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Post by viking22 on Jul 12, 2021 7:58:09 GMT
Problem is that Southgate is pretty much untouchable now having reached the World Cup semi-final and Euros finals. No one will pay attention that he had very favourable draws in both competitions playing the likes of Colombia, Sweden, Ukraine and Denmark. And of course beating the Germans earns him massive points even though they are a side that are very much in transition. And he will probably think his cautious approach was vindicated by reaching the final and being unbeaten until the shootout and like Ole will stick to his guns rather than adapt and grow.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 8:22:35 GMT
Italy had 19 shots with 6 on target mate. England had 6 with 2. In 120 minutes. That's horrifying. Sterling, Stones should be ashamed of themselves sending Saka to take that penalty. He did not deserve that. Listen, England were shit from the second half onwards. But how many of those Italy shots on target were massive chances? Two of them came during their equaliser and I can remember one other decent save Pickford made to his left. Point I’m making is that the Italian team aren’t unbeatable. Southgate got it completely wrong second half. We are agreeing mate. I put those stats up to say Italy played positive football and hence created more than England. Southgate was pissing himself to not concede and got done on shit tactics.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 8:25:52 GMT
This is true. Switch managers and England win comfortably imo. Switch to who though? England have the same problem as Belgium have, alot of talented players but lack a high quality coach. Countries like Italy and Germany always produce both, that's why there so successful at this level. English managers on the whole are hopeless and that can be proved by the fact that no English manager has won a PL title. That's pretty damning stuff. Graham Potter. He is the best English coach out there right now. Don't let Brighton being in the bottom half fool you - he's a great coach. The best English coaches out there are Potter, Dean Smith and Gerrard. If England had ambition, they'd get one of these in for the World Cup.
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Post by Monty on Jul 12, 2021 8:27:31 GMT
What a fucking disaster yesterday was. The first time England get to a final in my lifetime and I get hit by the mother of all panic attacks a few hours before kickoff. First time I've had a bad one in 7-8 years. It wasn't related to the game, I've known it was on it's way for weeks. Around 6'oclock I was on the verge of going to the hospital because this time maybe it really is a stroke. I watched the game, when I say watched I mean I was present in the room, but I barely looked at the screen. The worst thing is that the people I was with couldn't fully get into the match because they were more concerned about me. I feel absolutely rotten.
With regards to the game, I just can't believe Southgate would expect Rashford and Sancho to win him the tournament after barely giving them a kick. How could they possibly be in the right frame of mind to take the most important penalties of their careers after being spectators for weeks. I feel so sorry for both of them. Saka as well. A 19 year old kid left with a sudden death penalty. If he needed to take one, give him one of the earlier ones where there's less at stake for fucks sake.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 12, 2021 8:33:08 GMT
Switch to who though? England have the same problem as Belgium have, alot of talented players but lack a high quality coach. Countries like Italy and Germany always produce both, that's why there so successful at this level. English managers on the whole are hopeless and that can be proved by the fact that no English manager has won a PL title. That's pretty damning stuff. Graham Potter. He is the best English coach out there right now. Don't let Brighton being in the bottom half fool you - he's a great coach. The best English coaches out there are Potter, Dean Smith and Gerrard. If England had ambition, they'd get one of these in for the World Cup. Spurs still went with Nuno, that's my point. English coaches never seem to get the jobs that would give them the experience required to coach at the highest level.
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Post by Kojak on Jul 12, 2021 8:37:17 GMT
Switch to who though? England have the same problem as Belgium have, alot of talented players but lack a high quality coach. Countries like Italy and Germany always produce both, that's why there so successful at this level. English managers on the whole are hopeless and that can be proved by the fact that no English manager has won a PL title. That's pretty damning stuff. Graham Potter. He is the best English coach out there right now. Don't let Brighton being in the bottom half fool you - he's a great coach. The best English coaches out there are Potter, Dean Smith and Gerrard. If England had ambition, they'd get one of these in for the World Cup. I think what Southgate has shown is the type of character that these young English players respond to. All of that side of things has been bang on. Aside from choosing a 19 year old who has probably never taken a pen to take the fifth one in a final, he’s protected them. It’s just that extra bit of managerial ability that’s lacking. Just a bit of courage last night really as much as anything else. Southgate didn’t have to morph into Pep to get that game won. He was on the edge of it really, he just didn’t have the courage to make a positive change. What England needed last night was just basic changes to adapt to the Italian ones. There was nothing for Italy to have to think about in behind from the 60th minute onwards. Ultimately, if you go 1-0 up after 2mins against a side with Emerson at LB, you should be licking your lips. He spent three quarters of that game absolutely nowhere near his station and after the second minute was never exposed for it. Could literally be as simple as bring Sancho on and England win the game.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 8:38:03 GMT
Graham Potter. He is the best English coach out there right now. Don't let Brighton being in the bottom half fool you - he's a great coach. The best English coaches out there are Potter, Dean Smith and Gerrard. If England had ambition, they'd get one of these in for the World Cup. Spurs still went with Nuno, that's my point. English coaches never seem to get the jobs that would give them the experience required to coach at the highest level. Yep, agree wholeheartedly. It's the same bullshit merrygoround of the old boys club. Blame it on the management at the top I guess. Severely lacking in vision and guts. Shows what Levy actually knows - Smith and Potter should have been his top candidates but he goes for the comfort choice. I think Nuno is good mind, but those two are exciting.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 12, 2021 8:41:09 GMT
Spurs still went with Nuno, that's my point. English coaches never seem to get the jobs that would give them the experience required to coach at the highest level. Yep, agree wholeheartedly. It's the same bullshit merrygoround of the old boys club. Blame it on the management at the top I guess. Severely lacking in vision and guts. Shows what Levy actually knows - Smith and Potter should have been his top candidates but he goes for the comfort choice. I think Nuno is good mind, but those two are exciting. Wolves are pure filth and not in a sexy way. Yeah he lost some big players but we played them alot in recent years and those matches were a painful watch. I like Potter but spurs fans would never have settled for potter after Jose. Big names and only big names seem to count.
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Post by bushy1987 on Jul 12, 2021 8:44:09 GMT
Actually a bit gutted, that was there for the taking especially after the dream start, but start of the second half he should have changed it and got them on the counter knowing they needed that goal. Also the absolute scum who have been racially abusing the players need to crawl back under the rock they have come from and die a horrible death, absolute cunts.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Jul 12, 2021 8:51:42 GMT
I really thought (hoped) that Southgate would’ve gone for it properly last night, especially after the quick start ,he is what he is though ,and doesn’t have the tactical nowse to do this, cautious, timid approaches don’t win finals ,and Italy could’ve been beaten last night, but the ‘unbeaten for 30-odd games’ mantra which was constantly rammed down their throats surely did nothing to help. Harry Kane’s “they’ll probably carry the scars for the rest of their lives” was hardly needed either, also Danny Mills has just been on the BBC News, “they got to a final, Gareth made great tactical decisions” blah ,blah. But they lost!
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Post by Reduntildeath on Jul 12, 2021 8:57:13 GMT
Just got to comment on the horrendous, racist abuse ,again on social media, the police will find, hopefully arrest and prosecute them.One will be particularly easy to find, he’s a manager at Savill’s property company, is based in Manchester, and has 2 Twitter accounts. Utter cunts.
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Post by redcase on Jul 12, 2021 9:02:02 GMT
Just got to comment on the horrendous, racist abuse ,again on social media, the police will find, hopefully arrest and prosecute them.One will be particularly easy to find, he’s a manager at Saville's property company, is based in Manchester, and has 2 Twitter accounts. Utter cunts. Post it here, I want to name and shame the guy on twitter myself.
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Post by Kojak on Jul 12, 2021 9:08:17 GMT
Just got to comment on the horrendous, racist abuse ,again on social media, the police will find, hopefully arrest and prosecute them.One will be particularly easy to find, he’s a manager at Saville's property company, is based in Manchester, and has 2 Twitter accounts. Utter cunts. I think for the most part watching people come together to support England after the last 18 months or more has been really nice to see. I know the pandemic has affected the whole world, but things in England for a long time have been bitter, nasty and divisive. Unfortunately, it’s seen as an inclusive thing that also involves the dimwits, knuckle draggers and dregs of society. This England team doesn’t represent them. It needs to be made clear that if you hold those beliefs, England’s success is not your success. I’d say go and support a different team, but just fucking off out of this country and into the nearest large body of water would do fine as well.
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 12, 2021 9:08:26 GMT
Just got to comment on the horrendous, racist abuse ,again on social media, the police will find, hopefully arrest and prosecute them.One will be particularly easy to find, he’s a manager at Savill’s property company, is based in Manchester, and has 2 Twitter accounts. Utter cunts. Hardly surprising considering they do it week in week out. I knew the moment either of them missed they were gonna get it from the pea brains.
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Post by Stretty on Jul 12, 2021 10:02:52 GMT
all the comments above are generally along the same lines that i have had with friends and work colleagues this morning(about southgate being similar to ole and both those finals having similarities). I cant understand why southgate was getting such praise of the media this morning because they should be calling him out on his in game management that just let italy waltz back into the game and totally dominate the second half. Mancini just outclassed him at the end of the day.
Both ole and southgate seem to get a total free ride from the press for some reason.
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