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Post by Karma on May 11, 2018 10:04:05 GMT
the transfers have been good, why are we debating it, we have signed young talented players with room to become great. the issue is the outdated manager who is handling these modern day players. whether we like it or not players mentally have changed and like with anything in this world that gets success you have to adapt to your environment in the best way possible, Jose absolutely refuses to change. We won't get anywhere further with this guy. Modern day players? What the ones who sulk when they get called out for half arsed performances? Or go running to the press because they didn't get picked to start a game? Those ones? Ever since Fergie left we've been protecting players, the majority of whom have done little to justify it. 3rd manager in now, same old shite. |
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Post by caino on May 11, 2018 10:05:47 GMT
way I see it..
football is an entertainment sport. its for entertainment. whats the point in watching in your not being entertained? I started supporting Man Utd because I was young and loved the players they had and they entertained me. I had no influence from a father etc to say support this team etc.
now its a chore having to watch them and a waste of time. we get a couple of good games a season where we can actually cheer and get a buzz from, but does it outweigh the dross football we have to endure in between ?
fair enough we are still winning trophies, but we should be! we spend a shit load and have a huge fan base (because of how entertaining we were).
barce, Madrid, munich and keep winning trophies but stay entertaining for their fans.
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Post by Karma on May 11, 2018 10:17:35 GMT
way I see it.. football is an entertainment sport. its for entertainment. whats the point in watching in your not being entertained? I started supporting Man Utd because I was young and loved the players they had and they entertained me. I had no influence from a father etc to say support this team etc. now its a chore having to watch them and a waste of time. we get a couple of good games a season where we can actually cheer and get a buzz from, but does it outweigh the dross football we have to endure in between ? fair enough we are still winning trophies, but we should be! we spend a shit load and have a huge fan base (because of how entertaining we were). barce, Madrid, munich and keep winning trophies but stay entertaining for their fans. Well considering Moyes was deemed a suitable replacement for Fergie I don't think entertainment was a priority when it comes to the owners. While the money keeps rolling in the boxes are being ticked. I couldn't care less how much we spend either considering the way a great team was allowed to go to seed due to debt repayments. |
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Post by Bestie on May 11, 2018 10:21:43 GMT
Its mad how we can go from 6th to 2nd and we are all (rightly) complaining! I'm not. It's not great football granted but it's a definite improvement from 7th,4th, 5th and 6th. We've been playing functional football since Fergie left. Chuck in some trophies in to lighten the mood. We need to get the transfers bang on this summer though. We have been playing functional football since before Fergie left. That's on the Glazers. It's just now we aren't challenging for major trophies to cover it. Except we're actually spending now, so the football should at least be good again. the transfers have been good, why are we debating it, we have signed young talented players with room to become great. the issue is the outdated manager who is handling these modern day players. whether we like it or not players mentally have changed and like with anything in this world that gets success you have to adapt to your environment in the best way possible, Jose absolutely refuses to change. We won't get anywhere further with this guy. Modern day players? What the ones who sulk when they get called out for half arsed performances? Or go running to the press because they didn't get picked to start a game? Those ones? Ever since Fergie left we've been protecting players, the majority of whom have done little to justify it. 3rd manager in now, same old shite. Except Shaw was excellent at Southampton and the start of the season before he broke his leg, fitness issues notwithstanding. Pogba should have been in our first team long before he ever left, and had been superb for Juventus after leaving. Martial had a fantastic debut season and has only dropped in form since Mourinho rocked up. Ditto Rashford. Herrera was our best player last season then frozen out at the beginning of this, over bringing his mate to training in a tie we won and should have been winning even if we had given the other team an advance copy of our teamsheet and gameplan. Mata has been relegated to fringe player. Bailly has regressed. Why should they have any trust in this manager, to not feel it's rank hypocrisy of the manager to complain about performances when he clearly doesn't give a shit about addressing his own glaring failings? Who has gone running to the press when they weren't picked? |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on May 11, 2018 10:38:35 GMT
There's a huge amount of emotion surrounding Jose at the moment, and rightly so in my view - we do expect more.
But objectively, there's progress - at least the most we've seen since Sir Alex.
He'll get another year, so there's not much use in complaining.
I just hope we don't lose Martial as a result, confident Rashford will stay and it's largely media hype.
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Post by Bestie on May 11, 2018 10:42:14 GMT
There's a huge amount of emotion surrounding Jose at the moment, and rightly so in my view - we do expect more. But objectively, there's progress - at least the most we've seen since Sir Alex. He'll get another year, so there's not much use in complaining. I just hope we don't lose Martial as a result, confident Rashford will stay and it's largely media hype. That looks nailed on. Shaw too, unfortunately. |
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Post by Stew1980 on May 11, 2018 10:53:06 GMT
It's Merson, but still...
Certain Manchester United players look terrified of Jose Mourinho and will not be sad to leave Old Trafford in the summer, says Paul Merson.
United secured the Premier League runners-up spot but were uninspiring as West Ham held them to a 0-0 draw at the London Stadium.
United's toothless makeshift attack found life difficult against a generally organised West Ham back three, as they failed to score in back-to-back games for the first time since March 2016.
Mourinho made eight changes for the game in order to breathe some life into their attacking play but it failed to spark them into life.
Merson wasn't impressed with their performance and noticed something about the players' attitude.
"Every time a Manchester United player misses a chance they always run back and look at Mourinho in the dugout - they look petrified," he said on The Debate.
"You watch Manchester City, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool play - and sometimes Arsenal - and you can see the patterns of their attacking play.
"It looks like there is a plan. It's different at Manchester United - everyone is standing still, everyone just passes the ball - there is no movement. I think the players are petrified."
Mourinho has admitted that his squad needs improvement in the off-season both in terms of quality but also from within in terms of mentality.
This should result in plenty of transfer activity over the summer at Old Trafford and Merson thinks some of those being shipped out won't be shedding many tears.
"If a player gets sold in summer, they wouldn't leave Manchester United crying," he said.
"A lot of them look like they don't enjoy their football."
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Post by Stew1980 on May 11, 2018 11:12:32 GMT
Jose Mourinho has indicated he will not hand debuts to any Manchester United youngsters in their final Premier League game of the season against Watford.
United's drab draw with West Ham on Thursday night secured a runners-up finish in the league and Mourinho will make at least seven changes for the visit of Watford on Sunday.
United face Chelsea in the FA Cup final on Saturday week and ahead of last year's Europa League final Mourinho handed full debuts to Joel Pereira, Demetri Mitchell and Josh Harrop in the last league fixture against Crystal Palace, while Angel Gomes emerged for his career bow.
Tahith Chong succeeded Gomes as the Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year last week and Ethan Hamilton was promoted to the first-team squad for the FA Cup tie at Huddersfield in February. However, Mourinho is set to field a senior side at Old Trafford this weekend.
"No," Mourinho replied when asked if he would select any rookies. "I play some players that didn't play today, I play Romero, I play Daley Blind, I play Eric Bailly, I play Rashford, I play Martial, I play Mata.
"I have every player apart from Fellaini and Lukaku available and I don't go to the young players."
Michael Carrick will skipper United in what is certain to be his 464th and final appearance for the club against the Hornets. Mourinho suggested the 36-year-old would not complete the full 90 minutes but promised Carrick would earn a fitting farewell.
"Carrick was decided," Mourinho added. "So if today we lose a match and we need the point against Watford I would play Carrick the same.
"He's going to start the match as captain, he is not going to end the match because I want him to leave that pitch alone and I want him to feel what the Manchester United supporters feel in relation to him.
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Post by Stew1980 on May 11, 2018 11:14:10 GMT
To be fair, it doesn't mean any of the young lads won't make the bench and get on at some point. Probably won't though.
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Post by Karma on May 11, 2018 11:26:21 GMT
It's Merson, but still... Certain Manchester United players look terrified of Jose Mourinho and will not be sad to leave Old Trafford in the summer, says Paul Merson. United secured the Premier League runners-up spot but were uninspiring as West Ham held them to a 0-0 draw at the London Stadium. United's toothless makeshift attack found life difficult against a generally organised West Ham back three, as they failed to score in back-to-back games for the first time since March 2016. Mourinho made eight changes for the game in order to breathe some life into their attacking play but it failed to spark them into life. Merson wasn't impressed with their performance and noticed something about the players' attitude. "Every time a Manchester United player misses a chance they always run back and look at Mourinho in the dugout - they look petrified," he said on The Debate. "You watch Manchester City, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool play - and sometimes Arsenal - and you can see the patterns of their attacking play. "It looks like there is a plan. It's different at Manchester United - everyone is standing still, everyone just passes the ball - there is no movement. I think the players are petrified." Mourinho has admitted that his squad needs improvement in the off-season both in terms of quality but also from within in terms of mentality. This should result in plenty of transfer activity over the summer at Old Trafford and Merson thinks some of those being shipped out won't be shedding many tears. "If a player gets sold in summer, they wouldn't leave Manchester United crying," he said. "A lot of them look like they don't enjoy their football." Merson predicted a 4th place finish for us, he doesn't know shit. There may be some of his argument which holds true but he's generally just like all the other members of the SSS bozos old boys club imo. Bad enough we've got Dwight 'give the job to Giggs' prior to LVG's appointment York chipping in who actually thought Jose was too old to manage us. I'm sure Google will back it up if you search. A good job some big clubs didn't think age was a barrier eh when choosing managers? What next pearls of Wisdom from Rednapp. I'm still waiting for his thoughts on John Stones needing to move on because he can't get a game. |
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Post by Stew1980 on May 11, 2018 11:30:12 GMT
It's Merson, but still... Certain Manchester United players look terrified of Jose Mourinho and will not be sad to leave Old Trafford in the summer, says Paul Merson. United secured the Premier League runners-up spot but were uninspiring as West Ham held them to a 0-0 draw at the London Stadium. United's toothless makeshift attack found life difficult against a generally organised West Ham back three, as they failed to score in back-to-back games for the first time since March 2016. Mourinho made eight changes for the game in order to breathe some life into their attacking play but it failed to spark them into life. Merson wasn't impressed with their performance and noticed something about the players' attitude. "Every time a Manchester United player misses a chance they always run back and look at Mourinho in the dugout - they look petrified," he said on The Debate. "You watch Manchester City, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool play - and sometimes Arsenal - and you can see the patterns of their attacking play. "It looks like there is a plan. It's different at Manchester United - everyone is standing still, everyone just passes the ball - there is no movement. I think the players are petrified." Mourinho has admitted that his squad needs improvement in the off-season both in terms of quality but also from within in terms of mentality. This should result in plenty of transfer activity over the summer at Old Trafford and Merson thinks some of those being shipped out won't be shedding many tears. "If a player gets sold in summer, they wouldn't leave Manchester United crying," he said. "A lot of them look like they don't enjoy their football."
There may be some of his argument which holds true but he's generally just like all the other members of the SSS bozos old boys club imo.
Bad enough we've got Dwight 'give the job to Giggs' prior to LVG's appointment York chipping in who actually thought Jose was too old to manage us. I'm sure Google will back it up if you search. A good job some big clubs didn't think age was a barrier eh when choosing managers?
What next pearls of Wisdom from Rednapp. I'm still waiting for his thoughts on John Stones needing to move on because he can't get a game.None of that has any relation to what I just posted. Do the players look like they're enjoying their football or not? Your powers of deflection are fast becoming an art-form |
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Post by Karma on May 11, 2018 11:46:28 GMT
Merson predicted a 4th place finish for us, he doesn't know shit.
There may be some of his argument which holds true but he's generally just like all the other members of the SSS bozos old boys club imo.
Bad enough we've got Dwight 'give the job to Giggs' prior to LVG's appointment York chipping in who actually thought Jose was too old to manage us. I'm sure Google will back it up if you search. A good job some big clubs didn't think age was a barrier eh when choosing managers?
What next pearls of Wisdom from Rednapp. I'm still waiting for his thoughts on John Stones needing to move on because he can't get a game. None of that has any relation to what I just posted. Do the players look like they're enjoying their football or not? Your powers of deflection are fast becoming an art-form You are using Paul Merson to back up your argument. Maybe someone who doesn't look like he's been on a bender the night before he gives his twopenneth on SS may give him more credibility ? Oh and where's the deflection, I'm suggesting he's talking shite. No doubt deflection is one of your many go to stock buzzwords when you don't agree with me. |
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Post by Stew1980 on May 11, 2018 11:50:13 GMT
None of that has any relation to what I just posted. Do the players look like they're enjoying their football or not? Your powers of deflection are fast becoming an art-form You are using Paul Merson to back up your argument. Maybe someone who doesn't look like he's been on a bender the night before he gives his twopenneth on SS may give him more credibility ? Oh and where's the deflection, I'm suggesting he's talking shite. No doubt deflection is one of your many go to stock buzzwords when you don't agree with me. Watch, for context... www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2018/05/10/the-debate-10th-may-2018/He agrees with many of the points you always make, or is that all bullshit too? The deflection is bringing fucking Harry Redknapp, Dwight Yorke, John Stones, LVG and the fucking Age of managers into it. Fuck me. |
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Post by mightyez on May 11, 2018 13:44:48 GMT
the transfers have been good, why are we debating it, we have signed young talented players with room to become great. the issue is the outdated manager who is handling these modern day players. whether we like it or not players mentally have changed and like with anything in this world that gets success you have to adapt to your environment in the best way possible, Jose absolutely refuses to change. We won't get anywhere further with this guy. Modern day players? What the ones who sulk when they get called out for half arsed performances? Or go running to the press because they didn't get picked to start a game? Those ones? Ever since Fergie left we've been protecting players, the majority of whom have done little to justify it. 3rd manager in now, same old shite. i don't disagree for one minute they are protected however to decide your gonna call them out all the time and not adapt is just plain silly, its a recipe for disaster. Jose is not fergie, more importantly we aren't the force we were. There is major competition for trophies and wages. Pampering them isn't the answer, there has to be a balance and i don't think Jose has that. |
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Post by WhatsTheMata on May 11, 2018 14:26:36 GMT
the transfers have been good, why are we debating it, we have signed young talented players with room to become great. the issue is the outdated manager who is handling these modern day players. whether we like it or not players mentally have changed and like with anything in this world that gets success you have to adapt to your environment in the best way possible, Jose absolutely refuses to change. We won't get anywhere further with this guy. Modern day players? What the ones who sulk when they get called out for half arsed performances? Or go running to the press because they didn't get picked to start a game? Those ones? Ever since Fergie left we've been protecting players, the majority of whom have done little to justify it. 3rd manager in now, same old shite. Please. Spare us. Just program a bot to say "automatic message: Mourinho is blameless and it's all on the players" It's impossible to have an argument with you. If you want to settle for pragmatic football, just get Big Sam for the job. Remember Atkinson, since you are the one who's averse to modern day stuff? Atkinson said football should be an entertaining competition. We are not really competitive as we saw vs Sevilla and we are not entertaining. You're too hooked up on the argument that those players did nothing to warrant a place on the squad but when there is a collective failure, you should know it's about the coach too. Mourinho signed a large fraction of the players who work under him now, he's not obliged to work with them. And even if he was, it's the manager's job to bring the best of the player. Are they blameless? Of course not and they shall share part of the blame. However, you come here and you slag them empirically, deflect arguments and fuck off to say the same thing over and over again. |
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