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Post by caino on Aug 24, 2019 22:12:27 GMT
Two missed penalties - score those and we beat Wokves and draw with palace. That might be papering over the cracks but with 2 decent pens we’d be on 7 points from 3 matches. It’s baffling how we can’t consistently score pens when our rivals can. It should be a free tally on your goal record. Top players pad there records out with pens. Why is our team so incapable. We’re a laughing stock |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Aug 24, 2019 22:51:42 GMT
I think the most disturbing thing about the past few years is that I’m no longer shocked by our poor results. We are an absolute joke of a club at the moment.
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Post by Kojak on Aug 24, 2019 23:12:51 GMT
We’ve got such a long way to go. All the good work against Chelsea immediately undone.
Worst thing is, watching Liverpool being so far ahead as a team, we used to be like that.
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Post by Monty on Aug 25, 2019 0:04:53 GMT
I only watched the highlights but it looked like the same old same old. It looked like we should have won comfortably, beut we didn't, because we don't do that anymore apparently. It's all well and good blaming a shit ref, or a dumb fuck in charge of VAR, or bad luck, or individual error, or wrong subs at the wrong time, or whatever. This club is rotten at the core and the rot seeps into everything. It certainly seems to be inside the players heads. The old adage that you make your own luck is true, in the sense that positivity begets positivity. There certainly aren't many positive things coming out of the club at the moment. Nothing but a stench of negativity that won't go away.
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Post by Monty on Aug 25, 2019 0:18:17 GMT
It's also seriously depressing seeing how well Mason Mount is adjusting to PL football, and watching James Maddison continue to impress while we still have Lingard starting for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 3:35:51 GMT
We’ve got such a long way to go. All the good work against Chelsea immediately undone. Worst thing is, watching Liverpool being so far ahead as a team, we used to be like that. People are over estimating the Chelsea result a bit. Granted it was a cracking result but the score flattered us a lot and didn't tell the whole story. The only difference was we took the chances we had and they didn't. It could have been a lot different. It was only until after the 2nd goal we pulled away from it. See plenty of excuses for this game, it was the refs fault, the squad is young, we didn't get a midfielder in the summer. All the excuses are irrelevant because we should be beating teams like Palace at Old Trafford and there's certain no excuse for playing like that. Regardless of our shit midfield we should be scoring against this lot. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 25, 2019 3:45:21 GMT
There isn’t a manager in world football who could make a silk purse from the sow’s ear that is this squad. Ole took Lingard off and brought on Greenwood who didn’t do anything. Mata shouldn’t have been given a new contract because he grinds everything to a halt. Perreira vaguely resembles Pirlo in name only and Fred/Sanchez don’t remember how to play football. It’s all well and good to shout about the deficiencies of Lingard, and he obviously has them, but thanks to Ed, that’s the best we got. Not sure what Ole is supposed to do. He’s supposed to manage the game. I love Ole and that will never change regardless of what happens next but that was a Roy Hodgeson team at old Trafford and we barely made them sweat. Yeh our squad isn’t top 4 material as i myself have pointed out but we should have been beating them today. Yes, we should be beating the likes of Palace, especially at home, but how is Ole supposed to manage the game? By swapping underperforming players who can’t dribble past their man or pass to another player in a red shirt with another underperforming player who can’t dribble past their man or pass to another player in a red shirt? There isn’t a saviour on the bench who can change things and tactics are deck chairs on the Titanic type stuff. I’m down with the anger and vitriol but direct it at the players and the board. Not Ole. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 25, 2019 3:49:00 GMT
Two missed penalties - score those and we beat Wokves and draw with palace. That might be papering over the cracks but with 2 decent pens we’d be on 7 points from 3 matches. Fairly high chance we don’t concede the second today if we’re 2-1 up, so it could very likely be 9 from 3 matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 4:13:46 GMT
Also, fuck VAR. It will be used against us.
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Post by safariRed on Aug 25, 2019 4:55:13 GMT
Fred needs to be given a chance. We paid 50 million plus for him so might as well see what we have in him. I won’t blame Ole at this point but if the string of results continue than the finger is slowing going to be pointed at him. We've won 3 of our last 14 games I think. How are you not questioning him? I said it in the Wolves thread, Ole has nothing to offer us tactically. Roy played the exact same formation as Wolves did and got a result. Some said Ole is still learning but if thats the best he can conjure tactically then we might not have to worry about him for too long. I couldnt believe my ears when CP scored and the comentator said that it was the first goal they had scored at OT in 15 years!!!!!!!! Not only that but they went on to win. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:30:24 GMT
Fred needs to be given a chance. We paid 50 million plus for him so might as well see what we have in him. I won’t blame Ole at this point but if the string of results continue than the finger is slowing going to be pointed at him. We've won 3 of our last 14 games I think. How are you not questioning him? I said it in the Wolves thread, Ole has nothing to offer us tactically. Roy played the exact same formation as Wolves did and got a result. Some said Ole is still learning but if thats the best he can conjure tactically then we might not have to worry about him for too long. I couldnt believe my ears when CP scored and the comentator said that it was the first goal they had scored at OT in 15 years!!!!!!!! Not only that but they went on to win. Score two pens and we probably have 9 points, he also can't help De Gea losing all ability and he certainly can't help Woodward be less than useless. His tactics have been fine which is why we can't turn on him. There's nowhere to go after Ole. No one will magically turn this around. We've got a few more years of Liverpooling left in us yet. |
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Post by safariRed on Aug 25, 2019 7:50:57 GMT
We've won 3 of our last 14 games I think. How are you not questioning him? I said it in the Wolves thread, Ole has nothing to offer us tactically. Roy played the exact same formation as Wolves did and got a result. Some said Ole is still learning but if thats the best he can conjure tactically then we might not have to worry about him for too long. I couldnt believe my ears when CP scored and the comentator said that it was the first goal they had scored at OT in 15 years!!!!!!!! Not only that but they went on to win. Score two pens and we probably have 9 points, he also can't help De Gea losing all ability and he certainly can't help Woodward be less than useless. His tactics have been fine which is why we can't turn on him. There's nowhere to go after Ole. No one will magically turn this around. We've got a few more years of Liverpooling left in us yet. We seem to have developed a fetish of shooting ourselves in the foot. Woodward and the Glazers are hell bent on stopping us from being successful, but everyone has to be accountable. Ole should have at least fought to keep Ander at the club, but since he's distanced himself from that aspect of management he has to take responsibility for the results. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 25, 2019 8:15:58 GMT
I think the most disturbing thing about the past few years is that I’m no longer shocked by our poor results. We are an absolute joke of a club at the moment. This is the key for me. A loss under Fergie was usually devastating because the stakes were so high, we were always in a title race and you never knew if it was going to be costly. In work myself and the other Utd fans would stew for days after a defeat. It’s amazing how quickly the air of invincibility can disappear if you let it. That idiot Moyes started it but Woodward has let it, the Glazers have let it. What takes decades can be lost in a matter of months. I don’t want to be overly dramatic but it’s similar to the last days of the Roman Empire. Previously subservient enemies sense weakness and pounce, whereas before they wouldn’t have dared. You have teams like Palace, Newcastle, Soton all coming to OT and having a proper go when previously they’d hope to get out without getting a hiding. This period will be something we’ll read about for years. I’ve spoken to my old man about the relegation period and he said it was something you’d never even believe was possible because we’d been so strong but it was a gradual thing, we didn’t go from 1st to last in a year, it was the eroding of values, the wrong managerial appointments, players not being replaced which culminated in the unthinkable. I don’t think we’ll get relegated but it doesn’t take much to see us finishing 8th or 9th this year in all honesty. And for a club like Utd, that’s as close as we should ever get. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 25, 2019 8:19:21 GMT
And none of this changes because the hierarchy don’t care. Winning is a pleasant surprise for them but not a prerequisite.
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Post by juanveron on Aug 25, 2019 8:40:32 GMT
Plus, there’s always a manager to throw under the bus.
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