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Post by Karma on Dec 27, 2018 21:56:55 GMT
In other news (ESPN) Allegri has indicated he would be open to a move to the PL!
So where would he go?
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 27, 2018 22:03:03 GMT
If he overachieves I think they will go for it ! I think they should have a plan but we know how these gimps work by now. What if the plan is Poch but it doesn't happen for whatever reason? Who is their plan B? Ole could tick all the boxes. No contract buy out- well nothing like Poch's. Fans, ex players on side. Less focus on their incompetence which finally the press are discussing. i understand the need for a Plan B, and i recognise that if Ole does well he would be a logical Plan B option. I just cant help but feel he needs a moment of separation to truly be seen as the permanent Boss, and not someone who the players will see as a stop-gap feel-good temp teacher. |
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Post by RAZ on Dec 27, 2018 22:10:51 GMT
In other news (ESPN) Allegri has indicated he would be open to a move to the PL! So where would he go? would be my first choice |
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Post by geo on Dec 27, 2018 22:30:23 GMT
If he overachieves I think they will go for it ! I think they should have a plan but we know how these gimps work by now. What if the plan is Poch but it doesn't happen for whatever reason? Who is their plan B? Ole could tick all the boxes. No contract buy out- well nothing like Poch's. Fans, ex players on side. Less focus on their incompetence which finally the press are discussing.  8 million actually |
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Post by geo on Dec 27, 2018 22:33:31 GMT
If he overachieves I think they will go for it ! I think they should have a plan but we know how these gimps work by now. What if the plan is Poch but it doesn't happen for whatever reason? Who is their plan B? Ole could tick all the boxes. No contract buy out- well nothing like Poch's. Fans, ex players on side. Less focus on their incompetence which finally the press are discussing. i understand the need for a Plan B, and i recognise that if Ole does well he would be a logical Plan B option. I just cant help but feel he needs a moment of separation to truly be seen as the permanent Boss, and not someone who the players will see as a stop-gap feel-good temp teacher. To be honest, I consider some of your posts in this thread to be an insult to a United legend who is presently doing what no other has managed to do since Fergie retired. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 27, 2018 23:29:09 GMT
In other news (ESPN) Allegri has indicated he would be open to a move to the PL! So where would he go? would be my first choice Mine too! |
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Post by weetomsligaments on Dec 28, 2018 0:45:27 GMT
If United finish top 4 and beat PSG, they will give the job to OGS. After all, its a results business and he will have acheived what Mourinho did - minus the Europa - from back in the pack.
And if OGS can keep Pogba while trimming the dross ... no reason for him NOT to be in charge.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 28, 2018 3:18:13 GMT
The romantic in me wants Ole to some how beat the cynics and get the job. How many times were we told that Sir Alex was passed it and loved the way he proved everyone wrong? I would love for Ole to do the same.
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Post by . on Dec 28, 2018 5:04:03 GMT
two things on this from me: 1) it shouldn't be Ole, no matter how good he does. Ole is a temp manager, out of respect for his current club facilitating this arrangement and out of concern for Ole's legacy i think it's best this stint only be temporary. If He does well then his legacy will only be further enhanced and he will most likely be the first person we call on should the eventual permanent manager be a failure. Should his tenure go not as planned, then he has at least improved the mood, reset the club for the next manager and can argue the current season's failures were due to The Moody One. Either way i think his best bet at being a successful long term candidate needs a moment of separation in the short term and for the playing staff to recognize him a permanent manager from the off. i can hardly remember a scenario where a temp manager is appointed full time and it works out for more than a season or two. 2) the club NEEDS to have a plan and stick to it. If we say we want a DoF and a permanent manager to be appointed at the end of the summer and have appointed Ole as a Temp, then it should be clear that Ole isn't being considered as the permanent manager or else surely they would have just appointed him as such. if Ole does well and we in turn appoint him, that would signal to me that we didnt really have a plan in the first place, and are still just winging it. what i want to see is decisive moves that have some clear thought behind them, not knee jerk reactions to a purple patch. i wish Ole all the best, and sincerely hope he exceeds all expectations. that way he can go back home with an improved CV and continue to work on his craft, and we will be in the best position for the next candidate to take us on. if that person cant manage it, then by all means bring Ole back and give him a full crack at the job, with all the financial support that entails. I for one know the supporters will welcome him back with open arms, and most likely the players would remember him fondly as the one who gave them back the joy of attacking football following THAT shit show. I get what you're saying, but let's hypothetically say with Ole we win all our remaining matches in all competitions. Obviously we'd sign him long term. Let's say we finish 2nd in the league and lose the CL final = still sign him. At what point will his results cease to matter? I'd say getting us to finish top 4 and making it to the next round of the CL would be enough, because Ole is not starting with his players and a full pre-season and a clean slate; he's picking up the steaming mess that Jose dropped. We will probably not have to worry about the CL much longer this season anyway, but come summer we will have some results to know how prepared Ole is for the job. Maybe he gets found out in the CL, maybe we get an absolute roasting next time we play Spurs, and the new-manager sparkle fades. |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 28, 2018 7:43:30 GMT
I would assume that if Ole gets us a CL qualification for next season he'll have a real shot at staying in charge past June. CL + trophy (FA cup most likely) with key figures in the squad responding positively to him and I'd bet he gets it.
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Post by stilgar on Dec 28, 2018 11:11:01 GMT
i understand the need for a Plan B, and i recognise that if Ole does well he would be a logical Plan B option. I just cant help but feel he needs a moment of separation to truly be seen as the permanent Boss, and not someone who the players will see as a stop-gap feel-good temp teacher. I believe he can't get good enough results by being just a feel-good temp teacher. To be able to bring the team into the top 4 and go far enough in the FA cup and the CL to be considered for the permanent job he must show his tough side too. So I don't think it's a concern.
My problem lies elsewhere. If Ole will be that good, he will be that good in the old structure of the club. There is no DoF above him and he is the main football guy in the club for the next half year. If the board want to appoint a strong DoF with his own ideas and the same time they want to keep Ole as manager, who by that time proved that he is a strong enough personality with his own ideas, there can be a problem between the two strong guys.
Of course they might be able to work together but the safest bet would be to appoint someone in a weaker Head of Recruitment and Player Development position who works alongside/below the manager and helps him realize his ideas and maybe works as a go-between for the manager and the board. In this case if Ole wouldn't work out in the long run, which is surely different than the caretaker job, the club would find itself again in the same situation, without a modern structure and without the long term vision/direction.
It would be a good problem to have but it would be a problem nonetheless.
In my opinion the best solution would be to appoint a strong DoF above the managerial position regardless of Ole's results and let him sort out this problem. It would be his job after all. If he can work together with Ole and he decides that he is the man for the job I would be very happy. If he thinks he can work better with someone else and the club benefits from some other manager it would be good enough for me.
Of course we still don't know if the board seriously considered the appointing of a good strong DoF or they want a weaker DoF in the first place or the whole thing is just for appearance.
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Post by Bestie on Dec 28, 2018 13:35:14 GMT
Di Matteo won the European Cup with Chelsea.
That's all I'm going to say.
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 28, 2018 14:33:03 GMT
i understand the need for a Plan B, and i recognise that if Ole does well he would be a logical Plan B option. I just cant help but feel he needs a moment of separation to truly be seen as the permanent Boss, and not someone who the players will see as a stop-gap feel-good temp teacher. I believe he can't get good enough results by being just a feel-good temp teacher. To be able to bring the team into the top 4 and go far enough in the FA cup and the CL to be considered for the permanent job he must show his tough side too. So I don't think it's a concern. My problem lies elsewhere. If Ole will be that good, he will be that good in the old structure of the club. There is no DoF above him and he is the main football guy in the club for the next half year. If the board want to appoint a strong DoF with his own ideas and the same time they want to keep Ole as manager, who by that time proved that he is a strong enough personality with his own ideas, there can be a problem between the two strong guys. Of course they might be able to work together but the safest bet would be to appoint someone in a weaker Head of Recruitment and Player Development position who works alongside/below the manager and helps him realize his ideas and maybe works as a go-between for the manager and the board. In this case if Ole wouldn't work out in the long run, which is surely different than the caretaker job, the club would find itself again in the same situation, without a modern structure and without the long term vision/direction. It would be a good problem to have but it would be a problem nonetheless. In my opinion the best solution would be to appoint a strong DoF above the managerial position regardless of Ole's results and let him sort out this problem. It would be his job after all. If he can work together with Ole and he decides that he is the man for the job I would be very happy. If he thinks he can work better with someone else and the club benefits from some other manager it would be good enough for me. Of course we still don't know if the board seriously considered the appointing of a good strong DoF or they want a weaker DoF in the first place or the whole thing is just for appearance.
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 28, 2018 14:40:13 GMT
two things on this from me: 1) it shouldn't be Ole, no matter how good he does. Ole is a temp manager, out of respect for his current club facilitating this arrangement and out of concern for Ole's legacy i think it's best this stint only be temporary. If He does well then his legacy will only be further enhanced and he will most likely be the first person we call on should the eventual permanent manager be a failure. Should his tenure go not as planned, then he has at least improved the mood, reset the club for the next manager and can argue the current season's failures were due to The Moody One. Either way i think his best bet at being a successful long term candidate needs a moment of separation in the short term and for the playing staff to recognize him a permanent manager from the off. i can hardly remember a scenario where a temp manager is appointed full time and it works out for more than a season or two. 2) the club NEEDS to have a plan and stick to it. If we say we want a DoF and a permanent manager to be appointed at the end of the summer and have appointed Ole as a Temp, then it should be clear that Ole isn't being considered as the permanent manager or else surely they would have just appointed him as such. if Ole does well and we in turn appoint him, that would signal to me that we didnt really have a plan in the first place, and are still just winging it. what i want to see is decisive moves that have some clear thought behind them, not knee jerk reactions to a purple patch. i wish Ole all the best, and sincerely hope he exceeds all expectations. that way he can go back home with an improved CV and continue to work on his craft, and we will be in the best position for the next candidate to take us on. if that person cant manage it, then by all means bring Ole back and give him a full crack at the job, with all the financial support that entails. I for one know the supporters will welcome him back with open arms, and most likely the players would remember him fondly as the one who gave them back the joy of attacking football following THAT shit show. I get what you're saying, but let's hypothetically say with Ole we win all our remaining matches in all competitions. Obviously we'd sign him long term. Let's say we finish 2nd in the league and lose the CL final = still sign him. At what point will his results cease to matter? I'd say getting us to finish top 4 and making it to the next round of the CL would be enough, because Ole is not starting with his players and a full pre-season and a clean slate; he's picking up the steaming mess that Jose dropped. We will probably not have to worry about the CL much longer this season anyway, but come summer we will have some results to know how prepared Ole is for the job. Maybe he gets found out in the CL, maybe we get an absolute roasting next time we play Spurs, and the new-manager sparkle fades. having written the post, i was thinking on my position last night and I came up on the same dilemma. what is the threshold where i say, "he HAS to keep the job"? winning the league, coming second or winning the Cl is the threshold. If by some miracle he achieves one of those then by all means give him the job permanently. |
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Post by JamBritRed on Dec 28, 2018 14:50:54 GMT
i understand the need for a Plan B, and i recognise that if Ole does well he would be a logical Plan B option. I just cant help but feel he needs a moment of separation to truly be seen as the permanent Boss, and not someone who the players will see as a stop-gap feel-good temp teacher. To be honest, I consider some of your posts in this thread to be an insult to a United legend who is presently doing what no other has managed to do since Fergie retired.   |
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