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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 22:36:13 GMT
I can't quite get my head around this defence at times. For the most part today they were all pretty solid but they're all capable of mind numbingly stupid moments which can cost us a goal and the game.
On the plus side, Lindelof is really coming on.
I also think this is the correct way for Mourinho to make his point to the board about lack of investment in that area.
Go out there, play good, attacking football and if the defence is continually costing you or putting you under pressure, then it makes more of a point than doing nonsensical things such as playing McTominay in central defence. Although, as far as today is concerned, both ends of the pitch were at fault as we probably should've been further ahead which means the penalty doesn't apply as much pressure on us.
Just desperate for us to give a side an absolute trouncing. It really could've happened today, Pickford made a couple of solid stops to keep them in it but there's at least 3 chances I can think of off the top of my head that we could've done better with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 22:48:15 GMT
I think what the defence needs more than anything is a leader with a voice. I see nobody talking or getting angry when we concede these easy chances. They all just look sheepish or embarrassed and get on with the game. Where is the player re-organising them and trying to refocus their efforts?
Think it's one of the biggest issues with the side full stop. All of our great teams had not only a great captain but great leaders in almost every area of the pitch.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Oct 28, 2018 23:12:17 GMT
I think what the defence needs more than anything is a leader with a voice. I see nobody talking or getting angry when we concede these easy chances. They all just look sheepish or embarrassed and get on with the game. Where is the player re-organising them and trying to refocus their efforts? Think it's one of the biggest issues with the side full stop. All of our great teams had not only a great captain but great leaders in almost every area of the pitch. Leadership comes from experience. Experience comes with age, generally. We aren't allowed to sign older players. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 23:13:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 5:57:11 GMT
Lies. Our defence is perfect. Our unofficial DoF said so. Second best defensive record in the league for the last two seasons. Mock the board all you like, but the defensive shitshow is on the manager. He needs to organise that defense. That is what he is being paid for. His miserable press conference are just a bonus.
Our defense is far from perfect but a glance at the top of the league suggests that good coaching is what we are missing. Liverpool have conceded 4 goals in 10, and play in defense a kid who's often mocked here for being shite, a LB signed from hull and good old brainfart-prone Dejan Lovern. I think TAA deserves far more credit than he is getting here, and Andy Robertson has been a steal, but neither are world-beaters I'd have to agree. But perhaps they do better because the opposition shits in their pants when they play the scouse because they defend right from the top and are quick on the break? Perhaps our shaky defense would have more confidence if the rest in front of them didn't stroll around for most of the game, parked in our own half?
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Post by redcase on Oct 29, 2018 6:11:07 GMT
Lies. Our defence is perfect. Our unofficial DoF said so. Second best defensive record in the league for the last two seasons. Mock the board all you like, but the defensive shitshow is on the manager. He needs to organise that defense. That is what he is being paid for. His miserable press conference are just a bonus. Our defense is far from perfect but a glance at the top of the league suggests that good coaching is what we are missing. Liverpool have conceded 4 goals in 10, and play in defense a kid who's often mocked here for being shite, a LB signed from hull and good old brainfart-prone Dejan Lovern. I think TAA deserves far more credit than he is getting here, and Andy Robertson has been a steal, but neither are world-beaters I'd have to agree. But perhaps they do better because the opposition shits in their pants when they play the scouse because they defend right from the top and are quick on the break? Perhaps our shaky defense would have more confidence if the rest in front of them didn't stroll around for most of the game, parked in our own half?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 7:33:08 GMT
Second best defensive record in the league for the last two seasons. Mock the board all you like, but the defensive shitshow is on the manager. He needs to organise that defense. That is what he is being paid for. His miserable press conference are just a bonus. Our defense is far from perfect but a glance at the top of the league suggests that good coaching is what we are missing. Liverpool have conceded 4 goals in 10, and play in defense a kid who's often mocked here for being shite, a LB signed from hull and good old brainfart-prone Dejan Lovern. I think TAA deserves far more credit than he is getting here, and Andy Robertson has been a steal, but neither are world-beaters I'd have to agree. But perhaps they do better because the opposition shits in their pants when they play the scouse because they defend right from the top and are quick on the break? Perhaps our shaky defense would have more confidence if the rest in front of them didn't stroll around for most of the game, parked in our own half?
What did I just read ? 1. That we had the same defense for the previous two seasons, when we had the second best defensive record in the league.
2. That defending is not the responsibility of the back four alone.
3. There are teams out there that have better defensive records than ours this season yet you wouldn't want us to sign any of their defenders. I gave one example from one end of the league table, but there are quiet a few other examples unfortunately.
What you did not read but I'll take the opportunity to add is that if the manager practically says in public that his defenders are cack it is unlikely to instill confidence in them to make the situation any better.
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Post by Karma on Oct 29, 2018 8:26:26 GMT
1. That we had the same defense for the previous two seasons, when we had the second best defensive record in the league.
2. That defending is not the responsibility of the back four alone.
3. There are teams out there that have better defensive records than ours this season yet you wouldn't want us to sign any of their defenders. I gave one example from one end of the league table, but there are quiet a few other examples unfortunately.
What you did not read but I'll take the opportunity to add is that if the manager practically says in public that his defenders are cack it is unlikely to instill confidence in them to make the situation any better.
Or maybe there was some truth in the idea that De Gea was saving our arses more than he should have been doing ? Van Gaals system helped to protect the defence. We have scored 3 less goals than Pool so we aren't as shy at going forward as has been suggested. Maybe this too has compromised the defence? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:42:51 GMT
I think what the defence needs more than anything is a leader with a voice. I see nobody talking or getting angry when we concede these easy chances. They all just look sheepish or embarrassed and get on with the game. Where is the player re-organising them and trying to refocus their efforts? Think it's one of the biggest issues with the side full stop. All of our great teams had not only a great captain but great leaders in almost every area of the pitch. Leadership comes from experience. Experience comes with age, generally. We aren't allowed to sign older players. For the most part I agree in terms of leadership coming from experience but it's not always the case and I see none of our experienced players currently at the club as leaders. Matic isn't a leader, nor is Mata. Valencia as captain is a prime example of the lack of leaders in the side because he gets it purely on experience, he's a warrior, not a leader. Smalling isn't a leader.
Funnily enough, Young probably shows more leadership than our other experienced players. I suppose Herrera is now an experienced player at 29 and I definitely think if he was given a more prominent place in the starting lineup he could play that roll. Pogba absolutely should be a leader in the middle of the park, he did it for France at the world cup but he's still doing dumb as fuck things that real leaders of the past, like Keano, would've absolutely mauled him for.
It's why I'd have been delighted to have Zlatan back for 6 months. That guy is a leader through and through. I reckon just having him back in the dressing room would give the side an extra few percent.
In terms of central defence, I genuinely believe we have a decent collection of central defenders. In terms of looking at their qualities individually, they can all defend, they've proved it. But they could all do with that 1 guy, a leader, in there alongside them.
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Post by On a break on Oct 29, 2018 8:54:45 GMT
Im not going to get excited about beating a team that has a poor record at OT what we need is a strong consistent run of wins, that penalty..Pogba is a clown and will miss one soon playing the smart arse, 6 mins added time? Im guessing 5 of the minutes were for the penalty walk up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:57:45 GMT
1. That we had the same defense for the previous two seasons, when we had the second best defensive record in the league.
2. That defending is not the responsibility of the back four alone.
3. There are teams out there that have better defensive records than ours this season yet you wouldn't want us to sign any of their defenders. I gave one example from one end of the league table, but there are quiet a few other examples unfortunately.
What you did not read but I'll take the opportunity to add is that if the manager practically says in public that his defenders are cack it is unlikely to instill confidence in them to make the situation any better.
I also agree with this. You can often look at another area of the pitch besides the defence when we concede a goal. Even yesterday with Smalling's thick as fuck challenge, people were pointing the finger at Pogba, should Smalling have been put under such pressure in the first place?
For the most part we're a side who do look pretty solid defensively but it does have a habit of getting extremely chaotic back there when we get put under pressure. As mentioned I think a leader at the back could go some way to fixing that but unless you're buying a completely new Chiellini/Bonucci standard pairing, it won't fix everything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:58:20 GMT
Im not going to get excited about beating a team that has a poor record at OT what we need is a strong consistent run of wins, that penalty..Pogba is a clown and will miss one soon playing the smart arse, 6 mins added time? Im guessing 5 of the minutes were for the penalty walk up. All of the added time we get for the rest of the season will be for that penalty walk up. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 9:50:17 GMT
1. That we had the same defense for the previous two seasons, when we had the second best defensive record in the league.
2. That defending is not the responsibility of the back four alone.
3. There are teams out there that have better defensive records than ours this season yet you wouldn't want us to sign any of their defenders. I gave one example from one end of the league table, but there are quiet a few other examples unfortunately.
What you did not read but I'll take the opportunity to add is that if the manager practically says in public that his defenders are cack it is unlikely to instill confidence in them to make the situation any better.
1. Or maybe there was some truth in the idea that De Gea was saving our arses more than he should have been doing ? 2. Van Gaals system helped to protect the defence. 3. We have scored 3 less goals than Pool so we aren't as shy at going forward as has been suggested. Maybe this too has compromised the defence? 1. I wouldn't blame DDG for our dismal goals against column this season.
2. We sure don't attack that much with Jose, so maybe he can do a LVG and protect our defense too while we are camped in our own half anyway.
3. Haven't checked but I think than we had more goals scored this time last season.
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Post by Sméagol on Oct 29, 2018 10:51:15 GMT
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Post by Karma on Oct 29, 2018 13:48:45 GMT
1. Or maybe there was some truth in the idea that De Gea was saving our arses more than he should have been doing ? 2. Van Gaals system helped to protect the defence. 3. We have scored 3 less goals than Pool so we aren't as shy at going forward as has been suggested. Maybe this too has compromised the defence? 1. I wouldn't blame DDG for our dismal goals against column this season.
2. We sure don't attack that much with Jose, so maybe he can do a LVG and protect our defense too while we are camped in our own half anyway.
3. Haven't checked but I think than we had more goals scored this time last season.
Well we have scored 3 less goals than Pool so they mustn't be attacking much either? Or maybe it's that their defence that they invested heavily in has finally plugged a gap? Or their goals scored has been affected by a more defensive approach or that Salah isn't banging in the goals like last season? I don't see them being accused of not attacking much regardless. I'm not blaming De Gea either but we have been heavily reliant on him for some time. How many times has he won player of the year again? He's probably just having a normal season for a goalkeeper rather than saving our asses week after week! We are giving sloppy goals away. For a team of giants we are conceding a lot of set piece goals as well. It could possibly be that heaven forbid we actually overachieved last season? Last season i remember at least 2 games where the score line flattered us somewhat, West Ham and Everton at home and banged in quite a few late goals. Considering our main CF hasn't scored since god was a boy our attack isn't actually that bad. Until yesterday Spurs had scored 1 more goal than us. |
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