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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:20:41 GMT
Everton wanted Rojo, and United were going to sell, but the player didn't want the move.
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:23:17 GMT
If we are gonna keep players like that you need a coach, a darn good coach and not a feel good factor guy. Only time will tell if the current coaches can developer players but I hope so as some of them need serious time on the training ground and a lot of reflection time after training. I wasn't thinking along the lines of the next manager improving them, etc. Although that would be a bonus. I was thinking more that they won't kick up a stink if not played, so leave them where they are and spend the money available solely on the first team/XI. They will do some job for a season, when called upon (like today) and can then be replaced the next window (or 2,depending on injuries, etc) when the main issues are addressed. Gotcha, i’d Farm them out. Pereira is outta contract in the summer so unless he has a future here then off he goes. Scott looked good under Jose but my concern with him is whilst I would say loan him out could his limitations be Seriouslu exposed in another team? I don’t know but i’d Let them both go now if there isn’t a plan to give them games and bring them through in their right positions. We need quality not quantity, been saying this for the last 2 years. If Jose could go back to when he first got offered the job I think that summer would have seen a massive clearout or Jose would have turned the job down. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:25:19 GMT
Everton wanted Rojo, and United were going to sell, but the player didn't want the move. So that’s 2 years in a row? As I know in Jose’s first season a deal for him to go was agreed and the player didn’t want to leave. This summer, club and Jose were happy for him to leave but Jose wanted someone to come in for the obvious reason (confidence lost is 3 defenders) |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:25:56 GMT
Jose is petty enough to make things personal, however I don’t know if he thought pereira could be Mikel mk2? Mikel was an attacking mid turned DM and never fulfilled the teenage potential. Pereira at best is an attacking mid, he has no business playing the DM role. If the current coaches think he is a DM then good grief On Fred there are glimpses of a player but all I see is a player that can run, decent passing, I don’t really see a defensive side to his game yet, hopefully with time and games we will see the player in his pompI think he is going to come off the bench and score the winner against PSG One can dream |
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Post by Karma on Jan 5, 2019 18:26:30 GMT
They were both on track for leaving. They wanted 20 million but none of the buyers would go there. When the penny dropped the club should have compromised. I understand them wanting a fair price but they should have backed down when they were getting nowhere. Everton fans thought Rojo was happening. This is on the gimps. Silly to blame anyone else. Jose wanted rojo to stay as no one was coming in, owners are many things but there has to be perspective I can fully understand him wanting him to stay when he realised a replacement wasn't happening especially when you consider how injury prone Jones is/Bailly's form/injuries. No one expected him to be so injury prone this season. |
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 18:26:51 GMT
If Fred is a flop - and there's plenty of time for him not to be - the scouting team and whoever else was involved need to be held to account. That was a serious chunk of change, even in today's market, and presumably precluded another purchase. Apparently he is only shit because the defence are shit  |
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Post by Karma on Jan 5, 2019 18:27:35 GMT
Everton wanted Rojo, and United were going to sell, but the player didn't want the move. Yeah I remember reading that at the time. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:28:12 GMT
I wasn't thinking along the lines of the next manager improving them, etc. Although that would be a bonus. I was thinking more that they won't kick up a stink if not played, so leave them where they are and spend the money available solely on the first team/XI. They will do some job for a season, when called upon (like today) and can then be replaced the next window (or 2,depending on injuries, etc) when the main issues are addressed. Gotcha, i’d Farm them out. Pereira is outta contract in the summer so unless he has a future here then off he goes. Scott looked good under Jose but my concern with him is whilst I would say loan him out could his limitations be Seriouslu exposed in another team? I don’t know but i’d Let them both go now if there isn’t a plan to give them games and bring them through in their right positions. We need quality not quantity, been saying this for the last 2 years. If Jose could go back to when he first got offered the job I think that summer would have seen a massive clearout or Jose would have turned the job down. You are right in regards quality vs quantity, but do you trust our players (current and future buys) to stay fit at all? Hence why i would keep those, that don't agitate for moves, just in case for a season at least. |
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Post by stilgar on Jan 5, 2019 18:29:00 GMT
So guess I am the only one who thought Pereira is worth persevering with? I thought he showed some nice touches and tried a few things. My impression was that he was maybe trying too hard to make an impression and that would be solved by some more game time. Same goes for Fred imo. McTominay just doesn’t have it though... Pereira had some nice long passes some of them was wasted because his teammates didn't run into the spaces he expected. His defending was quite weak and he played a little better after they switched with McTominay but his performance wasn't really convincing in this game. Although none of the players did shine.
I'm not sure we can learn much about the players from this game. I can't remember any game against much weaker opponents where our second/third lineup really turned up the heat and showed that they have place in the starting eleven. I'd like to see these players some more against stronger opponents in stronger lineups.
Fred must find the same wavelength with his teammates. The whole team seemed to be a little disjointed.
McTominay didn't look much in the game but on the whoscored he has the highest rating in the team and his stats are good so I guess his performance wasn't that bad.
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:31:18 GMT
Gotcha, i’d Farm them out. Pereira is outta contract in the summer so unless he has a future here then off he goes. Scott looked good under Jose but my concern with him is whilst I would say loan him out could his limitations be Seriouslu exposed in another team? I don’t know but i’d Let them both go now if there isn’t a plan to give them games and bring them through in their right positions. We need quality not quantity, been saying this for the last 2 years. If Jose could go back to when he first got offered the job I think that summer would have seen a massive clearout or Jose would have turned the job down. You are right in regards quality vs quantity, but do you trust our players (current and future buys) to stay fit at all? Hence why i would keep those, that don't agitate for moves, just in case for a season at least. Yeah makes sense |
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 18:32:09 GMT
I wasn't thinking along the lines of the next manager improving them, etc. Although that would be a bonus. I was thinking more that they won't kick up a stink if not played, so leave them where they are and spend the money available solely on the first team/XI. They will do some job for a season, when called upon (like today) and can then be replaced the next window (or 2,depending on injuries, etc) when the main issues are addressed. Gotcha, i’d Farm them out. Pereira is outta contract in the summer so unless he has a future here then off he goes. Scott looked good under Jose but my concern with him is whilst I would say loan him out could his limitations be Seriouslu exposed in another team? I don’t know but i’d Let them both go now if there isn’t a plan to give them games and bring them through in their right positions. We need quality not quantity, been saying this for the last 2 years. If Jose could go back to when he first got offered the job I think that summer would have seen a massive clearout or Jose would have turned the job down. Yes, but we need a quality squad. Too many weaknesses within the squad. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jan 5, 2019 18:32:18 GMT
Everton wanted Rojo, and United were going to sell, but the player didn't want the move. So that’s 2 years in a row? As I know in Jose’s first season a deal for him to go was agreed and the player didn’t want to leave. This summer, club and Jose were happy for him to leave but Jose wanted someone to come in for the obvious reason (confidence lost is 3 defenders) Summer 17 he stayed cos he was injured and did come back till November. Was this summer Everton put in a proper bid for him |
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Post by redcase on Jan 5, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
If Pereira can't get himself revved up for a game like this what's the point ? It's one thing if the rest of the team weren't on his wavelength but honestly , I didn't see much effort from his side to even try and take this game by the scruff of the neck. I don't understand the hype either. Fred also has a long way to go before he can establish himself in this team. I do hope the two of them improve though.
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 18:40:25 GMT
If Pereira can't get himself revved up for a game like this what's the point ? It's one thing if the rest of the team weren't on his wavelength but honestly , I didn't see much effort from his side to even try and take this game by the scruff of the neck. I don't understand the hype either. Fred also has a long way to go before he can establish himself in this team. I do hope the two of them improve though. Fred more so. Pereira is outta contract so unless he stays or shows form I don’t care about him too much anymore however playing him as a DM does the lad no favours |
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Post by redcase on Jan 5, 2019 18:42:08 GMT
If Pereira can't get himself revved up for a game like this what's the point ? It's one thing if the rest of the team weren't on his wavelength but honestly , I didn't see much effort from his side to even try and take this game by the scruff of the neck. I don't understand the hype either. Fred also has a long way to go before he can establish himself in this team. I do hope the two of them improve though. Fred more so. Pereira is outta contract so unless he stays or shows form I don’t care about him too much anymore however playing him as a DM does the lad no favours Today he was on the right I think ? Mctominay was doing the defensive work. Andreas didn't do anything of note , at all. I mean he gets a chance to play a position which suits him, yet he fails to give the manager a reason to use him more often. Its disappointing. |
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