. If Jose didn't have to make up for the shit show between Fergie leaving and him being appointed, maybe things would be very different. Would you swap it? Blaming Fergie for Jose not cutting it is funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:22:40 GMT
And yet he's right in that all of it came about cos of Fergie. Pissing off the shareholders so the gimps could take over. Thus saddling us with the debt. Siding with the gimps and allowing the squad to age. Remember the "no value" line? Picking Moyes. Everything now is because of all that. If Jose didn't have to make up for the shit show between Fergie leaving and him being appointed, maybe things would be very different. I can't quite buy that anymore. Particularly when looking at our attacking football. We have a talented, exciting group of attacking players and he's simply failing to get the best out of them at the minute. He can't blame that on any previous managers or anything/anyone else. It's up to him to find the right setup/lineup/style. If he was getting the best out of what he has available and we were still falling short I'd have much less of an issue with him but I just don't think he is right now. Switch to a 4-3-3, play Shaw regularly and swap Martial and Sanchez starting positions around. If it's still shit and Pogba still looks garbage then the players will rightly receive more of the flack. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 12, 2018 20:27:23 GMT
And yet he's right in that all of it came about cos of Fergie. Pissing off the shareholders so the gimps could take over. Thus saddling us with the debt. Siding with the gimps and allowing the squad to age. Remember the "no value" line? Picking Moyes. Everything now is because of all that. If Jose didn't have to make up for the shit show between Fergie leaving and him being appointed, maybe things would be very different. While City were planning ahead for Pep and chums Gill and co were telling everyone we had learned from the mistakes after Busby and had Moyes pencilled in for Scottishness and stability. If we want to start pointing fingers..... |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 12, 2018 20:31:15 GMT
And yet he's right in that all of it came about cos of Fergie. Pissing off the shareholders so the gimps could take over. Thus saddling us with the debt. Siding with the gimps and allowing the squad to age. Remember the "no value" line? Picking Moyes. Everything now is because of all that. If Jose didn't have to make up for the shit show between Fergie leaving and him being appointed, maybe things would be very different. I can't quite buy that anymore. Particularly when looking at our attacking football. We have a talented, exciting group of attacking players and he's simply failing to get the best out of them at the minute. He can't blame that on any previous managers or anything/anyone else. It's up to him to find the right setup/lineup/style. If he was getting the best out of what he has available and we were still falling short I'd have much less of an issue with him but I just don't think he is right now. Switch to a 4-3-3, play Shaw regularly and swap Martial and Sanchez starting positions around. If it's still shit and Pogba still looks garbage then the players will rightly receive more of the flack. Lol, no they won't. Shaw is still having excuses made for him despite being called out by every manager he has played for. No questions about how he has been unfit for purpose for so long (and picking up his wages). Just blaming the current manager for victimising him. Yet it is the same manager who is the one to get him back to near his best. Martials attitude stank the place out yet the manager got blamed for it all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:35:52 GMT
I can't quite buy that anymore. Particularly when looking at our attacking football. We have a talented, exciting group of attacking players and he's simply failing to get the best out of them at the minute. He can't blame that on any previous managers or anything/anyone else. It's up to him to find the right setup/lineup/style. If he was getting the best out of what he has available and we were still falling short I'd have much less of an issue with him but I just don't think he is right now. Switch to a 4-3-3, play Shaw regularly and swap Martial and Sanchez starting positions around. If it's still shit and Pogba still looks garbage then the players will rightly receive more of the flack. Lol, no they won't. Shaw is still having excuses made for him despite being called out by every manager he has played for. No questions about how he has been unfit for purpose for so long (and picking up his wages). Just blaming the current manager for victimising him. Yet it is the same manager who is the one to get him back to near his best. Martials attitude stank the place out yet the manager got blamed for it all. People aren't making excuses for Shaw. The manager is openly coming out and saying how good he's looking at the moment, saying how much he's improved and still not playing him despite Young's form in the position tailing off. Again, something else which is detrimental to the team's performances. Young has been great for most of the season and should be commended for his performances but he's not a left back, Shaw is and a bloody good one at that who now seems to be in the manager's good books. It makes no sense to have him on the bench anymore. Martial is someone I can agree on to an extent. He's been largely inconsistent for me this season but seems to get a free pass, although he's still been our best performer on the left and again it makes such little sense to be shunting him out to the right hand side when we know Sanchez is very capable in that position. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 12, 2018 20:37:44 GMT
Everything comes from the top down.
Until the gimps start running the club as an actual football club rather than a cash cow then no amount of changing managers is going to fix it.
They need to cough up the cash to jettison the shite in the squad and then cough up more to reinforce it.
They need to cough up the cash to improve the stadium and get more kids in. And allow more freedom of movement in terns of people sitting/standing together to help improve the atmosphere. And stop targeting tourists who will spend more in the megastore rather than those that will make some noise.
They need to invest more in the youth system. We should be poaching all the best talent as we used to (like buying Sessegnon). And not just foreign players too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:39:17 GMT
Everything comes from the top down. Until the gimps start running the club as an actual football club rather than a cash cow then no amount of changing managers is going to fix it. They need to cough up the cash to jettison the shite in the squad and then cough up more to reinforce it. They need to cough up the cash to improve the stadium and get more kids in. And allow more freedom of movement in terns of people sitting/standing together to help improve the atmosphere. And stop targeting tourists who will spend more in the megastore rather than those that will make some noise. They need to invest more in the youth system. We should be poaching all the best talent as we used to (like buying Sessegnon). And not just foreign players too. I agree with most of this but I still think Mourinho should be doing better regardless. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 12, 2018 20:40:13 GMT
Lol, no they won't. Shaw is still having excuses made for him despite being called out by every manager he has played for. No questions about how he has been unfit for purpose for so long (and picking up his wages). Just blaming the current manager for victimising him. Yet it is the same manager who is the one to get him back to near his best. Martials attitude stank the place out yet the manager got blamed for it all. People aren't making excuses for Shaw. The manager is openly coming out and saying how good he's looking at the moment, saying how much he's improved and still not playing him despite Young's form in the position tailing off. Again, something else which is detrimental to the team's performances. Young has been great for most of the season and should be commended for his performances but he's not a left back, Shaw is and a bloody good one at that who now seems to be in the manager's good books. It makes no sense to have him on the bench anymore. Martial is someone I can agree on to an extent. He's been largely inconsistent for me this season but seems to get a free pass, although he's still been our best performer on the left and again it makes such little sense to be shunting him out to the right hand side when we know Sanchez is very capable in that position. He should be playing Shaw now, no excuses. Young has become a regular starter which despite some decent games shouldn't have happened. I think hes he's going to have to drop Lingard so that Sanchez and Martial can play in their correct positions. Very few players can justify a starting place including Lingard. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 12, 2018 20:42:20 GMT
Lol, no they won't. Shaw is still having excuses made for him despite being called out by every manager he has played for. No questions about how he has been unfit for purpose for so long (and picking up his wages). Just blaming the current manager for victimising him. Yet it is the same manager who is the one to get him back to near his best. Martials attitude stank the place out yet the manager got blamed for it all. People aren't making excuses for Shaw. The manager is openly coming out and saying how good he's looking at the moment, saying how much he's improved and still not playing him despite Young's form in the position tailing off. Again, something else which is detrimental to the team's performances. Young has been great for most of the season and should be commended for his performances but he's not a left back, Shaw is and a bloody good one at that who now seems to be in the manager's good books. It makes no sense to have him on the bench anymore. Martial is someone I can agree on to an extent. He's been largely inconsistent for me this season but seems to get a free pass, although he's still been our best performer on the left and again it makes such little sense to be shunting him out to the right hand side when we know Sanchez is very capable in that position. Yes he is. Shaw has been ok. Nothing more. But then he should have been that way last season (you know when he was unfit??) Yes he should be ahead of Young now, but then he should have been there last season but wasn't fit/able. That is completely overlooked and where questions should be asked about Shaws commitment /attitude towards playing for us. It might explain why he isn't being played all the time now eh? "don't worry about fucking around and being unfit for ages. You can just waltz back into the team regardless." |
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 12, 2018 20:42:28 GMT
Fergie left an aging squad?
Are people so angry at how things are going they're just flat out making up complete fucking bollocks now?
United's squad in 2013 and the ages.
De Gea - 23 Rafael - 23 Fabio - 23 Jones - 21 Smalling - 24 Evans - 25 Ferdinand - 35 Vidic - 32 Evra - 32 Buttner - 24 Cleverley - 24 Carrick - 32 Powell - 19 Fletcher - 29 Anderson - 25 Giggs - 40 Nani - 27 Kagawa - 24 Januzaj - 18 Zaha - 21 Valencia - 28 Young - 28 Rooney - 28 Van Persie - 30 Hernandez - 25 Welbeck - 23
So, just the 15 players in and around the 1st team squad 25 and under. The massive number of 6 aged 30 and over.
If you want to comment on the ability of the young players, that's a totally different argument and his judgement can be questioned, absolutely. But to try and slag Fergie off making out like he fucked youth off and let the squad grow old, is bollocks.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Feb 12, 2018 20:45:36 GMT
Everything comes from the top down. Until the gimps start running the club as an actual football club rather than a cash cow then no amount of changing managers is going to fix it. They need to cough up the cash to jettison the shite in the squad and then cough up more to reinforce it. They need to cough up the cash to improve the stadium and get more kids in. And allow more freedom of movement in terns of people sitting/standing together to help improve the atmosphere. And stop targeting tourists who will spend more in the megastore rather than those that will make some noise. They need to invest more in the youth system. We should be poaching all the best talent as we used to (like buying Sessegnon). And not just foreign players too. I agree with most of this but I still think Mourinho should be doing better regardless. Yes he should, but the problem(s) run alot deeper than the manager. |
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Post by On a break on Feb 12, 2018 20:48:07 GMT
Anyone think it’s strange that we have so many predominantly right footed attacking players that have trouble playing on the right?
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Post by redcase on Feb 12, 2018 20:55:50 GMT
Fergie left an aging squad?
Are people so angry at how things are going they're just flat out making up complete fucking bollocks now?
United's squad in 2013 and the ages.
De Gea - 23 Rafael - 23 Fabio - 23 Jones - 21 Smalling - 24 Evans - 25 Ferdinand - 35 Vidic - 32 Evra - 32 Buttner - 24 Cleverley - 24 Carrick - 32 Powell - 19 Fletcher - 29 Anderson - 25 Giggs - 40 Nani - 27 Kagawa - 24 Januzaj - 18 Zaha - 21 Valencia - 28 Young - 28 Rooney - 28 Van Persie - 30 Hernandez - 25 Welbeck - 23
So, just the 15 players in and around the 1st team squad 25 and under. The massive number of 6 aged 30 and over.
If you want to comment on the ability of the young players, that's a totally different argument and his judgement can be questioned, absolutely. But to try and slag Fergie off making out like he fucked youth off and let the squad grow old, is bollocks.
The 6 you write of, were the core of the team. Or are we counting Powell also as a major part of our team ? And also, Giggs - 40, is a disgrace in itself. Now that you show us this list, not only did he leave us with an ageing core, he left us with some right shite players in there as well. Most of all, he got in an inept fucking cunt who sold the players who actually were good for this squad and brought in that cunt Fellaini . So you're damn right he deserves to carry some of this weight. Edit : Yes, I'm being ridiculous on purpose, because it seems that's the tone of this board now. |
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Post by . on Feb 12, 2018 20:56:51 GMT
Yeah, you know someone is bang on the money when they quote Souness for validation . I'm not a fan of Souness, but what exactly isn't true about what he said about Pogba? Are you watching a world beating midfielder this season? I'm certainly not, just my mediocre opinion any many others opinion (like the fan telling the truth in that vid). |
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Post by Karma on Feb 12, 2018 21:03:30 GMT
Yeah, you know someone is bang on the money when they quote Souness for validation . I'm not a fan of Souness, but what exactly isn't true about what he said about Pogba? Are you watching a world beating midfielder this season? I'm certainly not, just my mediocre opinion any many others opinion (like the fan telling the truth in that vid). You may as well have asked John Aldridge for his thoughts as well Both as sour as each other when it comes to United. I know you don't like Jose but you don't need these kind of wankers to validate your opinion. Souness also said we had basically tapped Sanchez up and hijacked City's deal. Not really an opinion from a fair minded character is it? |
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