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Post by Karma on Nov 15, 2018 9:32:07 GMT
That would be a sad day in the history of the club Look at the state of those slugs. No doubt some money hungry bint will still go there. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 15, 2018 9:34:05 GMT
The Saudis are probably the only realistic option to get rid of the gimps, especially with the 4bn price tag, so it's either have the leeches in charge, or have somebody in charge who doesn't care about money and will hopefully out the club's success first.
All depends whether you can live with the Saudis owning this club
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Post by Karma on Nov 15, 2018 9:37:43 GMT
The Saudis are probably the only realistic option to get rid of the gimps, especially with the 4bn price tag, so it's either have the leeches in charge, or have somebody in charge who doesn't care about money and will hopefully out the club's success first. All depends whether you can live with the Saudis owning this club Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity? |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 15, 2018 9:46:55 GMT
I was reading Inverting the pyramid by Jonathan Wilson , it was amazing how visionary people with intelligence and ideas about the game could really turn up at clubs and change the fortunes of teams and clubs and even football style of countries. Guys like Maslov , Arrigo sachi , Cryuff was amazing ! Money has changed the landscape so much , is it possible now for any club to really build themselves up into a really big club without oil money. At best they will have 1 or 2 good season before being stripped bare again and forced to start from scratch,Like monaco or dortmund. Its sad really. The big teams in football are now almost set in stone and there is no real way anyone else stands a chance , unless they win lottery like city or PSG Leicester won the league only a couple of seasons ago. Nothing like that happened since 1995. Not saying this wasn't a freak, but it also was before football turned Arab.
Fortunately, we follow a club which doesn't have to go down that road. What keeping us from competing are professional mistakes rather than inability to rise to the challenge of the oil clubs.
I was not particularly talking about United there , just kind of thinking aloud on a general point. My point was that nowadays clubs just cant break the ceiling no matter how well they manage themselves , yes may be one season of success but nothing sustainable can be built without serious money. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Nov 15, 2018 10:00:45 GMT
I was reading Inverting the pyramid by Jonathan Wilson , it was amazing how visionary people with intelligence and ideas about the game could really turn up at clubs and change the fortunes of teams and clubs and even football style of countries. Guys like Maslov , Arrigo sachi , Cryuff was amazing ! Money has changed the landscape so much , is it possible now for any club to really build themselves up into a really big club without oil money. At best they will have 1 or 2 good season before being stripped bare again and forced to start from scratch,Like monaco or dortmund. Its sad really. The big teams in football are now almost set in stone and there is no real way anyone else stands a chance , unless they win lottery like city or PSG The best football book there is. I recommend The Mixer by Michael Cox as a follow-on that focuses solely on the Premier League. Great book indeed , to take up the strands of game's evolution from Europe , soviet union and south america and giving the reader a complete picture is nothing short of fantastic. I picked it up after stewart (I think it was him !) recommended it in one of the threads here. Will be getting 'The Mixer' also |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 15, 2018 10:01:02 GMT
The Saudis are probably the only realistic option to get rid of the gimps, especially with the 4bn price tag, so it's either have the leeches in charge, or have somebody in charge who doesn't care about money and will hopefully out the club's success first. All depends whether you can live with the Saudis owning this club Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity? Someone get Bezos on the phone. |
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Post by imat16 on Nov 15, 2018 10:18:04 GMT
The club's problems have little to do with spending less that City but just incompetence at all levels of management. Since Ferguson retired only City, Barcelona and PSG have spent more than us on players and on net spend we are just behind City. However we appointed the wrong people at critical times and spent hugely on poor or ill suited players e.g Liverpool spent 37 million pounds on Salah the same summer we splashed 75 million on Lukaku. Mourinho doesn't want to play 3/4 of the players we signed at his recommendation and is somehow still in a job in a season we have had one of our worst starts in living memory. The Glazers are leaches of the highest order but they could solve a lot of our problems by removing Woodward from football operations and bringing in someone competent. If you look at clubs like Juve, Bayern, Atletico and Spurs, to a lesser extent, they show how a lot can be achieved through smart management from the top.
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Post by kstandhand on Nov 15, 2018 10:20:31 GMT
I was reading Inverting the pyramid by Jonathan Wilson , it was amazing how visionary people with intelligence and ideas about the game could really turn up at clubs and change the fortunes of teams and clubs and even football style of countries. Guys like Maslov , Arrigo sachi , Cryuff was amazing ! Money has changed the landscape so much , is it possible now for any club to really build themselves up into a really big club without oil money. At best they will have 1 or 2 good season before being stripped bare again and forced to start from scratch,Like monaco or dortmund. Its sad really. The big teams in football are now almost set in stone and there is no real way anyone else stands a chance , unless they win lottery like city or PSG A really good book that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 10:41:46 GMT
Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity? Someone get Bezos on the phone. He saved the expanse |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:03:48 GMT
Leicester won the league only a couple of seasons ago. Nothing like that happened since 1995. Not saying this wasn't a freak, but it also was before football turned Arab.
Fortunately, we follow a club which doesn't have to go down that road. What keeping us from competing are professional mistakes rather than inability to rise to the challenge of the oil clubs.
I was not particularly talking about United there , just kind of thinking aloud on a general point. My point was that nowadays clubs just cant break the ceiling no matter how well they manage themselves , yes may be one season of success but nothing sustainable can be built without serious money.
I agree that sustained success is out of reach for smaller clubs and this is a major concern for the spot as a whole. Closer to home, as we are all a bunch of hypocrites worrying for our own success, I think we are very well placed to remain competitive because of the size of the club. it's not that our opinions count for much because businessmen are not interested in the moral side of things and will sell for the right price but I cannot understand people who wish we were owned by the Saudies so we can make the CL on a regular basis. This was summed up nicely by bushy
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 15, 2018 11:26:43 GMT
The Saudis are probably the only realistic option to get rid of the gimps, especially with the 4bn price tag, so it's either have the leeches in charge, or have somebody in charge who doesn't care about money and will hopefully out the club's success first. All depends whether you can live with the Saudis owning this club Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity? Would you want that type of business owning us? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:43:18 GMT
Dont worry guys, I can match the 4billion price tag when I save 4billion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:44:29 GMT
If the Saudi's buy us will the woman's team need to be covering up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 11:56:35 GMT
The Saudis are probably the only realistic option to get rid of the gimps, especially with the 4bn price tag, so it's either have the leeches in charge, or have somebody in charge who doesn't care about money and will hopefully out the club's success first. All depends whether you can live with the Saudis owning this club Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity?
If we pulled out of the PL collective TV deal they might. Live games through the internet is where it's at.
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Post by ratbag on Nov 15, 2018 12:09:40 GMT
Amazon, Google or Apple? None of those wealthy buggers want to show us some charity? If we pulled out of the PL collective TV deal they might. Live games through the internet is where it's at.
Just more money for the gimps... They don't give a toss about winning so long as the sponsorship doesn't dry up... We are still (at the moment) massively popular worldwide so we would make a lot from our own TV deal but if we do not win stuff, that popularity will dwindle...many overseas fans are quite fickle...I have met quite a few...for instance, many fans in Nigeria will follow a team that plays Nigerians players and will change teams if the player does... Others just follow successful teams... So if we qualify for CL, the drain will be slower and the gimps will still be able to drain our cash for many years... But as fans we want to win stuff...the two can be mutually exclusive... |
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