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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 24, 2019 19:45:28 GMT
Pretty sure Simeone and co were given money. Or did Joao Felix pay for his own transfer? Free rebuilds and all that. Still, carry on thinking all this will be solved by a new manager. I think Bestie and Stewart's rebuild comments were aimed at Woowar rather than Ole, but maybe they can correct me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:46:42 GMT
Holy shit, literally the fucking post after. Kill me now. Karma fucks me off no end with her constant agenda ridden shit but at least she's consistent and doesn't waver in her opinion from minute to minute. Jesus. My comment? I'm not waivering at all. You can back somebody but question something they do or say. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:46:47 GMT
Not going to repeat the general disappointment with our performance. A huge positive is the flashes of brilliance from our youngsters. Williams had a stinker but my god did he take his goal brilliantly. Had little time to think what to do when that clearance landed to his feet. It was pure instinct. He saw the goal and bang. Fucking wonderful. Unfortunately, this highlights an issue on the other flank. I’m a huge AWB fan, but if he continues to be useless in attack then we may have gambled on the wrong horse here. I hope he can be coached into some sort of attacking threat as he is (normally) brilliant defensively, but right now this is not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:47:04 GMT
His comment was more than valid. He's able to have a balanced opinion, we were shit but showed some desire and determination to get back into it which we might not have done in the same situation at the end of last season. Don't understand what is wrong with that?
So what did you want him to say then? Be ultra negative about it all and do the kind of shit Mourinho got panned for last season?
The contradictions from most of you lot are just laughable from post to fucking post.
Im not contradiction myself at all. I'm saying it as I see it. I don't want him to be negative at all which is ironic because that negativity added to costing us the game. I just don't get what comparing us to last season achieves, I'm focusing on the overall performance as a game lasts 90 minutes not 7. We showed fight for all of 7 minutes. Had those lazy bastard's on the pitch done their jobs in the first place we wouldn't have been in that position. I'm still firmly behind Ole so there's certainly no contradiction from me. I just don't see after that shit show how comparing us to last season helps when overall we're in a worse position atm. I meant negative in terms of his comments after the game. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 24, 2019 19:47:49 GMT
If Ole was given Moyes team, and failed, then fair enough.
But given that this is the weakest/shittest/whatever squad since the 80s you would have thought there would be some leeway. Especially since most Ole detractors have admitted this.
Nope.
Still, we all know Ole will be sacked. He will probably survive till its mathematically impossible to qualify for the CL - like his predecessors. Let's face it, he hasn't done a Jose.
Plenty will rejoice. But I cannot wait to fucking see the reactions when the chosen one, and the one after that also fails. And the mental gymnastics that will have to be done to fucking support them when the same fucking shit occurs in the future.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 24, 2019 19:48:18 GMT
Pretty sure Simeone and co were given money. Or did Joao Felix pay for his own transfer? Free rebuilds and all that. Still, carry on thinking all this will be solved by a new manager. I think Bestie and Stewart's rebuild comments were aimed at Woowar rather than Ole, but maybe they can correct me. Hard to tell any more |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:49:44 GMT
Im not contradiction myself at all. I'm saying it as I see it. I don't want him to be negative at all which is ironic because that negativity added to costing us the game. I just don't get what comparing us to last season achieves, I'm focusing on the overall performance as a game lasts 90 minutes not 7. We showed fight for all of 7 minutes. Had those lazy bastard's on the pitch done their jobs in the first place we wouldn't have been in that position. I'm still firmly behind Ole so there's certainly no contradiction from me. I just don't see after that shit show how comparing us to last season helps when overall we're in a worse position atm. I meant negative in terms of his comments after the game. I'd rather he said nothing 2bh. Perhaps its the way I'm looking at it, just don't understand the comparison as we're in a worse position now. Being negative won't achieve anything. We saw that with Mourinho. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
I meant negative in terms of his comments after the game. I'd rather he said nothing 2bh. Perhaps its the way I'm looking at it, just don't understand the comparison as we're in a worse position now. Being negative won't achieve anything. We saw that with Mourinho. I honestly think his after game comments are always on points in terms of judging the game. He never pretends we played well when we didn't, no exception. He does try and find some positivity and I see no problem with that either, Fergie would've sure as hell praised the team for the fightback if he was in charge, I know that for certain. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:52:37 GMT
If Ole was given Moyes team, and failed, then fair enough. But given that this is the weakest/shittest/whatever squad since the 80s you would have thought there would be some leeway. Especially since most Ole detractors have admitted this. Nope. Still, we all know Ole will be sacked. He will probably survive till its mathematically impossible to qualify for the CL - like his predecessors. Let's face it, he hasn't done a Jose. Plenty will rejoice. But I cannot wait to fucking see the reactions when the chosen one, and the one after that also fails. And the mental gymnastics that will have to be done to fucking support them when the same fucking shit occurs in the future. Said about this earlier. 4 managers and the same shit has happened under each one. That's gotta tell you something. Unfortunately the blame is centered around the manager, sacked then all is forgiven until the next one gets chopped. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Nov 24, 2019 19:59:56 GMT
If Ole was given Moyes team, and failed, then fair enough. But given that this is the weakest/shittest/whatever squad since the 80s you would have thought there would be some leeway. Especially since most Ole detractors have admitted this. Nope. Still, we all know Ole will be sacked. He will probably survive till its mathematically impossible to qualify for the CL - like his predecessors. Let's face it, he hasn't done a Jose. Plenty will rejoice. But I cannot wait to fucking see the reactions when the chosen one, and the one after that also fails. And the mental gymnastics that will have to be done to fucking support them when the same fucking shit occurs in the future. Said about this earlier. 4 managers and the same shit has happened under each one. That's gotta tell you something. Unfortunately the blame is centered around the manager, sacked then all is forgiven until the next one gets chopped. No, Ole should be turning Pereira, Lingard and co into world beaters. The next guy will definitely do so though. Promise. Otherwise we will blame the owners and CEO for a while, then blame the manager for not turning the same squad into the nu-Barca. And the circle of shite (v5) will be complete. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:03:06 GMT
I'd rather he said nothing 2bh. Perhaps its the way I'm looking at it, just don't understand the comparison as we're in a worse position now. Being negative won't achieve anything. We saw that with Mourinho. I honestly think his after game comments are always on points in terms of judging the game. He never pretends we played well when we didn't, no exception. He does try and find some positivity and I see no problem with that either, Fergie would've sure as hell praised the team for the fightback if he was in charge, I know that for certain. I have no doubt he would. It's the sheer frustration of that short spell showing how deadly we can be going at sidrd and throwing it all away again shortly after. Proper fucked me off. I've no issue with him being positive (coming from 2 down to even draw after that performance is a positive). Just didn't understand why some of it was said is all. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:05:54 GMT
What standard is our squad? Top 6 at best I'd say.
Where are we right now? 9th but just 2 points off 5th and could jump up there any given week. So we want to sack a manager who is still very much in a position to get this side into the position they currently belong.
It just beggars belief. Honestly, if we finish 4th this season he'd have exceeded expectations with this side, 5th or 6th is standard and round about where we are.
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Post by bushy1987 on Nov 24, 2019 20:13:19 GMT
What standard is our squad? Top 6 at best I'd say. Where are we right now? 9th but just 2 points off 5th and could jump up there any given week. So we want to sack a manager who is still very much in a position to get this side into the position they currently belong. It just beggars belief. Honestly, if we finish 4th this season he'd have exceeded expectations with this side, 5th or 6th is standard and round about where we are. Ur being kind saying its even top 6, the fact we had to play Phil Jones today who was clearly not good enough once fergie had left, young is still in the squad despite him being not good enough about 8 years ago tells u all we need to know about this club, Jesse Lingard when fergie was in charge gets sold to Sunderland for 2mil, Andreas goes the same way, Fred is not a prem player that's plane as day, we had a young kid at lb, rashford is being made as the main man at 22 which is ridiculous, the best player in the world well in his own head pogba is getting a tan, what do people expect. Is ole the right man to take us forward probably not, he's not been given the same tools as the previous managers. Ed has screwed him over big time. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 24, 2019 20:14:22 GMT
I think Bestie and Stewart's rebuild comments were aimed at Woowar rather than Ole, but maybe they can correct me. Hard to tell any more Mine at least are aimed at Ed for the most part. But in part also at Ole's constant positive PR spin. Managerial ability aside Ole is part of the problem now. |
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Post by . on Nov 24, 2019 20:25:54 GMT
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Ole to publicly condemn the owners and Woodward. Have there been many examples of managers talking shit about the person who can fire them (serious question)?
This is a 6th or 7th place side with Pogba and McTominay fit. They are not Top 4. If we get some new blood in January then we could expect a top 4 finish. Without? No chance, and everyone knows it.
Ole said about all he could in that conference: our performance overall was not good enough, no shots on target first half is unacceptable- but Williams took his chance well and the fight back showed some spirit that was lacking last term. None of that is controversial.
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