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Post by Stew on Mar 14, 2018 13:48:39 GMT
Neither Sanchez or Fellani should be anywhere near nailed on starters at present. Sanchez has shown himself to be a top player in the past but we cant wait for him to play himself into form. He can bide his time like everyone else has had to (bar maybe Lukaku) and grasp his opportunity when next it arises.
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Post by _ on Mar 14, 2018 13:58:27 GMT
Once again I never said that! I got it from this: [On Sanchez] He's had a bad effect on the team and has been a passenger at best. As if we were good before he showed up. You have also been hyper-critical of him constantly since he signed. Possibly warranted to an extent. Just don't think that Sanchez being out of form is our most pressing issue. I'm more comfortable with Sanchez being a nailed on regardless of form starter than Fellaini. At least Sanchez might do something good. I just think you were taking what I said out of context. My apologies for biting back, but the post was in response to a particular thread on double standards re players who Mourinho backs and won't drop. I couldn't agree more that we have more issues than just Sanchez |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:06:53 GMT
True, though some of those have some context around them. Vigo for example gave me several heart attacks but a draw meant we went through so it wasn't a problem. The Madrid loss obviously had that disgraceful decision by Cunyet. We would have been found out further along the line. That squad was being held together by Fergie's drive and the excellent Van Persie. The season before we were absolutely rank and got knocked out of an easy CL group and were outclassed by Bilbao in the Europa. We've been on the decline since we sold Ronaldo and allowed a great team to plunder because of inadequate investment. A EL trophy and the last 16 is our current level. The much lauded City went out at the same stage last season against Monaco Spurs couldn't even get past the first knockout stage of the Europa. City went shopping at Monaco in the summer and addressed their weaknesses. We have to do the same. No more contract extensions for players like Valencia, Young, Rojo, Jones, Fellani etc. Jose needs to work out Sanchez's best position. We have to persevere with him because it sends out a bad signal to potential new signings, if you don't hit the ground running you're on your bike. I like Martial but he needs to be more consistent, same with Rashford. Christ knows what's happened with Pogba. Good post, but I know what happened with these two. They got played out of position or got benched after they had played well so we could accommodate a needless new toy. I would be extremely disappointed if we "shopped at Monaco" before giving TFM and Tuanzebe a fair crack at first team football. It worked very well with Rashford and Lingard, and to an extent with McTominay. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 14:09:19 GMT
Miki was shite. Let's not pretend otherwise. Apart from some good performances in the EL he was Di Maria's more handsome younger brother who became invisible...a lot. This team was inconsistent and disjointed long before Sanchez rolled into town. You’ve gone full Jose here this morning. Not sure what your endgame is to be honest. There’s debate and then there’s complete head in the sand stuff. I don't remember angry cries of "don't let him go Jose" on here. Many were practically rolling out the red carpet for him to leave. Now all of a sudden the crowd are quiet. Thats not head in the sand . Just because last nights game was shit doesn't change Miki being what he was. |
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Post by _ on Mar 14, 2018 14:14:26 GMT
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Stats don't always tell the real story, but those stats with and without Mata tell are interesting
WITH MATA
When Mata starts:
Wins: 23
Draws: 4
Losses: 1
Win Percentage: 82
Premier League
Games: 19
W/D/L: 15/3/1
Champions League
Games: 5
W/D/L: 4/1/0
WITHOUT MATA
When Mata comes off the bench:
Wins: 8
Draws: 7
Losses: 2
Win percentage: 47
Premier League
Games: 11
W/D/L: 5/4/2
Champions League
Games: 3
W/D/L: 1/2/0
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 14:14:36 GMT
We would have been found out further along the line. That squad was being held together by Fergie's drive and the excellent Van Persie. The season before we were absolutely rank and got knocked out of an easy CL group and were outclassed by Bilbao in the Europa. We've been on the decline since we sold Ronaldo and allowed a great team to plunder because of inadequate investment. A EL trophy and the last 16 is our current level. The much lauded City went out at the same stage last season against Monaco Spurs couldn't even get past the first knockout stage of the Europa. City went shopping at Monaco in the summer and addressed their weaknesses. We have to do the same. No more contract extensions for players like Valencia, Young, Rojo, Jones, Fellani etc. Jose needs to work out Sanchez's best position. We have to persevere with him because it sends out a bad signal to potential new signings, if you don't hit the ground running you're on your bike. I like Martial but he needs to be more consistent, same with Rashford. Christ knows what's happened with Pogba. Good post, but I know what happened with these two. They get played out of position or get benched after they play well so we can accommodate a needless new toy. I would be extremely disappointed if we "shopped at Monaco" before giving TFM and Tuanzebe a fair crack at first team football. It worked very well with Rashford and Lingard, and to an extent with McTominay. Yeah I'd like to see both these defenders get a fair crack next season. Everton are supposedly interested in Jones and Rojo is haggling over a new contract. Should we be busting a gut to keep either of them really? Rashford was out of form despite the Liverpool game and someone needs to take him off free kicks. Martial should start over Lingard and Rashford. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Mar 14, 2018 14:30:41 GMT
If Sanchez really is undroppable, can we at least play him on the right so Rashford and Martial can have chances to impress on the left?
It's not just that Sanchez has been poor, but that he's also getting in the way of real opportunities for others. At least if we stick him on the right, or at #10 if we play one, he's not really in anyone else's way (maybe Mata and Lingard, but they both prefer #10 and have also been played in a midfield 3 so there should still be roles for them).
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Post by Bestie on Mar 14, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
If Sanchez really is undroppable, can we at least play him on the right so Rashford and Martial can have chances to impress on the left? It's not just that Sanchez has been poor, but that he's also getting in the way of real opportunities for others. At least if we stick him on the right, or at #10 if we play one, he's not really in anyone else's way (maybe Mata and Lingard, but they both prefer #10 and have also been played in a midfield 3 so there should still be roles for them). Play him up front in a 4-4-2. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 14, 2018 14:40:11 GMT
If Sanchez really is undroppable, can we at least play him on the right so Rashford and Martial can have chances to impress on the left? It's not just that Sanchez has been poor, but that he's also getting in the way of real opportunities for others. At least if we stick him on the right, or at #10 if we play one, he's not really in anyone else's way (maybe Mata and Lingard, but they both prefer #10 and have also been played in a midfield 3 so there should still be roles for them). Mata is another one who I don't really know his best position. Theres too much square pegs and round holes going on . We certainly don't need any more forwards in summer for sure. |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 14, 2018 14:46:47 GMT
I got it from this: As if we were good before he showed up. You have also been hyper-critical of him constantly since he signed. Possibly warranted to an extent. Just don't think that Sanchez being out of form is our most pressing issue. I'm more comfortable with Sanchez being a nailed on regardless of form starter than Fellaini. At least Sanchez might do something good. I just think you were taking what I said out of context. My apologies for biting back, but the post was in response to a particular thread on double standards re players who Mourinho backs and won't drop. I couldn't agree more that we have more issues than just Sanchez Cool man. We're all a bit tetchy right now. My bad! |
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Post by cantonaisgod on Mar 14, 2018 14:55:06 GMT
Just watched the match again still cant believe the pace and tempo was so slow and ponderous. Sod knows what jose was thinking having 2 sitting MF against seville. Cant work out why rash was on the right unless it was to negate corrella (sp) who looked like their most dangerous player in the first leg. Fellaini should never have started its not like seville are a tall team and are dangerous at corners or set pieces. All we needed to do was attack with pace they wouldnt have lived with us. So so pissed off with last night. The fist half against the dippers was proof that we can play the right way if we are allowed but fuck me jose this was a chance to go thru to a 1/4 final in the champions league. To posdibly play against whoever and give a good account of ourselves and with a little bit of luck to progress to a semi. The last few yrs have been wank regarding our style and negative footy. I am pretty sure top 4 is safe for us now so why not play with aggession and attack more. OT was quiet ladt night down to one reason your shit negative tactics.
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Post by Stew on Mar 14, 2018 15:15:48 GMT
Correra their winger is a really good player. Liked him in both games.
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Post by _ on Mar 14, 2018 15:29:58 GMT
Correra their winger is a really good player. Liked him in both games. Wissam Ben Yedder made a big difference obviously. He was the second highest scorer so far in this next to Ronaldo. They must have had the plan to hold us and bring him on, because before he came on they were toothless up front |
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Post by smithy2 on Mar 14, 2018 16:14:50 GMT
Coming back to this thread feels like returning to the scene of the crime.
The most depressing thing today is just the feeling that the seasons over. Top 4 all but secured, out of Europe and yes we’re still in the FA cup but it all feels a bit empty. Was really looking forward to drawing one of the big boys again
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Post by Stew on Mar 14, 2018 16:17:05 GMT
Coming back to this thread feels like returning to the scene of the crime. The most depressing thing today is just the feeling that the seasons over. Top 4 all but secured, out of Europe and yes we’re still in the FA cup but it all feels a bit empty. Was really looking forward to drawing one of the big boys again Yes. I said previously that we were long shots to win it but a good run was important for prestige, morale and the development of the team. That all went to shite but we deserved nothing. We were pathetic in both legs, a shameful display from a Utd team. We’re a million miles away from being one of the big boys again. |
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