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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 19:36:24 GMT
The fact we're now 12 points behind Liverpool, with a 21 goal difference between us and them, level with Brighton in the table, should be enough to sack the miserable git right now. If this was Moyes or LVG, they'd be out the door. They really wouldn't. There are short memories when it comes to what happened under both. Jose was given the handshake in January of LVG's second season. That was right after we collapsed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 19:37:37 GMT
The fact we're now 12 points behind Liverpool, with a 21 goal difference between us and them, level with Brighton in the table, should be enough to sack the miserable git right now. If this was Moyes or LVG, they'd be out the door. Damn, that's nasty... shocking that we're only 10 games in. I'm pretty confident that the point gap will decrease, but I'm afraid the goal difference is only going to get worse. We can only be 8th after this weekend. Europa looks too far away at this point. |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 27, 2018 19:48:33 GMT
If Moyes or LVG were in charge now they wouldn't be out the door? Okay. Of course they'd be gone. Jesus wept. Previous evidence proves otherwise. Van Gaal's nightmare Christmas springs to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 19:51:04 GMT
Going up to OT for the first time this season for this. We better fucking win.
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Post by Karma on Oct 27, 2018 21:43:40 GMT
If Moyes or LVG were in charge now they wouldn't be out the door? Okay. Of course they'd be gone. Jesus wept. Both were sacked when CL was impossible. Do you want me to list all the unfortunate records they broke during their tenures ? Both should have been out of the door in December in Moyes's and Van Gaal first and second season but weren't. Now unless the owners are conducting an experiment in fan misery why on earth did both last as long as they did? Why would any owner stutter on when its clear all is pretty is pretty much Lost? 1 To save money? 2 No bugger wants to replace him? 3 Incompetent board? Its almost as if this situation now is unique and the previous managers didn't have a bad time at the office? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 22:04:48 GMT
If Moyes or LVG were in charge now they wouldn't be out the door? Okay. Of course they'd be gone. Jesus wept. Both were sacked when CL was impossible. Do you want me to list all the unfortunate records they broke during their tenures ? Both should have been out of the door in December in Moyes's and Van Gaal first and second season but weren't. Now unless the owners are conducting an experiment in fan misery why on earth did both last as long as they did? Why would any owner stutter on when its clear all is pretty is pretty much Lost? 1 To save money? 2 No bugger wants to replace him? 3 Incompetent board? Its almost as if this situation now is unique and the previous managers didn't have a bad time at the office? LVG was sacked well before CL was impossible it just wasn't official yet. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-manager-jose-mourinho-10924573.ampThe BBC had repirted it before this. It was the worst kept secret in football that our fans chose to ignore for some reason. Hopefully they are doing the same already and have someone lined up whi actually suits us. |
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Post by banksy on Oct 27, 2018 23:05:57 GMT
If Moyes or LVG were in charge now they wouldn't be out the door? Okay. Of course they'd be gone. Jesus wept. Previous evidence proves otherwise. Van Gaal's nightmare Christmas springs to mind. Utterly and completely missing the point, not talking about Moyes' or LVG's reign's. Totally irrelevant. IF Moyes or LVG were in charge now, 12 points behind the godforsaken Scousers, with a 21 goal inferior goal difference in comparison. While level with Brighton's points tally at this moment in time, our hirearchy would have Moyes and LVG out of the door so fast that their feet wouldn't touch the ground. Mourinho should be gone, don't be dismissing others very valid opinions in a smart arse way. No need for it. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Oct 27, 2018 23:22:37 GMT
If Moyes or LVG were in charge now they wouldn't be out the door? Okay. Of course they'd be gone. Jesus wept. New to United and the Glazers eh? Here, i have a bridge i want to sell you... Edit : Having just seen the post above this, i retract the question above. You ARE new to United and the Glazers. Next you will be telling us that Woodward is a fully competent Chief Executive  Given both Moyes and VG were sacked after CL football was unachievable (VG got a temporary reprieve due to the cup final) & not sooner, despite the absolute shite football offered, its got fuck all to do with "opinion" ffs. Its based on bare facts. Perhaps you would like to tell us how United aren't only interested in commercial revenue, and are totally committed to the actual football operations? |
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Post by Karma on Oct 27, 2018 23:54:21 GMT
Both were sacked when CL was impossible. Do you want me to list all the unfortunate records they broke during their tenures ? Both should have been out of the door in December in Moyes's and Van Gaal first and second season but weren't. Now unless the owners are conducting an experiment in fan misery why on earth did both last as long as they did? Why would any owner stutter on when its clear all is pretty is pretty much Lost? 1 To save money? 2 No bugger wants to replace him? 3 Incompetent board? Its almost as if this situation now is unique and the previous managers didn't have a bad time at the office? LVG was sacked well before CL was impossible it just wasn't official yet. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-manager-jose-mourinho-10924573.ampThe BBC had repirted it before this. It was the worst kept secret in football that our fans chose to ignore for some reason. Hopefully they are doing the same already and have someone lined up whi actually suits us. No the only reason he was still in a job was because we still had an FA cup final to play in. Not unlike Conte with Chelsea last season. I think the groundwork was being laid before then but Van Gaal had one season left on his contract, the football was far worse than anything under Jose and it was clear the Giggs next option wasn't happening. I have every faith had we pulled off top 4 that last game though Ed would have done a U turn. Look at the reports before the Newcastle game. By all accounts that journo who reported that is pretty decent with his info. I think the board shit themselves with Neville chucking a grenade in their direction and the rest of the negative press that came from those rumours. I think those sack reports were true but they got cold feet especially considering the comeback in the game. |
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Post by juanveron on Oct 28, 2018 6:14:37 GMT
No the only reason he was still in a job was because we still had an FA cup final to play in. Not unlike Conte with Chelsea last season. I think the groundwork was being laid before then but Van Gaal had one season left on his contract, the football was far worse than anything under Jose and it was clear the Giggs next option wasn't happening. I have every faith had we pulled off top 4 that last game though Ed would have done a U turn.
Look at the reports before the Newcastle game. By all accounts that journo who reported that is pretty decent with his info. I think the board shit themselves with Neville chucking a grenade in their direction and the rest of the negative press that came from those rumours. I think those sack reports were true but they got cold feet especially considering the comeback in the game. I actually think that one of the biggest reasons LVG was replaced by Jose is because we reacted to City hiring Pep. I'm no expert in game theory, but that was a classic move of going for your best response (Jose is the one coach who's managed to deny Pep of a league title prior to his 1st season in the PL, and also seemed to be able to get under his skin). It made a lot of sense as well, given how dire the football was with LVG and Jose being the one elite manager with PL experience available. Jose will only leave mid-season when CL qualification is still mathematically possible if Real offer him a job, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. My biggest hope for this is that in the summer our board will have the balls to make a change even if it means they'll have to pay him some money. |
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Post by juanveron on Oct 28, 2018 6:26:15 GMT
Damn, that's nasty... shocking that we're only 10 games in. I'm pretty confident that the point gap will decrease, but I'm afraid the goal difference is only going to get worse. We can only be 8th after this weekend. Europa looks too far away at this point. Well, what I meant was that over time we'll manage to decrease the point gap from them, but that the goal difference is going to get much worse. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 28, 2018 6:52:24 GMT
Both were sacked when CL was impossible. Do you want me to list all the unfortunate records they broke during their tenures ? Both should have been out of the door in December in Moyes's and Van Gaal first and second season but weren't. Now unless the owners are conducting an experiment in fan misery why on earth did both last as long as they did? Why would any owner stutter on when its clear all is pretty is pretty much Lost? 1 To save money? 2 No bugger wants to replace him? 3 Incompetent board? Its almost as if this situation now is unique and the previous managers didn't have a bad time at the office? LVG was sacked well before CL was impossible it just wasn't official yet. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-manager-jose-mourinho-10924573.ampThe BBC had repirted it before this. It was the worst kept secret in football that our fans chose to ignore for some reason. Hopefully they are doing the same already and have someone lined up whi actually suits us. Doesn't matter if it was unofficial or the worst kept secret. He was only officially sacked after it became 100% clear that we wouldn't get CL because by then the club was sure they could give him a lower payout. He was allowed to do his job longer than he should have , just like what's happening now. This is not a football club, it's a business. It's run by number crunchers and pencil pushers. Until these people know for mathematically certain that we won't achieve targets , they will not make a move . It's completely reactive rather than proactive round these parts . |
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Post by Bestie on Oct 28, 2018 8:58:45 GMT
Both were sacked when CL was impossible. Do you want me to list all the unfortunate records they broke during their tenures ? Both should have been out of the door in December in Moyes's and Van Gaal first and second season but weren't. Now unless the owners are conducting an experiment in fan misery why on earth did both last as long as they did? Why would any owner stutter on when its clear all is pretty is pretty much Lost? 1 To save money? 2 No bugger wants to replace him? 3 Incompetent board? Its almost as if this situation now is unique and the previous managers didn't have a bad time at the office? LVG was sacked well before CL was impossible it just wasn't official yet. www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-manager-jose-mourinho-10924573.ampThe BBC had repirted it before this. It was the worst kept secret in football that our fans chose to ignore for some reason. Hopefully they are doing the same already and have someone lined up whi actually suits us. Funny how a manager was able to keep turning up every week, getting paid, and even lead us into a cup final months after being sacked. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Oct 28, 2018 9:06:47 GMT
Doesn't matter if it was unofficial or the worst kept secret. He was only officially sacked after it became 100% clear that we wouldn't get CL because by then the club was sure they could give him a lower payout. He was allowed to do his job longer than he should have , just like what's happening now. This is not a football club, it's a business. It's run by number crunchers and pencil pushers. Until these people know for mathematically certain that we won't achieve targets , they will not make a move . It's completely reactive rather than proactive round these parts . Not forgetting VG wanted to quit around Xmas but our fearless leader talked him out of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 9:07:51 GMT
Anyway, so today's match?
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