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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:07:49 GMT
Things had gone south with Jose no point going over that and the performance today would likely have been worst under him in that he would set up way too defensively. 3 names specifically I mentioned and Jose bought one, brought through the other and IMO tried to ruin the other. Pereira is no DM, not sure what Fred is yet and same for Scott. Pereira is outta contract so I expect more if he wants to stay, Scott hasn’t played games and looks like he wasn’t asked to sit deep which baffles me and Fred well there are glimpses but he does need to try and stamp in some solid performances. I fully understand why Fellaini gets games, when others don’t perform it keeps him in a contract and that’s probably why Jose wanted him to stay. McTominay is a squad player at best. And that is being generous. Fred. God knows. Plays some good balls, but seems rash at the best of times and woeful at others. First season though so worth giving a full season under the new boss. Pereira. Don't know what some see in him at times. Seems to be judged on his reserves performances more than anything. Yes he has been played out of position, but when he has been given a competitive game he hasn't stood out at all. Some seem to think he is indispensable/hard done by. If he left he will have a good career but it won't be the end of the world. I can’t argue with any of that to be honest. Scott and pereira can do one to be honest, we need quality and not squad number fillers |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:08:17 GMT
My annoyance with managers we have had is why they just don’t insist on certain players being sold within 2 markets of their arrival? Darmian, rojo, one of Smalling and jones, Sanchez (glimpses but nothing to justify his stupid wages) Valencia (just not the same) are players that really should be out the door to free up wages for ddg, martial and Ander to renew their contracts and for us to get quality recruits. Darmian and Rojo were told they were free to find new clubs. And bids were entered for them but rejected. Again (pretty sure i pointed this out in the summer)them being here is to do with the owners/woody not the manager. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:08:42 GMT
Jose is petty enough to make things personal, however I don’t know if he thought pereira could be Mikel mk2? Mikel was an attacking mid turned DM and never fulfilled the teenage potential. Pereira at best is an attacking mid, he has no business playing the DM role. If the current coaches think he is a DM then good grief On Fred there are glimpses of a player but all I see is a player that can run, decent passing, I don’t really see a defensive side to his game yet, hopefully with time and games we will see the player in his pomp Fred reminds me of the final days of Anderson. Good lord he was a disappointment |
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 18:09:26 GMT
So guess I am the only one who thought Pereira is worth persevering with? I thought he showed some nice touches and tried a few things. My impression was that he was maybe trying too hard to make an impression and that would be solved by some more game time. Same goes for Fred imo. McTominay just doesn’t have it though... I don't think he is a lost cause yet. But I think he needs some rapid progress and will probably get more game time under Ole to prove himself. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:10:54 GMT
McTominay is a squad player at best. And that is being generous. Fred. God knows. Plays some good balls, but seems rash at the best of times and woeful at others. First season though so worth giving a full season under the new boss. Pereira. Don't know what some see in him at times. Seems to be judged on his reserves performances more than anything. Yes he has been played out of position, but when he has been given a competitive game he hasn't stood out at all. Some seem to think he is indispensable/hard done by. If he left he will have a good career but it won't be the end of the world. I can’t argue with any of that to be honest. Scott and pereira can do one to be honest, we need quality and not squad number fillers Problem is there is still work to be done on the first team. Can't have a massive cull and still expect to do well. Dynamics, etc. Fix that in the summer and then fix the squad next jan/next summer. McT and co aren't going to hurt for another season really. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:10:58 GMT
My annoyance with managers we have had is why they just don’t insist on certain players being sold within 2 markets of their arrival? Darmian, rojo, one of Smalling and jones, Sanchez (glimpses but nothing to justify his stupid wages) Valencia (just not the same) are players that really should be out the door to free up wages for ddg, martial and Ander to renew their contracts and for us to get quality recruits. Darmian and Rojo were told they were free to find new clubs. And bids were entered for them but rejected. Again (pretty sure i pointed this out in the summer)them being here is to do with the owners/woody not the manager. Darmian you are spot on, the money we wanted was just simply silly but Jose wanted rojo to stay especially if no one was coming in. However if Toby was available at £30 million then what can I say, just hope it wasn’t levy calling with an hour left of the window to say we could have the player knowing very well it was impossible to complete. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:12:55 GMT
No one is being negative but if the performance is shit it should be called as such. There are still areas within the squad that a change of manager won't improve. Our starting 11 is decent but there is plenty of players who aren't good enough/done and need moving on now. That's the reality! Pointless pretending otherwise. We were always going to learn something from today. I never had any great expectations for this game, only to win, which is exactly why I made no pre match predictions/comments. And exactly why (not having BT at home) I decided I had better things to do than spend the afternoon in the pub watching it. Paul's (and others) own frustrations come from his own high expectations for the game as confirmed by his 10 - 0 pre match prediction. We done enough, sometimes that is all that is needed. We learnt somethings. Move on (the wiser) to the more important next game. That's the reality! Other than that I fully agree with your post and its content. If you think a 10-0 "prediction" was a legitimate one then...wow. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:13:11 GMT
I can’t argue with any of that to be honest. Scott and pereira can do one to be honest, we need quality and not squad number fillers Problem is there is still work to be done on the first team. Can't have a massive cull and still expect to do well. Dynamics, etc. Fix that in the summer and then fix the squad next jan/next summer. McT and co aren't going to hurt for another season really. If we are gonna keep players like that you need a coach, a darn good coach and not a feel good factor guy. Only time will tell if the current coaches can developer players but I hope so as some of them need serious time on the training ground and a lot of reflection time after training. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:14:16 GMT
Darmian and Rojo were told they were free to find new clubs. And bids were entered for them but rejected. Again (pretty sure i pointed this out in the summer)them being here is to do with the owners/woody not the manager. Darmian you are spot on, the money we wanted was just simply silly but Jose wanted rojo to stay especially if no one was coming in. However if Toby was available at £30 million then what can I say, just hope it wasn’t levy calling with an hour left of the window to say we could have the player knowing very well it was impossible to complete. If the actual transfer fee is agreed between the clubs & filed with FIFA, then the rest can be done after. Look at deals that are done long after the window closes. Woody shit himself when it came time to think about actually handing money over. Bit like going to an auction & bidding on stuff, with no intention of buying. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jan 5, 2019 18:17:10 GMT
If Fred is a flop - and there's plenty of time for him not to be - the scouting team and whoever else was involved need to be held to account. That was a serious chunk of change, even in today's market, and presumably precluded another purchase.
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Post by Karma on Jan 5, 2019 18:17:14 GMT
Darmian and Rojo were told they were free to find new clubs. And bids were entered for them but rejected. Again (pretty sure i pointed this out in the summer)them being here is to do with the owners/woody not the manager. Darmian you are spot on, the money we wanted was just simply silly but Jose wanted rojo to stay especially if no one was coming in. However if Toby was available at £30 million then what can I say, just hope it wasn’t levy calling with an hour left of the window to say we could have the player knowing very well it was impossible to complete. They were both on track for leaving. They wanted 20 million for Darmian but none of the buyers would go there. When the penny dropped the club should have compromised. I understand them wanting a fair price but they should have backed down when they were getting nowhere. Everton fans thought Rojo was happening. This is on the gimps. Silly to blame anyone else. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:17:43 GMT
Darmian you are spot on, the money we wanted was just simply silly but Jose wanted rojo to stay especially if no one was coming in. However if Toby was available at £30 million then what can I say, just hope it wasn’t levy calling with an hour left of the window to say we could have the player knowing very well it was impossible to complete. If the actual transfer fee is agreed between the clubs & filed with FIFA, then the rest can be done after. Look at deals that are done long after the window closes. Woody shit himself when it came time to think about actually handing money over. Bit like going to an auction & bidding on stuff, with no intention of buying. Grief, didn’t realise that however I would think you want a medical with Toby. Anyway whichever way at that price deal should really have been done if he was available at that price, all I can think of is Ed didn’t want the player really. Fantasy football signings like varane just ain’t happening unless you have Zidane at the helm |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:18:05 GMT
Problem is there is still work to be done on the first team. Can't have a massive cull and still expect to do well. Dynamics, etc. Fix that in the summer and then fix the squad next jan/next summer. McT and co aren't going to hurt for another season really. If we are gonna keep players like that you need a coach, a darn good coach and not a feel good factor guy. Only time will tell if the current coaches can developer players but I hope so as some of them need serious time on the training ground and a lot of reflection time after training. I wasn't thinking along the lines of the next manager improving them, etc. Although that would be a bonus. I was thinking more that they won't kick up a stink if not played, so leave them where they are and spend the money available solely on the first team/XI. They will do some job for a season, when called upon (like today) and can then be replaced the next window (or 2,depending on injuries, etc) when the main issues are addressed. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:19:19 GMT
Darmian you are spot on, the money we wanted was just simply silly but Jose wanted rojo to stay especially if no one was coming in. However if Toby was available at £30 million then what can I say, just hope it wasn’t levy calling with an hour left of the window to say we could have the player knowing very well it was impossible to complete. They were both on track for leaving. They wanted 20 million but none of the buyers would go there. When the penny dropped the club should have compromised. I understand them wanting a fair price but they should have backed down when they were getting nowhere. Everton fans thought Rojo was happening. This is on the gimps. Silly to blame anyone else. Jose wanted rojo to stay as no one was coming in, owners are many things but there has to be perspective |
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 18:20:26 GMT
I don't believe any manager wants to ruin a player. They may have their favourites but on this performance it's not hard to see why Matic got so many games and he's actually been decent under a new manager. I'm not entirely convinced Perreria has enough to make it here. Fred has a big contract so I imagine he has enough time to show otherwise? Jose is petty enough to make things personal, however I don’t know if he thought pereira could be Mikel mk2? Mikel was an attacking mid turned DM and never fulfilled the teenage potential. Pereira at best is an attacking mid, he has no business playing the DM role. If the current coaches think he is a DM then good grief On Fred there are glimpses of a player but all I see is a player that can run, decent passing, I don’t really see a defensive side to his game yet, hopefully with time and games we will see the player in his pompI think he is going to come off the bench and score the winner against PSG |
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