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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 3, 2018 12:59:09 GMT
The cbs might be shit but I've seen pub teams better organised at the back then we are, and that is well and truly on the manager and coaches
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Post by king nothing on Nov 3, 2018 13:00:46 GMT
Static. No fucker running off the ball.
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 3, 2018 13:01:04 GMT
To an extent. There's no doubt we should have a better centre back, but the best managers improve what they have and make a team more than the sum of their parts. We have never been anything other than less than the sum of our parts under Jose IMO. I'm not saying Klopp, Pep or Pochettino etc. would make him the next Maldini but they've done much better with what they have than Jose has with what he has. Individual mistakes aren't on Jose. But he has bought two expensive centre backs, not really improved them or the ones that were already here despite being famous for improving defenders, and gone back to Smalling. So the fact Smalling's been atrocious in this opening 15 minutes isn't his fault, but he has to take a fair share of blame in the wider situation IMO. Disagree with that. A manager cannot always improve a player. Of the player's level is such, he'll stay there even if Arrigo Sacchi takes time off retirement to coach him. Smalling's level is that. How many players did Fergie bring in that turned out utter duds ? How many did he fail to improve ? It's a long , long list. Agree that a manager can't always improve a player. I don't think any manager would improve Smalling enough. The problem is Jose has barely improved anyone. I reckon only about two or three players have got better under him, and of those only Lingard was genuinely unexpected IMO - maybe Shaw as well. A better manager wouldn't improve Smalling, but they might have improved Bailly etc. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 3, 2018 13:01:08 GMT
To an extent. There's no doubt we should have a better centre back, but the best managers improve what they have and make a team more than the sum of their parts. We have never been anything other than less than the sum of our parts under Jose IMO. I'm not saying Klopp, Pep or Pochettino etc. would make him the next Maldini but they've done much better with what they have than Jose has with what he has. Individual mistakes aren't on Jose. But he has bought two expensive centre backs, not really improved them or the ones that were already here despite being famous for improving defenders, and gone back to Smalling. So the fact Smalling's been atrocious in this opening 15 minutes isn't his fault, but he has to take a fair share of blame in the wider situation IMO. Disagree with that. A manager cannot always improve a player. Of the player's level is such, he'll stay there even if Arrigo Sacchi takes time off retirement to coach him. Smalling's level is that. How many players did Fergie bring in that turned out utter duds ? How many did he fail to improve ? It's a long , long list. Same people absolving the players time and again. Why should a 28 y/o defender be expected to take responsibility for his own actions on the pitch when you can just blame the manager and hope the defender learns a lesson when the new manager turns up. I mean it's worked so far for Smalling and co after 4 managers. Maybe #5 will be the one when it finally sinks in? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 13:01:21 GMT
Just seen the goal - Our defending is so bad. Fuck off Smalling ya berk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:06 GMT
Pogba chasing a player winning a tackle? There is still hope.
Zero shots on target. We will have to improve on that. Let’s start with getting in their half
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Post by _ on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:21 GMT
So is Smalling's absolutely rubbish defending Mourinho's fault again? Nonsensical defending. To an extent. There's no doubt we should have a better centre back, but the best managers improve what they have and make a team more than the sum of their parts. We have never been anything other than less than the sum of our parts under Jose IMO. I'm not saying Klopp, Pep or Pochettino etc. would make him the next Maldini but they've done much better with what they have than Jose has with what he has. Individual mistakes aren't on Jose. But he has bought two expensive centre backs, not really improved them or the ones that were already here despite being famous for improving defenders, and gone back to Smalling. So the fact Smalling's been atrocious in this opening 15 minutes isn't his fault, but he has to take a fair share of blame in the wider situation IMO. Yeah but we also have 300M worth of midfield players, who don't seem to be able to pass or move the ball or hold onto it, or track like a top team either. Bournemouth have over run us so far again in MF. They have moved the ball well and sprung traps |
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Post by On a break on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:22 GMT
Bournemouth making us look shit, let that sink in.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:26 GMT
Ah yes, the notion that a new manager will turn Smalling into Baresi. Wondered how long it would take for that to be said.  Good job the club didn't stop Fergie from buying other players when his signings didn't work too. Great way to run a club. I literally said that Smalling wouldn't turn into Maldini. Can you read? If you couldn't it would actually explain a lot about what you post. You said you would expect them to do a lot better with them. How exactly do you see Smalling improving after all these years? Maybe that explains a lot about what you post too. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:39 GMT
Disagree with that. A manager cannot always improve a player. Of the player's level is such, he'll stay there even if Arrigo Sacchi takes time off retirement to coach him. Smalling's level is that. How many players did Fergie bring in that turned out utter duds ? How many did he fail to improve ? It's a long , long list. Same people absolving the players time and again. Why should a 28 y/o defender be expected to take responsibility for his own actions on the pitch when you can just blame the manager and hope the defender learns a lesson when the new manager turns up. I mean it's worked so far for Smalling and co after 4 managers. Maybe #5 will be the one when it finally sinks in? Who is absolving Smalling? I said he's been atrocious. |
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Post by . on Nov 3, 2018 13:02:48 GMT
Just seen the goal - Our defending is so bad. Fuck off Smalling ya berk. Carbs, did you see the 3 Bournemouth players lining up to put that away?? Absolutely frightening. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 3, 2018 13:03:07 GMT
Fred has to do better there.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 3, 2018 13:03:29 GMT
Fred WTF?
just bounced off him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 13:03:36 GMT
Just seen the goal - Our defending is so bad. Fuck off Smalling ya berk. 2 goals in 2 games hes now been at fault for...we've got City next!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 13:03:45 GMT
Well that's a god awful finish from Fred.
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