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Post by Karma on Jul 12, 2021 6:35:51 GMT
Am I the only one surprised by how long mount stayed on the pitch considering he how he just wasn’t offering anything? When out in perspective England had the easiest route to the finals and I just hope the fact they lost when they played a proper proper team doesn’t knock their confidence. Massive missed opportunity, easy for me to say but I really would have changed systems at half time as it was nailed on Italy would do something different. The invisible man. Just like the manager. |
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Post by oscared on Jul 12, 2021 6:40:14 GMT
Great start then a shocking second half sitting back and inviting a good side to attack, Mount was useless and had a bad tournament overall, poor management lost England that game.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 6:40:32 GMT
Oh and Kane didn’t show up when needed in that final Kane had absolutely nothing in support to be completely fair to him. How's he supposed to do anything when he's got Mount and Sterling as the only attacking options beside him? Rice and Phillips are the embodiment of mediocre. If we are anywhere close to thinking about Rice for this club then Ole and everyone else can once again go fuck themselves with a tyre iron. The stats in this case do not lie. Italy had more attackers in their team and were the only ones willing to do anything resembling football. Southgate is fucking worse than Ole. Look at the fucking team he has at his disposal. At least Ole can say he's got a poorer squad but this guy has some of the best attacking talent in football and he starts the game with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. He's a fucking talentless chancer and the English media and pundits do not have a clue. |
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Post by Kojak on Jul 12, 2021 7:03:54 GMT
Oh and Kane didn’t show up when needed in that final Kane had absolutely nothing in support to be completely fair to him. How's he supposed to do anything when he's got Mount and Sterling as the only attacking options beside him? Rice and Phillips are the embodiment of mediocre. If we are anywhere close to thinking about Rice for this club then Ole and everyone else can once again go fuck themselves with a tyre iron. The stats in this case do not lie. Italy had more attackers in their team and were the only ones willing to do anything resembling football. Southgate is fucking worse than Ole. Look at the fucking team he has at his disposal. At least Ole can say he's got a poorer squad but this guy has some of the best attacking talent in football and he starts the game with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. He's a fucking talentless chancer and the English media and pundits do not have a clue. Thought Kane was good first half when England were good. Second half England sat deep, tried to see it out and weren’t getting forward into the same areas as the first. He had no support on the occasions he did get the ball. That game was there to be won first half. The Italians had got to grips with England second half and Southgate failed to adapt. Talk all day about how good the Italians are, but that game was there for England. Even when the Italians were in the ascendency, they weren’t carving England open. They didn’t have many chances themselves. What separated the two teams last night was the management. Weirdly, I think Jordan Pickford is worth a mention. Let’s be fair, the lad has been absolutely rubbish for at least three years. Not even making minor errors, but absolute howlers. Thought he had a great tournament barring the goal Denmark scored. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him in that shootout either. I’m actually surprised he never took a penalty, given he scored in the shootout against Switzerland. |
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Post by mightyez on Jul 12, 2021 7:11:09 GMT
My issue with Kane is really the fact he just didn’t adapt, England is not Spurs, his primary job was to get the goals really, at times he dropped so deep it left no one in the box.
This wasn’t just one game it was most.
There is no denying his talent but I think he should have made a slight change for the sake of the team.
Ultimately Southgate really should have gone for broke in the final.
I am always of the opinion when a formation change catches the opposition out you then need to change again at half time as they will adapt and likely recover.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 7:12:32 GMT
Kane had absolutely nothing in support to be completely fair to him. How's he supposed to do anything when he's got Mount and Sterling as the only attacking options beside him? Rice and Phillips are the embodiment of mediocre. If we are anywhere close to thinking about Rice for this club then Ole and everyone else can once again go fuck themselves with a tyre iron. The stats in this case do not lie. Italy had more attackers in their team and were the only ones willing to do anything resembling football. Southgate is fucking worse than Ole. Look at the fucking team he has at his disposal. At least Ole can say he's got a poorer squad but this guy has some of the best attacking talent in football and he starts the game with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. He's a fucking talentless chancer and the English media and pundits do not have a clue. Thought Kane was good first half when England were good. Second half England sat deep, tried to see it out and weren’t getting forward into the same areas as the first. He had no support on the occasions he did get the ball. That game was there to be won first half. The Italians had got to grips with England second half and Southgate failed to adapt. Talk all day about how good the Italians are, but that game was there for England. Even when the Italians were in the ascendency, they weren’t carving England open. They didn’t have many chances themselves. What separated the two teams last night was the management. Weirdly, I think Jordan Pickford is worth a mention. Let’s be fair, the lad has been absolutely rubbish for at least three years. Not even making minor errors, but absolute howlers. Thought he had a great tournament barring the goal Denmark scored. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him in that shootout either. I’m actually surprised he never took a penalty, given he scored in the shootout against Switzerland. Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Jul 12, 2021 7:15:43 GMT
Southgate was completely out thought tonight. England were on top in the first half, but as soon as Italy changed it he had no answer at all. How many goals/assists on the bench between Rashford, Grealish and Sancho this season? Didn’t trust them to play more than a handful of minutes tonight. Two of those players will likely move for a combined £160m this summer but they can’t get on over a struggling out of position Mount. I feel bad for Saka. That pressure on young shoulders. But that change was garbage. Huge element of negativity behind it. He had an awful game, he’ll have known he had an awful game, and then he takes the fifth penalty. End of the day, Italy would kill for some of those England attacking players. Most other nations would. They’re all sat on the bench. I think Southgate deserves alot of credit for how he's done with England after the mess he inherited. He knew youth was the way forward and weeded out the hanger ons. In my opinion he's the most competent manager they have had in years, I just think he's too conservative in big moments. He just didn't react to the situation last night, he made one sub in the 2nd half, knowing that Italy were totally dominant and England were struggling to get out of there own half. You can't just sit there and hope it works out. Sometimes you have to gamble and go out on your shield and that's what Manchini did. He realised Kane was a big problem and changed the tactics to snuff him out. The game was calling out for a Grealish or Sancho coming on to ask questions of there midfield. For that reason they deserved to lose on penalties because they were playing for them by full time. I think overall, Italy deserved to win the tournament, they had the harder draw and have been the best team throughout. There's alot of good players in that England team especially up front and there defensive players are of a very high quality. They only conceeded 2 goals all tournament. The problem is central midfield and the lack of a playmaker or someone who can play a forward pass (sound familiar?). I'm not sure if there is someone who can play that role but I know Mount can't do that job at all. Results wise, being placed 4th in WC2018 and 2nd in Euro2020 is a good outing... but really, he should have won this competition. After Italy conceded, Mancini dragged the belief out of his players, adapted to the game after the shocking start... whereas Southgate read the game hilariously wrongly, sat back deep despite being at home and FFS got Henderson on for an otherwise on-form Rice... not to mention we were playing with 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders. He had Sancho, Rashford, Grealish, Foden who were all overlooked. Mount, Henderson are players who aren't effective in the position they are asked to play in (especially Henderson). Playing 2 of Phillips + Rice was not necessary. There was no one creating. Why play Sterling on the right when he was most effective on the left for the entire tournament? We were playing at home. I think Southgate got some things right, yes, sure and definitely - but some things glaringly wrong. The inability to adapt when Italy made changes and took possession... and it's just negative, unimaginative football isn't it? Played at home to the tune of a supportive crowd. Yet, we played a defensive game after Shaw scored a wondrous goal 2 mins into the game. Was he going to defend all 88mins? He should have encouraged (to attack), smashed and grab the game by the neck. Sterling, Kane were ineffectual yesterday night. What was it, we had just 6 shots vs Italy's 19? I really could go on. But well done to the team. They did their best and remained disciplined in accordance to how Southgate wanted them to play. It's not their fault - they really did their best. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Jul 12, 2021 7:20:20 GMT
Oh and Kane didn’t show up when needed in that final Kane had absolutely nothing in support to be completely fair to him. How's he supposed to do anything when he's got Mount and Sterling as the only attacking options beside him? Rice and Phillips are the embodiment of mediocre. If we are anywhere close to thinking about Rice for this club then Ole and everyone else can once again go fuck themselves with a tyre iron. The stats in this case do not lie. Italy had more attackers in their team and were the only ones willing to do anything resembling football. Southgate is fucking worse than Ole. Look at the fucking team he has at his disposal. At least Ole can say he's got a poorer squad but this guy has some of the best attacking talent in football and he starts the game with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. He's a fucking talentless chancer and the English media and pundits do not have a clue. Exactly this. England were poor and negative for most of this tournament but it didn't stop the media getting far too carried away. The three group games were awful and the Scots should've beaten us. The game against Germany was truly abysmal, the worst I've ever seen from a German team and the two goals we scored were so easy to score and came in a short burst in an otherwise crap performance where we offered virtually nothing. Played well and dominated against Ukraine, as we fucking should because they're really terrible. Reverted to type against a Denmark side before they tired and had a man less in extra time. Even then he brought on a defensive player and conceded possession to them to try and see the game out which is just playing with fire. Then we finally got found out last night with another defensive, negative lineup. 7 fucking defensive players on the pitch with the attacking talent we have is criminal. We genuinely played 1 good game in the tournament and that was against a poor Ukraine. We got to the final off the back of a ridiculously easy run of fixtures there, the same as when we got to the semis in the World Cup. At best, Southgate is the luckiest bastard I've ever seen and, I suppose, a genuinely decent human being. He's not a coach or a decent tactician and doesn't have the bottle to have England playing in the way they should and could. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 12, 2021 7:21:37 GMT
Mancini is the best coach in this tournament. He actually achieved things of significance in the game. It should not be a huge surprise that his team are very well drilled. I said this about 10 days ago and it was obvious last night. The difference between Italy first and second half was there for everyone to see and whatever Mancini changed it worked. He was also unlucky to lose Chiiesa as he was causing mayhem, the switching of him and Insigne proved a real turning point. The Ole-Southgate thing is valid. Both took over a mess, both turned it around, both have probably reached their max. Ole is also hampered by owners, Southgate by playing favourites. Regardless of his penalty, Saka was dreadful when he came on. He had one good game but isn’t in Sancho’s class. Mount also did nothing of significance and should have been replaced by Grealish at HT. A midfield of Rice, Mount and Phililips is not winning anything anytime soon. England need to play Bellingham at every opportunity. This is one that got away from England. France have miles more talent than anyone and screwed up. I don’t think they’ll repeat that again. |
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Post by Kojak on Jul 12, 2021 7:25:42 GMT
Thought Kane was good first half when England were good. Second half England sat deep, tried to see it out and weren’t getting forward into the same areas as the first. He had no support on the occasions he did get the ball. That game was there to be won first half. The Italians had got to grips with England second half and Southgate failed to adapt. Talk all day about how good the Italians are, but that game was there for England. Even when the Italians were in the ascendency, they weren’t carving England open. They didn’t have many chances themselves. What separated the two teams last night was the management. Weirdly, I think Jordan Pickford is worth a mention. Let’s be fair, the lad has been absolutely rubbish for at least three years. Not even making minor errors, but absolute howlers. Thought he had a great tournament barring the goal Denmark scored. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him in that shootout either. I’m actually surprised he never took a penalty, given he scored in the shootout against Switzerland. Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. Listen, England were shit from the second half onwards. But how many of those Italy shots on target were massive chances? Two of them came during their equaliser and I can remember one other decent save Pickford made to his left. Point I’m making is that the Italian team aren’t unbeatable. Southgate got it completely wrong second half. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 12, 2021 7:29:29 GMT
Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. Listen, England were shit from the second half onwards. But how many of those Italy shots on target were massive chances? Two of them came during their equaliser and I can remember one other decent save Pickford made to his left. Point I’m making is that the Italian team aren’t unbeatable. Southgate got it completely wrong second half. This is true. Switch managers and England win comfortably imo. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 12, 2021 7:40:24 GMT
Thought Kane was good first half when England were good. Second half England sat deep, tried to see it out and weren’t getting forward into the same areas as the first. He had no support on the occasions he did get the ball. That game was there to be won first half. The Italians had got to grips with England second half and Southgate failed to adapt. Talk all day about how good the Italians are, but that game was there for England. Even when the Italians were in the ascendency, they weren’t carving England open. They didn’t have many chances themselves. What separated the two teams last night was the management. Weirdly, I think Jordan Pickford is worth a mention. Let’s be fair, the lad has been absolutely rubbish for at least three years. Not even making minor errors, but absolute howlers. Thought he had a great tournament barring the goal Denmark scored. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him in that shootout either. I’m actually surprised he never took a penalty, given he scored in the shootout against Switzerland. Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. I’d add Grealish to that list too, he should be stepping up over Saka. Keane had a go at him and Sterling for not stepping up. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 12, 2021 7:51:52 GMT
Listen, England were shit from the second half onwards. But how many of those Italy shots on target were massive chances? Two of them came during their equaliser and I can remember one other decent save Pickford made to his left. Point I’m making is that the Italian team aren’t unbeatable. Southgate got it completely wrong second half. This is true. Switch managers and England win comfortably imo. Switch to who though? England have the same problem as Belgium have, alot of talented players but lack a high quality coach. Countries like Italy and Germany always produce both, that's why there so successful at this level. English managers on the whole are hopeless and that can be proved by the fact that no English manager has won a PL title. That's pretty damning stuff. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 12, 2021 7:52:33 GMT
Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. I’d add Grealish to that list too, he should be stepping up over Saka. Keane had a go at him and Sterling for not stepping up. Southgate picked the pen takers, he said so in the press conference. |
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Post by Stew on Jul 12, 2021 7:55:18 GMT
This is true. Switch managers and England win comfortably imo. Switch to who though? England have the same problem as Belgium have, alot of talented players but lack a high quality coach. Countries like Italy and Germany always produce both, that's why there so successful at this level. English managers on the whole are hopeless and that can be proved by the fact that no English manager has won a PL title. That's pretty damning stuff. Switch Mancini and Southgate I mean. |
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