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Post by safariRed on Feb 13, 2019 9:24:21 GMT
Thought we matched them well in the first half. It was a typical cagey big OT European first leg first half. Lingard emphasised why I will never truly like him. Final ball and decision-making is appalling. Was quite looking forward to seeing Sanchez on the right for a change and of course Martial went and got injured as well. We barely used Martial while he was on the pitch it felt like. Loads of times he made a run and we didn't even try the pass. Almost seemed like a tactic as if we were waiting until the second half to get him going at a tiring full back. Probably wasn't. Those two enforced changes killed the game for us. You could see PSG immediately push higher without the counter-attacking threat on both flanks. Hadn't thought about it during the game but suggestions of bringing Lukaku on to push Rashford wide could have been a good idea. Referee was shite. Sensed a red card was coming at some point from early on. The fuck is the point of VAR if Kimpembe somehow stays on the pitch though. Bloody hate the away goals rule. Tie is over already. No point going to Paris. PSG are a good side. Ah well. I agree with what you're saying 100%, though I'd also add that our lack of experience in big European games was there for all to see. We have not played the champions league consistently enough over the last 6 years. PSG could afford to have their best players out and still get a result, which says more about their experience at this level than our lack of quality. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2019 9:33:30 GMT
Thought we matched them well in the first half. It was a typical cagey big OT European first leg first half. Lingard emphasised why I will never truly like him. Final ball and decision-making is appalling. Was quite looking forward to seeing Sanchez on the right for a change and of course Martial went and got injured as well. We barely used Martial while he was on the pitch it felt like. Loads of times he made a run and we didn't even try the pass. Almost seemed like a tactic as if we were waiting until the second half to get him going at a tiring full back. Probably wasn't. Those two enforced changes killed the game for us. You could see PSG immediately push higher without the counter-attacking threat on both flanks. Hadn't thought about it during the game but suggestions of bringing Lukaku on to push Rashford wide could have been a good idea. Referee was shite. Sensed a red card was coming at some point from early on. The fuck is the point of VAR if Kimpembe somehow stays on the pitch though. Bloody hate the away goals rule. Tie is over already. No point going to Paris. PSG are a good side. Ah well. I agree with what you're saying 100%, though I'd also add that our lack of experience in big European games was there for all to see. We have not played the champions league consistently enough over the last 6 years. PSG could afford to have their best players out and still get a result, which says more about their experience at this level than our lack of quality. We look like a team who has been flirting with Europe and tbf we have. We got dumped out early from an easy group in Fergies last few seasons. Even with the Madrid game I don’t think we had enough quality to seriously challenge had we gone through. The CL sorts the men from the boys. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Feb 13, 2019 10:21:49 GMT
Thought we matched them well in the first half. It was a typical cagey big OT European first leg first half. Lingard emphasised why I will never truly like him. Final ball and decision-making is appalling. Was quite looking forward to seeing Sanchez on the right for a change and of course Martial went and got injured as well. We barely used Martial while he was on the pitch it felt like. Loads of times he made a run and we didn't even try the pass. Almost seemed like a tactic as if we were waiting until the second half to get him going at a tiring full back. Probably wasn't. Those two enforced changes killed the game for us. You could see PSG immediately push higher without the counter-attacking threat on both flanks. Hadn't thought about it during the game but suggestions of bringing Lukaku on to push Rashford wide could have been a good idea. Referee was shite. Sensed a red card was coming at some point from early on. The fuck is the point of VAR if Kimpembe somehow stays on the pitch though. Bloody hate the away goals rule. Tie is over already. No point going to Paris. PSG are a good side. Ah well. I agree with what you're saying 100%, though I'd also add that our lack of experience in big European games was there for all to see. We have not played the champions league consistently enough over the last 6 years. PSG could afford to have their best players out and still get a result, which says more about their experience at this level than our lack of quality. Second leg vs. Olympiakos under Moyes is still the only knockout CL game we've won since Spring 2011. That's arguably the most damning stat of our near-decade of floundering. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2019 10:28:55 GMT
I agree with what you're saying 100%, though I'd also add that our lack of experience in big European games was there for all to see. We have not played the champions league consistently enough over the last 6 years. PSG could afford to have their best players out and still get a result, which says more about their experience at this level than our lack of quality. Second leg vs. Olympiakos under Moyes is still the only knockout CL game we've won since Spring 2011. That's arguably the most damning stat of our near-decade of floundering. We are somewhere between EL and CL level imo. Some may mock the EL but we are where we are. |
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Post by ratbag on Feb 13, 2019 10:33:55 GMT
Fuck me...we all know that the squad is overloaded with bang average players and needs a clearout but do we have to keep banging on about it at every opportunity...it is really getting tired... No I’d much rather we talk about how shit Sanchez and Lukaku is every game instead? Ever thought some might be fed up of that being regurgitated every game instead? Or how negative Jose was and how much better we are now? Or any of the other stuff that gets constantly brought up game after game ? People in glass houses..... Not sure if the glass houses is aimed at me, I guess so...I don't believe I have banged on at every opportunity about Sanchez, Lukaku and the negative Jose...maybe you will do a search and find some stuff but I try not to keep saying the same thing over and over..especially when it is self evident... As it happens, I agree with you but I did that the first time you wrote it. Writing it another hundred times doesn't make me agree any more... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:37:11 GMT
Comical defending for the corner, but De gea could have done better there himself. Best keeper in the world, but if there's one aspect of his game needs improving it's dealing with crosses. He absolutely had to go for that deep corner.
No . He expected, rightly so, that Matic would do his job there.
Just watch the video again and see how the ball floats above Pogba's head. That's where it had to be intercepted by the keeper, long before the ball simply drops for the tap in.
I'd argue that he should expect Matic's defensive incompetence in dealing with crosses, but that's a moot point.
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Post by Stew on Feb 13, 2019 10:42:02 GMT
Thought we matched them well in the first half. It was a typical cagey big OT European first leg first half. Lingard emphasised why I will never truly like him. Final ball and decision-making is appalling. Was quite looking forward to seeing Sanchez on the right for a change and of course Martial went and got injured as well. We barely used Martial while he was on the pitch it felt like. Loads of times he made a run and we didn't even try the pass. Almost seemed like a tactic as if we were waiting until the second half to get him going at a tiring full back. Probably wasn't. Those two enforced changes killed the game for us. You could see PSG immediately push higher without the counter-attacking threat on both flanks. Hadn't thought about it during the game but suggestions of bringing Lukaku on to push Rashford wide could have been a good idea. Referee was shite. Sensed a red card was coming at some point from early on. The fuck is the point of VAR if Kimpembe somehow stays on the pitch though. Bloody hate the away goals rule. Tie is over already. No point going to Paris. PSG are a good side. Ah well. Nail on the head. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:47:23 GMT
Thinking about it, I'm not overly concerned or bothered about that loss last night. We need a few changes here and there but overall we appear to be on the right track.
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2019 11:11:29 GMT
No I’d much rather we talk about how shit Sanchez and Lukaku is every game instead? Ever thought some might be fed up of that being regurgitated every game instead? Or how negative Jose was and how much better we are now? Or any of the other stuff that gets constantly brought up game after game ? People in glass houses..... Not sure if the glass houses is aimed at me, I guess so...I don't believe I have banged on at every opportunity about Sanchez, Lukaku and the negative Jose...maybe you will do a search and find some stuff but I try not to keep saying the same thing over and over..especially when it is self evident... As it happens, I agree with you but I did that the first time you wrote it. Writing it another hundred times doesn't make me agree any more... But equally I get exasperated when I go to the Transfer thread and continually see comments about all these great prospects we should sign but the reality is there’s a good chance 95 % aren’t happening because we have a bloated squad we refuse to address which hinders our transfer activity! So some clearly aren’t getting it? Until we shift the 💩 we will continue to be a club flirting with the 6 club alliance and very little else. Ryan Sessegnon is a left sided player to my knowledge but only a few days ago I read that we should sign him because he’s a great prospect. We can’t even buy players for the positions we need never mind finding a place for a player who would be in Martial’s role. If he is bought as competition for him then that’s different but we all know the gimps aren’t going to spend that kind of money for 2 players to slug it out for the left side. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 13, 2019 11:15:26 GMT
I want us to be relevant in Europe again but first we need to prioritize the league. To be in the title race will require at least 3 to 4 world class signings. This game in a way was a good reality check for Ed and the board. I’m just hoping that it will trigger a reaction to clear some deadwood and buy quality players this summer.
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2019 11:20:47 GMT
I want us to be relevant in Europe again but first we need to prioritize the league. To be in the title race will require at least 3 to 4 world class signings. This game in a way was a good reality check for Ed and the board. I’m just hoping that it will trigger a reaction to clear some deadwood and buy quality players this summer. I don’t even think they need to be world class. Liverpool don’t have them throughout the squad. But the fact that Shaw aside we lined up with Smalling, Jones and De Gea against Fulham. All from Fergies era. Thankfully Valencia didn’t complete the set. We won’t win another league until the deadweight has gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:00:25 GMT
I want us to be relevant in Europe again but first we need to prioritize the league. To be in the title race will require at least 3 to 4 world class signings. This game in a way was a good reality check for Ed and the board. I’m just hoping that it will trigger a reaction to clear some deadwood and buy quality players this summer. Are these actually capable of translating what we so last night to constructive measures? Are they actually interested in getting us any higher than just making the top 4? |
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Post by Stew on Feb 13, 2019 12:12:16 GMT
I want us to be relevant in Europe again but first we need to prioritize the league. To be in the title race will require at least 3 to 4 world class signings. This game in a way was a good reality check for Ed and the board. I’m just hoping that it will trigger a reaction to clear some deadwood and buy quality players this summer. Are these actually capable of translating what we so last night to constructive measures? Are they actually interested in getting us any higher than just making the top 4? We’ll find out soon enough. In 3 out of the last 4 summer windows we’ve spent a lot of money. Not the most money but large chunks. Not all of it well but still. For me last summer is the key. Was it because the board thought giving it to an increasingly toxic manager was a waste or was it more worrying than that? Hopefully it’s because they didn’t want to give any more to Jose. Anything else and it’s difficult to see a way out of this mess. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 13, 2019 12:27:59 GMT
I want us to be relevant in Europe again but first we need to prioritize the league. To be in the title race will require at least 3 to 4 world class signings. This game in a way was a good reality check for Ed and the board. I’m just hoping that it will trigger a reaction to clear some deadwood and buy quality players this summer. Are these actually capable of translating what we so last night to constructive measures? Are they actually interested in getting us any higher than just making the top 4? Is the million dollar question? However we are are in danger of losing the quality players with this lack of ambition and keeping only those who know they wouldn't get a better deal elsewhere! Rooney alluded to it in 2010 when he chucked his toys out of the pram. He went the wrong way about it but he was absolutely correct even if his motivations were suspect. We keep hearing De Gea is going to sign. One of our world class players who we can't afford to lose is still yet to sign a new deal. If he hasn't signed by the summer we are going to have to sell him because there's no way the gimps will let him leave for free. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:38:15 GMT
Thinking about it, I'm not overly concerned or bothered about that loss last night. We need a few changes here and there but overall we appear to be on the right track. Got the same feeling 2bh, usually would be pissed off but I'm not. Think the run of results under Ole clouded this game for me giving me more hope than perhaps we should have had. All I'm hoping is we build from this and don't slump and struggle over the next few games. Really want us giving those scouse cunts a hiding and an overdue win at the bridge would be nice as well. |
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