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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 5, 2019 19:02:52 GMT
If Fred is a flop - and there's plenty of time for him not to be - the scouting team and whoever else was involved need to be held to account. That was a serious chunk of change, even in today's market, and presumably precluded another purchase. Did Ed not buy Fred and Sanchez because they were on City’s list? |
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Post by bushy1987 on Jan 5, 2019 19:13:31 GMT
Young players come and go like Andreas some make it some don't, I wanted him to get games under Jose and really progress but I just don't see anything in him that makes me think he's going to be a superstar, if him leaving in the summer means Chong or garner get his place in the squad I'm happy with that
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 5, 2019 19:18:55 GMT
Nobody covered themselves in any sort of glory today. Romero and Darmiam did what they had to do, but the likes of Andreas, Fred, Mata, Lukaku, Dalot, Sanchez were poor. Didn’t really think Chong did anything to warrant the hype today either. Doesn’t mean I think they all should be sold immediately, but when you are constantly giving the ball away and can’t run a home match against Championship relegation fodder, your slate is no longer clean. If decent offers came in for Mata, Lukaku or Sanchez, I’d take them. Fred, and Chong are worthy of more time due to the short time they’ve been here. Andreas needs to do something in the next 5 months to warrant a new contract. The ball is in their courts. Prove you belong here, or don’t be here.
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 19:26:00 GMT
Nobody covered themselves in any sort of glory today. Romero and Darmiam did what they had to do, but the likes of Andreas, Fred, Mata, Lukaku, Dalot, Sanchez were poor. Didn’t really think Chong did anything to warrant the hype today either. Doesn’t mean I think they all should be sold immediately, but when you are constantly giving the ball away and can’t run a home match against Championship relegation fodder, your slate is no longer clean. If decent offers came in for Mata, Lukaku or Sanchez, I’d take them. Fred, and Chong are worthy of more time due to the short time they’ve been here. Andreas needs to do something in the next 5 months to warrant a new contract. The ball is in their courts. Prove you belong here, or don’t be here. Surprised to see Mata in there! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:02:31 GMT
I do think it could be a little harsh to judge certain players based on a performance in a team full of a bunch of fringe players.
It was a poor performance and nobody stood out, no doubt about that but you need to also see how these players perform when they're actually amongst our better players. You had Mata today, one of the most loved players at the club and a player who we all know has plenty of ability playing like as much of a fucking drain as anyone today. Rashford is arguably our most in form player and played a good half hour, doing very little. Fred deserves another season to see if he can adapt. Pereira has still not had a huge amount of chances with us, that was just his 3rd start of the season and besides that the most he's played in one game was 45 minutes, the rest was 10 minutes or so here and there. |
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Post by mightyez on Jan 5, 2019 20:08:15 GMT
With mata really wish he could do a Bernardo Silva, David Silva or kdb and play in midfield. Very intelligent player but him on the right just doesn’t feel a perfect fit.
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 20:22:38 GMT
Watching Ole's post match interview was a joy. The lad just keeps getting better and better. What a breath of fresh air he is.
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Jan 5, 2019 20:41:44 GMT
Nobody covered themselves in any sort of glory today. Romero and Darmiam did what they had to do, but the likes of Andreas, Fred, Mata, Lukaku, Dalot, Sanchez were poor. Didn’t really think Chong did anything to warrant the hype today either. Doesn’t mean I think they all should be sold immediately, but when you are constantly giving the ball away and can’t run a home match against Championship relegation fodder, your slate is no longer clean. If decent offers came in for Mata, Lukaku or Sanchez, I’d take them. Fred, and Chong are worthy of more time due to the short time they’ve been here. Andreas needs to do something in the next 5 months to warrant a new contract. The ball is in their courts. Prove you belong here, or don’t be here. Surprised to see Mata in there! I don’t think he’s rubbish, just that he’s a squad player at best on a title winning side. He’s too slow to play on the wing and if we can get a decent fee which can be used to buy a proper winger or a CB I’d sell him. |
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Post by geo on Jan 5, 2019 23:17:37 GMT
Surprised to see Mata in there! I don’t think he’s rubbish, just that he’s a squad player at best on a title winning side. He’s too slow to play on the wing and if we can get a decent fee which can be used to buy a proper winger or a CB I’d sell him. Understood, I don't see him as an automatic starter either but I think he is a very valuable squad member who can start a reasonable number of games through a season and also be a fabulous impact player from the bench. Ole will teach him  In that sense we are probably fortunate to have him at this stage in his career as he will probably be happy to settle for that rather than be an uatomatic starter for a lesser club |
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Post by Karma on Jan 6, 2019 1:17:24 GMT
One of the things I love about Ole at the moment is his ability to talk coherently about the club in interviews, press-conferences etc. I'd have had a lot more patience with Jose if he wasn't always trying to pick fights with anybody who'd listen, slagging off his own players or reminding everybody about his past glories, whilst wrapping his point up in some sort of abstract riddle. It's a breath of fresh air just to have an idea of what's going through the manager's head and to have even a vague understanding of what's going on at the club. It was quite clear that he was in meltdown mode from the summer. He cut an angry and frustrated figure. Both him and the board were responsible for the fallout. Jose was always going out swinging. Not nice to see but he was never a yes man! |
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Post by caino on Jan 6, 2019 8:26:51 GMT
One of the things I love about Ole at the moment is his ability to talk coherently about the club in interviews, press-conferences etc. I'd have had a lot more patience with Jose if he wasn't always trying to pick fights with anybody who'd listen, slagging off his own players or reminding everybody about his past glories, whilst wrapping his point up in some sort of abstract riddle. It's a breath of fresh air just to have an idea of what's going through the manager's head and to have even a vague understanding of what's going on at the club. It was quite clear that he was in meltdown mode from the summer. He cut an angry and frustrated figure. Both him and the board were responsible for the fallout. Jose was always going out swinging. Not nice to see but he was never a yes man! are you havin an affair with Jose ? he was miserable in his first season and started arguments with players then. |
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Post by aussiegraham on Jan 6, 2019 8:52:17 GMT
It was quite clear that he was in meltdown mode from the summer. He cut an angry and frustrated figure. Both him and the board were responsible for the fallout. Jose was always going out swinging. Not nice to see but he was never a yes man! are you havin an affair with Jose ? he was miserable in his first season and started arguments with players then. He’s always been a cunt. It was funny when he was Chelsea’s, but then he became our very own and the novelty factor quickly wore off. On the other hand, Ole’s always been a legend. He remained so when at Cardiff, and no matter where his tenure leads us I’ve seen enough in the last few weeks to conclude that he will always remain so. Our performance was disjointed and stuttering, but Ole acknowledged that changes needed to be made and sterner tests are to come. At the end of the day we beat them, maintained our winning streak, are in Monday’s draw and kept a clean sheet. And I could actually hear the crowd singing, constantly, and loudly (that hasn’t been apparent at OT via telecasts for some considerable time). The history books will show we won 2-0. Embrace the 5th consecutive win and look forward to beating Spurs! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 9:30:15 GMT
F365 Says: Old habits die hard for Solskjaer’s fringe stars
Very little about Manchester United since Jose Mourinho’s departure has reflected well on their former manager but the Red Devils’ midfield in their FA Cup win over Reading suggested that perhaps his judgement wasn’t entirely skewed during his final months at Old Trafford.
In the four Premier League games since Ole Gunnar Solskjaer took over, with little to lose, the Norwegian has helped inspire individuals, no one more so than Paul Pogba while Ander Herrera and Nemanja Matic have also relished the fresh start under a less conservative regime.
The caretaker boss gave two more midfielders the platform to prove Mourinho wrong too, and another the chance to prove the ex-manager right. All three failed to make their point, leaving Solskajer’s first-choice engine room feeling as snug in their places as anyone can be at the start of a new era.
Aside from Matteo Darmian, few others in Solskjaer’s much-changed line-up seized their opportunity and Andreas Pereira and Fred demonstrated why Mourinho was reluctant to trust either Brazilian with a regular place in his team.
Pereira’s urgency to impress was perhaps greater than anyone else. He is almost four years and three managers on from his debut in United’s first team but he seems further from a regular place than ever before. Fred is a far fresher face but patience of the type afforded to an academy graduate will never be bestowed upon a £52million summer recruit. He too is struggling to carve out an Old Trafford career.
The visit of a Reading side in free-fall towards League One on the back of a 10-game winless run was the perfect opportunity for the Selecao pair to restore some credibility. At Old Trafford, the onus was on them and McTominay to set the tempo and drive United forward. Instead, the trio spent much of the game chasing Andy Rinomhota, Liam Kelly and John Swift.
Of the outfield Royals who finished the game, only one – 18-year-old centre-forward Danny Loader – had fewer touches on the ball than Periera and McTominay (Fred was hooked on the hour) while Rinomhota, Kelly and Swift all made double the number of passes compared to Solskjaer’s midfield three. Their dominance helped Reading enjoy 60 per cent of the possession at Old Trafford and had that quality in the midfield extended to the attacking third, then Solskjaer would not have been sitting quite so comfortably in the second period.
Pereira and McTominay came through United’s academy but neither are rookies. At 23 and 22 respectively, both are at least a year older than Marcus Rashford yet who really knows what outstanding qualities either offers?
Mourinho appreciated McTominay’s work-rate and his attitude which are both creditable traits but so much more is demanded of a United central midfielder. Another of the ex-manager’s favourites Matic has been able to alter his focus under new leadership; McTominay appears far less equipped to do the same.
By reputation, Pereira is a more technical operator, one comfortable in possession with a creative eye. In reality, we have yet to see that in Solskjaer, Mourinho or Louis van Gaal’s first-team and the Brazilian Tom Cleverley will surely have to start thinking with greater intent over the options he supposedly has away from Old Trafford.
Fred’s mitigation is that he is new to all this. He would not be the first South American midfielder to struggle in his debut season in the Premier League before eventually finding his feet in England. But anyone looking merely for encouragement over recent months has had a fruitless search. Mourinho said he could not afford to field the Brazil international while the defence behind him remained so flimsy and after today’s victory, Solskjaer might be similarly reluctant to take the risk. The 25-year-old was replaced minutes after being sent for a bus by Sone Aluko’s dummy on the edge of the United box, just prior to smashing a free-kick straight out of play when trying in vain to find Diogo Dalot.
The midfield’s struggles perhaps did not do the forward line many favours, but the pair with most to prove, Alexis Sanchez and Romelu Lukaku, did themselves little justice either.
While Old Trafford anticipated a Pogba-type revival from Sanchez, the Chilean was kept largely on the periphery before being withdrawn with what appeared to be another hamstring problem. Lukaku netted again but the centre-forward prompted more groans than gasps from an unusually boisterous crowd. ‘Redefine touch’ was the message beamed from the advertising boards and you could be forgiven for thinking it was a sentiment aimed directly at the £75million striker.
Still, this was not an afternoon without its bright spots for Solskjaer. A fifth victory, consecutive clean sheets, another youngster blooded, and momentum retained before the manager takes his squad to the sunshine of Dubai ahead of his first big test at Tottenham next week. By which time today’s midfield will be banished back to the sideline, where they appear destined to stay.
Ian Watson
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