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Post by smithy2 on Sept 22, 2018 19:42:33 GMT
Pogba was Pogba. Some great raking passes, beautiful assist for Fred. Spent the rest of the time throwing his hands in the air when he got tackled, and lost the ball leading to their goal by doing his wanky foot over the ball thing/trying to hold someone off, rather than play the simple pass for us to attack Even more annoying after what we witnessed in the World Cup. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 22, 2018 21:36:58 GMT
What a fucking waste Sanchez has been. If we can find a club that will take him on then he needs to be sold in January. Shit game and shit result.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 21:48:56 GMT
What a fucking waste Sanchez has been. If we can find a club that will take him on then he needs to be sold in January. Shit game and shit result. He has been wank everywhere he has been tried and we don’t have a RW. Is there anything in his contract that prevents us from using him there where everyone expected him to play when he signed for us? |
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Post by Karma on Sept 22, 2018 22:20:44 GMT
You trust him to make the next appointment and get it right? I've seen very little evidence so far he has a fucking clue...commercial side apart. I trust Ed as far as I could drop-kick him. Drop kicking is too good for the great steaming turd. |
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 22, 2018 22:31:03 GMT
Surprised to see Pogba get any criticism, remember, you just have to show people that goal from the other night and apparently that automatically ends any dispute regarding him.
He's a luxury player in a team that can't afford any luxury players. Been saying for a long time, if we can find a buyer then get rid. Believes his own hype and struts about like Billy Big Bollocks. One or two great moments in a match isn't good enough, you can count on the finger of one hand how many quality 90 minute performances we've had from him.
Lukaku divides opinion, though I'm fucked if I know why. Not top drawer and never will be, ever. Goes missing way too often (hey, anyone else notice he stopped scoring in the World Cup soon as Belgium stopped player the shite and came up against good opposition? Who'd have thought it?!), misses too many chances and all round game is decidedly average. Compare him to the top number 9's around and the difference is laughable. His level was Everton, a team challenging for top 8.
Sanchez is just Rooney, for whatever reason we're cursed to have a former great waddling about in the team, fucking everything up and ruining it for everyone; but whose wages mean that we pretty much have to keep picking him in the vain hope he may just, one day, get back to his best, even though we all know it won't happen. It'll be him for the next 3 seasons before we finally manage to get him packing off to China, and then we'll sign the next one, probably Neymar who'll be hitting 30, probably gotten fat and lazy and past caring and will be on 1 million a week. And so on and so on.
Says everything about the state of modern United that I wasn't actually that disappointed with a draw, at home, to Wolves. Because at least we didn't lose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 22:39:56 GMT
I forgive Jose and the players now. Fellaini come out and said "we must do better" so I feel a lot better now somebody has come.out and said it.
Fucking clown. How many fucking times do these players have to produce the same shit football and come out with the same fucking excuse before something actually gets done to rectify the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 22:42:50 GMT
Only positive ill take from today...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 22:56:35 GMT
Top 4 is looking a battle.
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 2:08:30 GMT
Number of things starting with the manager however for me it’s the quality of team or i should say lack of quality. I don’t care who we bring in after Jose we’re not going to win the title with players like Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Valencia, Sanchez, Martial etc. Lukaku scores some goals but if he doesn’t find the net he’s a waste of number. We’re playing players that fergie bought and we’re playing them out of position, we have players that Moyes brought in etc. I mean i look at Fred and i struggle to think what top European side would play him.
We’re rotten all the way through. Fred was good today. Don't think we've seen enough of him in a United shirt to be able to sell him short like that. I think he's growing into his role. The other stuff, I agree. We are set up ostensibly to drop crosses on Lukaku's head but we can't find him. Mata, Herrera, Valencia are slowing down. Sanchez is a bust. Martial is temperamental but you would be too if they took your shirt number right after you launched a global clothing campaign hinging on it and then stuck you behind the ghost of Sanchez in the lineup. Fellaini, if we play like Everton he turns in good Evertonian performances. We are like Everton when Moyes was in charge - in no danger of winning anything but a good top 10 scrappy side. Zidane, please come now. Zidane won't fix us. The problem goes way beyond the manager. There are 2 trains of thought. 1 Our players are better than what we are seeing on the pitch 2 We have a squad of players the majority of whom aren't very good. I fall somewhere between the two. Just because we have spent a shit load of money on the squad since Fergie left doesn't necessarily mean it was money well spent. DeGea Pogba Matic are top quality, regardless of his frustrating up and down performances Pogba is worthy of his place. Lukaku, Smalling, Shaw, Fred, Martial are in the good category and I would expect the majority to be starting games. Fellani, Lingard, Herrera are good squad players. Arguments can be made either way to any being in the first 11 or not Rashford = needs to start producing soon or he's going down the Danny Welbeck road of excuses being made because he's one of our own. He's been pretty awful and the comes a point where the manager can't be blamed for everything he does wrong. Perreria, Bailly and Sanchez the jury is still out. Time to move on/phase out Rojo, Jones, Darmian, Mata, Young and Valencia. Apologies if I have missed any out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 2:15:55 GMT
If the problem isn't the manager then we shouldn't have sacked Van Gaal.
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Post by Karma on Sept 23, 2018 2:22:50 GMT
If the problem isn't the manager then we shouldn't have sacked Van Gaal. So you think Zidane would fix all our problems ? I have just compiled a long list of which players are good enough. Do you think Zidane would get more out of this squad then? As I said the truth lies somewhere in between our squad not being good enough and what we have should be doing better . This squad is not good enough to claw back those 19 points between us and city. Both Chelsea and Pool have spent big money to try and address their weaknesses. Our manager seems to need to tick our CEOs criteria before the purse is opened. Do you think this will change if Zidane rocks up and starts complaining. Our current manager has won every trophy in the game. Do you think Woodward will show Zidane more respect for some reason ? We are 3 managers in, all three have complained in some shape or form about the management/transfers. How many managers before the penny drops? Who is hiring all these failing managers? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 3:40:25 GMT
If the problem isn't the manager then we shouldn't have sacked Van Gaal. So you think Zidane would fix all our problems ? I have just compiled a long list of which players are good enough. Do you think Zidane would get more out of this squad then? As I said the truth lies somewhere in between our squad not being good enough and what we have should be doing better . This squad is not good enough to claw back those 19 points between us and city. Both Chelsea and Pool have spent big money to try and address their weaknesses. Our manager seems to need to tick our CEOs criteria before the purse is opened. Do you think this will change if Zidane rocks up and starts complaining. Our current manager has won every trophy in the game. Do you think Woodward will show Zidane more respect for some reason ? We are 3 managers in, all three have complained in some shape or form about the management/transfers. How many managers before the penny drops? Who is hiring all these failing managers? I'm not sure if Zidane is my preffered option but every Mourinho signing seems poor. I don't believe signing playets should be as hard ad he's making it seem. How hard is it to sign a right winger. We have more problems than Mourinho for sure but we were 1 point of city when he took over and Liverpool were shit. Klopp has an average midfield. We have to do something. We aren't going to make top 4 at this rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 5:18:50 GMT
If the problem isn't the manager then we shouldn't have sacked Van Gaal. So you think Zidane would fix all our problems ? I have just compiled a long list of which players are good enough. Do you think Zidane would get more out of this squad then? As I said the truth lies somewhere in between our squad not being good enough and what we have should be doing better . This squad is not good enough to claw back those 19 points between us and city. Both Chelsea and Pool have spent big money to try and address their weaknesses. Our manager seems to need to tick our CEOs criteria before the purse is opened. Do you think this will change if Zidane rocks up and starts complaining. Our current manager has won every trophy in the game. Do you think Woodward will show Zidane more respect for some reason ? We are 3 managers in, all three have complained in some shape or form about the management/transfers. How many managers before the penny drops? Who is hiring all these failing managers? Wolves played the better football yesterday, we've been outplayed by the mighty Brighton already and rode our luck to beat Leicester at OT. Forget Chelesa, City and the scouse. This squad should do a lot better and the fact we see zero cohesion is on the manager who has been here for more than two full seasons. I doubt Sanchez was signed and hs been playing against the manager's wish, and he has failed to address our CB issues properly.
Not a Zidane fan myself. Didn't he finish last season some 20 points off the top? The thing is that I think we'd be playing better under any of a dozen other managers. We wouldn't be starting our games with 10 men for starters.
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Post by juanveron on Sept 23, 2018 6:28:46 GMT
If the problem isn't the manager then we shouldn't have sacked Van Gaal. So you think Zidane would fix all our problems ? I have just compiled a long list of which players are good enough. Do you think Zidane would get more out of this squad then? As I said the truth lies somewhere in between our squad not being good enough and what we have should be doing better . This squad is not good enough to claw back those 19 points between us and city. Both Chelsea and Pool have spent big money to try and address their weaknesses. Our manager seems to need to tick our CEOs criteria before the purse is opened. Do you think this will change if Zidane rocks up and starts complaining. Our current manager has won every trophy in the game. Do you think Woodward will show Zidane more respect for some reason ? We are 3 managers in, all three have complained in some shape or form about the management/transfers. How many managers before the penny drops? Who is hiring all these failing managers? Here's the thing though - a manager's ultimate goal is to make a team greater than the sum of its parts. Ferguson was the greatest ever manager, mostly for being able to produce SUCH competitive teams even out of above average individuals. I absolutely agree with what you're saying regarding the fact that putting it on the manager isn't the answer, the problems go much deeper than that and we all know it. What I am saying, and I also said that on an earlier post in this thread, is that we're on Jose's 3rd season and we have no attacking playing style, our wins are extremely opportunistic (typically when we win it just seems like it somehow happened, we aren't necessarily the better team) and like you said about some of our younger players (you used Rashford as an example), some have regressed post-LVG to the point of entering the Danny Welbeck area. If you told me 2.5 years ago that these are the Anthony Martial and Marcus Rashford that we'll have in 2018 I would've told you you're a jealous Liverpool fan. Is Zidane the answer? No idea. Problem is, Jose isn't either. |
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 8:01:45 GMT
IF Zidane wants to come.. he might not not fancy it, he will want a shed load of money and time to change it around...so he will have the same problem as in moving overpaid average players on, they dont want to leave and nobody wants them.
Man Utd badly need a DoF to stop this handing out long lucrative contracts to crap footballers, He's the best high profile manager without a job but I dont know if Zidane is the answer and I dont know who is but we are in a right old mess now.
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