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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:09:52 GMT
My feelings on Zidane are this- he’s no fool. Supposedly he wants the gig but he’ll have seen the nonsense Woodward has produced. If he’s clever he’ll have a list of stipulations that are contractually laid out, DoF, input on transfers etc. unless these are agreed to he won’t take the job. If his agent is worth his salt he’ll make sure these are copper-fastened. He’s not in desperate need of it, he’ll break his sabbatical only for something that’s on his terms, within reason. Look at why he left-Perez’s interference and obsession with Neymar.
People have been slightly dismissive of his achievements at Real. Yes he was handed a good squad, which helped him win 3 Champions Leagues. But take a look at the mess they were in when he arrived. And they played football we can only dream of in a style sense.
To me it’s a complete no-brainer.
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Post by caino on Sept 23, 2018 8:17:21 GMT
we need a manager who can actually coach.
we got outclassed yesterday, not because they're a better team, but because they are coached better. they play to a system and a game plan.
we don't have a proper attacking build up play. we don't attack in waves. we don't control. we are a shambles and we better get ready for missing out on top 4 because at the minute we don't deserve to make it
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 8:22:04 GMT
Makes you wonder what is going on the dressing room at half time, first half had promising signs we were pressing high and attacking.
Second half we stop that.. invite them to the party allow them to score then hang on what kind of bullshit tactics is that?
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Post by caino on Sept 23, 2018 8:27:47 GMT
Makes you wonder what is going on the dressing room at half time, first half had promising signs we were pressing high and attacking. Second half we stop that.. invite them to the party allow them to score then hang on what kind of bullshit tactics is that? we were getting dominated until we scored. theyre unlucky to not have won that game. Alexis shouldn't start another game. |
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Post by thesheepdog on Sept 23, 2018 8:29:32 GMT
Gut feeling getting rid of another manager isnt the answer
However I may now contradict myself
We have too many squad players that I class as players either not good enough to play every week or getting past it ie
Mata
Herrera
Young
Valencia
Jones
Bailey
Darmian
Rojo
Sanches
Would you bring any of these players on in a cup final when your 1-0 down or defending a 1-0 lead?
These need to go in the winter window when other shit teams are desperate
And if pogba and martial want to go let them go we need players who play for the team not themselves
Now start to build a young team for the future one we can see develop over time, one that we will support as we know they are giving their all for the team, even if we don't win trophies initially and lose a few games. I would rather watch us lose with some fight rather than with a sulking whimper
Start buying young British talent and promote from within and trust the younger players. Tgey hsve been briught uo tge united way. Bring back the on loan players and if we do buy then no players over the age of 25
But can and will Jose do this ? We know the answer is no so he has to go
But we won't because the club will continue to spend millions on players in the hope they will be the missing piece if the jigsaw. The problem is the club have lost the jigsaw box so have no idea what the picture is
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:33:18 GMT
Makes you wonder what is going on the dressing room at half time, first half had promising signs we were pressing high and attacking. Second half we stop that.. invite them to the party allow them to score then hang on what kind of bullshit tactics is that? That’s not what happened though. We were actually playing well and they scored against the run of play. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:38:54 GMT
We had 15 shots to their 11. We had 62% possession to their 38%. The corner count was equal.
Where does this myth that we were dominated by Wolves come from?
I’m as annoyed as anyone about yesterday but let’s not re-write history to suit our own agenda.
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Post by On a break on Sept 23, 2018 8:41:55 GMT
Makes you wonder what is going on the dressing room at half time, first half had promising signs we were pressing high and attacking. Second half we stop that.. invite them to the party allow them to score then hang on what kind of bullshit tactics is that? That’s not what happened though. We were actually playing well and they scored against the run of play. I cant remember us playing well in the second half, I thought we were shit. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:43:02 GMT
Gut feeling getting rid of another manager isnt the answer However I may now contradict myself We have too many squad players that I class as players either not good enough to play every week or getting past it ie Mata Herrera Young Valencia Jones Bailey Darmian Rojo Sanches Would you bring any of these players on in a cup final when your 1-0 down or defending a 1-0 lead? These need to go in the winter window when other shit teams are desperate And if pogba and martial want to go let them go we need players who play for the team not themselves Now start to build a young team for the future one we can see develop over time, one that we will support as we know they are giving their all for the team, even if we don't win trophies initially and lose a few games. I would rather watch us lose with some fight rather than with a sulking whimper Start buying young British talent and promote from within and trust the younger players. Tgey hsve been briught uo tge united way. Bring back the on loan players and if we do buy then no players over the age of 25 But can and will Jose do this ? We know the answer is no so he has to go But we won't because the club will continue to spend millions on players in the hope they will be the missing piece if the jigsaw. The problem is the club have lost the jigsaw box so have no idea what the picture is Good points but I wouldn’t concern myself with signing British players. Sign good players regardless of where they’re from. Our greatest ever keeper was Foreign. Our greatest ever fullback was Irish, arguably our greatest ever midfielder was also. Portuguese, French, Norwegian, Dutch players have made indelible marks on the club. Plenty of British players have too but to me it’s not that important any more. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:43:47 GMT
That’s not what happened though. We were actually playing well and they scored against the run of play. I cant remember us playing well in the second half, I thought we were shit. As I said, we played well until they scored. Then it got sloppy and the game became stretched. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 8:57:57 GMT
Played well is relative obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 9:16:42 GMT
We had 15 shots to their 11. We had 62% possession to their 38%. The corner count was equal. Where does this myth that we were dominated by Wolves come from? I’m as annoyed as anyone about yesterday but let’s not re-write history to suit our own agenda. Wolves played really well. I thought Moutinho was in control and they countered really sharply. Not too fussed about the possesion stats. We definitely had good periods though. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 9:22:02 GMT
We had 15 shots to their 11. We had 62% possession to their 38%. The corner count was equal. Where does this myth that we were dominated by Wolves come from? I’m as annoyed as anyone about yesterday but let’s not re-write history to suit our own agenda. Wolves played really well. I thought Moutinho was in control and they countered really sharply. Not too fussed about the possesion stats. We definitely had good periods though. I agree, Wolves are a well-drilled side who played well. We weren’t dominated in any sense though, it was an even enough contest. The possession stats and shots stats are there to show as much. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Sept 23, 2018 9:39:20 GMT
My feelings on Zidane are this- he’s no fool. Supposedly he wants the gig but he’ll have seen the nonsense Woodward has produced. If he’s clever he’ll have a list of stipulations that are contractually laid out, DoF, input on transfers etc. unless these are agreed to he won’t take the job. If his agent is worth his salt he’ll make sure these are copper-fastened. He’s not in desperate need of it, he’ll break his sabbatical only for something that’s on his terms, within reason. Look at why he left-Perez’s interference and obsession with Neymar. People have been slightly dismissive of his achievements at Real. Yes he was handed a good squad, which helped him win 3 Champions Leagues. But take a look at the mess they were in when he arrived. And they played football we can only dream of in a style sense. To me it’s a complete no-brainer. I posted about Zidane in the other thread just now, but I just want to be clear (I know you weren’t aiming this at me) that I’m not dismissive of his achievements. I think what he did was incredible. Klopp, Pep, Sarri, Pochettino etc. - none of them could have done what he did with winning 3 CL’s. I just think what he did is different to the massive rebuilding job we have on our hands. We need someone to pull us up to that level first, and I’m not sure Zidane is the man for that. Zidane would probably be fantastic as Post-Fergie Manager #5, once he’s followed someone who won us a league and got us back to being a serious threat in Europe, so Zidane could come in and just push us over the edge (which is arguably the hardest part). I just think the talents he showed at Real don’t fit the job we need right now. Also, they may have been in a mess when he arrived but that was only because of the Fat Spanish Waiter. They still had, man for man, the best team in the world IMO. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 23, 2018 9:42:45 GMT
My feelings on Zidane are this- he’s no fool. Supposedly he wants the gig but he’ll have seen the nonsense Woodward has produced. If he’s clever he’ll have a list of stipulations that are contractually laid out, DoF, input on transfers etc. unless these are agreed to he won’t take the job. If his agent is worth his salt he’ll make sure these are copper-fastened. He’s not in desperate need of it, he’ll break his sabbatical only for something that’s on his terms, within reason. Look at why he left-Perez’s interference and obsession with Neymar. People have been slightly dismissive of his achievements at Real. Yes he was handed a good squad, which helped him win 3 Champions Leagues. But take a look at the mess they were in when he arrived. And they played football we can only dream of in a style sense. To me it’s a complete no-brainer. I posted about Zidane in the other thread just now, but I just want to be clear (I know you weren’t aiming this at me) that I’m not dismissive of his achievements. I think what he did was incredible. Klopp, Pep, Sarri, Pochettino etc. - none of them could have done what he did with winning 3 CL’s. I just think what he did is different to the massive rebuilding job we have on our hands. We need someone to pull us up to that level first, and I’m not sure Zidane is the man for that. Zidane would probably be fantastic as Post-Fergie Manager #5, once he’s followed someone who won us a league and got us back to being a serious threat in Europe, so Zidane could come in and just push us over the edge (which is arguably the hardest part). I just think the talents he showed at Real don’t fit the job we need right now. Also, they may have been in a mess when he arrived but that was only because of the Fat Spanish Waiter. They still had, man for man, the best team in the world IMO. Fair enough but who’s winning us this league title? |
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