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Post by Karma on Apr 15, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
At the start of the season winning the lg was the target or atleast putting a real fight in for it, we have failed badly jose was brought in to win the league and thats looks just as likely as when moyes and lvg was in charge, if jose is going to leave at the end of next season so his 3rd season which he normaly does is their any point in keeping him this summer? Moyes was sacked because it was quite obvious early on the board had fecked up big time in his appointment. They wouldn't have gone there without a recommendation from Fergie. He underestimated his capabilities big time. He was given enough rope and he failed, Van Gaal, I think had Jose not been available he might have got a third year but they knew they'd still need a replacement a year later anyway. Both finished out of the top 4 and neither were convincing progress wise FA cup aside. Klopp could have easily been sacked at a bigger club in his first season. I know he started in October but he ended up 8th and lost both cups. There's a lot who would have fired his ass out of the door and shown less patience. Anchellotti got fired for finishing second at Chelsea. Ranieri got fired the season after they won the league at Leicester. Di Matteo got axed the season after a CL and FA cup double. Pool just about scraped 4th last season with no European football. Lets just say there are more pressures to deliver at some clubs than others. Unless we fall out the top 4 I expect the criteria to remain the same for Jose so I think it's highly unlikely he'll be fired at the end of the season. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Apr 15, 2018 19:34:02 GMT
Root and branch reform for next season imho, IF José will bite the bullet, this ponderous,predictable football will not do, unless we’re happy to qualify for the Champions League alone.
Savic ,Dybala,Tierney and Maguire please,play Alexis at number 10, or flog him,like him,but the team’s not been the same since he arrived.
My two penneth!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:35:16 GMT
On another subject, how stupid was that Pogba booking? Did the same against Liverpool last season. Moronic. He was a changed man 8 days ago. Back to usual already. Dodnt even realise he'd been taken off. Needs a fucking wake up call along with a few others. Laughable thing was Fergie had shit for getting rid...now people see why. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:41:29 GMT
Question to ask is would these same group of players perform better under a new manager? Or is it simply that we have too much dead wood in the squad? If not then we're no further forward than we were when Fergie left.
Makes me wonder how many season we're going to use the phrase "transition" before we wake up and realise its just another bullshit excuse to paper over cracks.
Sanchez coming in has screwed things (not Sanchez's faupt he keeps gettijg selected). Its fucked Rashford and Martial about aswell who at the time were in decent form.
This season is dead. We're not beating Spurs at Wembley, I'll be fucking gobsmacked if we get anything from that other than a hiding.
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Post by On a break on Apr 15, 2018 19:44:00 GMT
Shite, apart from De Gea who I wouldn't blame for wanting to leave, utter fucking shite.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Apr 15, 2018 19:48:41 GMT
Question to ask is would these same group of players perform better under a new manager? Or is it simply that we have too much dead wood in the squad? If not then we're no further forward than we were when Fergie left. Makes me wonder how many season we're going to use the phrase "transition" before we wake up and realise its just another bullshit excuse to paper over cracks. Sanchez coming in has screwed things (not Sanchez's faupt he keeps gettijg selected). Its fucked Rashford and Martial about aswell who at the time were in decent form. This season is dead. We're not beating Spurs at Wembley, I'll be fucking gobsmacked if we get anything from that other than a hiding. For Sanchez read Asprilla.Same thing, think we bought him simply to fuck the Bertie’s off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:51:14 GMT
Question to ask is would these same group of players perform better under a new manager? Or is it simply that we have too much dead wood in the squad? If not then we're no further forward than we were when Fergie left. Makes me wonder how many season we're going to use the phrase "transition" before we wake up and realise its just another bullshit excuse to paper over cracks. Sanchez coming in has screwed things (not Sanchez's faupt he keeps gettijg selected). Its fucked Rashford and Martial about aswell who at the time were in decent form. This season is dead. We're not beating Spurs at Wembley, I'll be fucking gobsmacked if we get anything from that other than a hiding. For Sanchez read Asprilla.Same thing, think we bought him simply to fuck the Bertie’s off. Or because the owners saw the cash signs from the shirt sales he'd bring in. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 19:55:58 GMT
The owners provided enough cash for building a team that should see off WBA, Newcastle and Huddersfield.
Liverpool shopped at Hull and Southampton and have their best players leave every season. We should be playing a lot better with what we have.
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Post by Chris on Apr 15, 2018 19:58:54 GMT
The owners provided enough cash for building a team that should see off WBA, Newcastle and Huddersfield. Liverpool shopped at Hull and Southampton and have their best players leave every season. We should be playing a lot better with what we have. Good post. |
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Post by . on Apr 15, 2018 20:07:54 GMT
Thing is when you look at it, we've gone and brought in 3 defensively minded or 'pragmatic' managers in Moyes, Van Bonkers and Jose, since Fergie's departure.
I know there's the 'steadying the ship' argument in Jose's case, which I most probably agreed with.
But on the face of it, would any of European football's bigger clubs have gone down that route of pragmatic, joyless, side-ways passing, soul destroying football?? Can't think of many.
Yes, Moyes was out of his depth, LVG was a loon, and Jose defensively minded.
Really turgid football from the 3 of them, we need a new up and coming manager who plays expansive attacking football. We need to scout one!
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Post by Karma on Apr 15, 2018 20:27:56 GMT
Root and branch reform for next season imho, IF José will bite the bullet, this ponderous,predictable football will not do, unless we’re happy to qualify for the Champions League alone. Savic ,Dybala,Tierney and Maguire please,play Alexis at number 10, or flog him,like him,but the team’s not been the same since he arrived. My two penneth! I wouldn't touch McGuire with a barge pole, the other three I agree with. Tierney is definitely a gamble I'd like to take, let she face it he can't be any worse than what we have now can he? |
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Post by Karma on Apr 15, 2018 20:35:44 GMT
Thing is when you look at it, we've gone and brought in 3 defensively minded or 'pragmatic' managers in Moyes, Van Bonkers and Jose, since Fergie's departure. I know there's the 'steadying the ship' argument in Jose's case, which I most probably agreed with. But on the face of it, would any of European football's bigger clubs have gone down that route of pragmatic, joyless, side-ways passing, soul destroying football?? Can't think of many. Yes, Moyes was out of his depth, LVG was a loon, and Jose defensively minded. Really turgid football from the 3 of them, we need a new up and coming manager who plays expansive attacking football. We need to scout one! I actually quite liked the loon, football aside. I didn't like "my captain shall always play though" . Relying on Rooney fecked him over all right when it was clear to most he was finished. What is most frustrating about today is the result last week, the good results against big teams and the comeback against Palace , then you go to Huddersfield, get beat by West Brom and Newcastle. We're turning into the Scouse of old. Brom drew at Anfield and knocked Pool out of the FA cup. You never underestimate any team. They are still fecking getting relegated today aside. I wonder if the city result last night made their heads drop? Spurs on a very good run with an excellent home record were favourites yesterday after City's shit week. |
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Post by juanveron on Apr 15, 2018 20:44:33 GMT
The common denominator since Fergie retired is Woodward. Before talking about sacking Jose we must have someone overseeing the implementation of a long term football plan for the club. Real, Barca and Bayern all change managers very frequently and maintain a high level of domestic and European success, clearly our operational model post-Fergie is very flawed.
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Post by . on Apr 15, 2018 20:52:17 GMT
Just sitting here, thinking to myself...
I knew we were going to be in a bit of bother when Fergie departed, but I never thought we would be 3 managers in, with essentially mundane, predictable, crass football to endure most weeks.
Thought if we went down, we'd go down fighting, having a go, even that hasn't happened, when it has it's been welcome but been a rarity.
Can understand those expecting Jose to stay on next season but if we don't win the FA Cup, he's going to be under a shit-load of pressure.
Fans aren't going to put up with it, regardless of contracts. Also, they're certainly not going to put up with a similar style of mundane football next season.
I've had enough of it. Right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 21:03:04 GMT
How did we lose to West Brom?
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