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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 20:15:24 GMT
Does he think we are top 2? With this and the constant bollocks about how we are improving, I've had it. It's coming, right? This is what I was referring to last weekend. Some things just don't help his case. Things are tight but its tight at the wrong end, we've won 4 from 14. If that's not a concern I don't know what is. Also the league position right now matters a lot. We could've been 5th but we yet again fucked it up. Every time there's a chance we can capitalise on teams above us dropping points we fuck it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 20:17:16 GMT
Can’t take listening to his dribble anymore. He will always be a legend but it won’t be for managing us. Bow out while you still have the respect of the fans Why should he ever lose your respect? Because he got given a job he would never turned down in a million years and was then shat on by the owners? This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. He should never lose the respect of fans regardless of how his managerial stint goes here. He is losing respect of fans for his managerial ability not for his legendary status. When he eventually gets sacked I will still love him. Everyone agrees that the team is poor, but should still be beating newly promoted sides. Chasing a goal, no injuries so let's take off the left back and bring on....another left back. Dont know what else needs to be said. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 20:19:25 GMT
Why should he ever lose your respect? Because he got given a job he would never turned down in a million years and was then shat on by the owners? This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. He should never lose the respect of fans regardless of how his managerial stint goes here. He is losing respect of fans for his managerial ability not for his legendary status. When he eventually gets sacked I will still love him. Everyone agrees that the team is poor, but should still be beating newly promoted sides. Chasing a goal, no injuries so let's take off the left back and bring on....another left back. Dont know what else needs to be said. Think the Shaw change was because Williams was on a yellow and didn't want to risk him being sent off. But still be could have brought on a midfielder or even Greenwood for Williams instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 20:19:56 GMT
Why should he ever lose your respect? Because he got given a job he would never turned down in a million years and was then shat on by the owners? This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. He should never lose the respect of fans regardless of how his managerial stint goes here. He is losing respect of fans for his managerial ability not for his legendary status. When he eventually gets sacked I will still love him. Everyone agrees that the team is poor, but should still be beating newly promoted sides. Chasing a goal, no injuries so let's take off the left back and bring on....another left back. Dont know what else needs to be said. His managerial ability is what it is. He shouldn't have been given the job in the first place as he wasn't good enough when he got it in that case. He's not just turned up here with a brilliant managerial record and caused his own down fall, this is his managerial level. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Dec 1, 2019 20:29:00 GMT
The thing is, there was no need to appoint him when they did. No reason why they couldn’t have waited until the summer. And if the season had played out as it did, or much the same, we would have thanked Ole for steadying the ship and moved on. Shit went downhill as soon as he was given the job fulltime. Not that it was his fault but I agree on the waiting until the summer bit. It took the shine off what could have been a very good end to the season. We were flying then bam, gone to shit in an instant. Which is the most damning bit of evidence against this soft af sad sack of players. As soon as they thought the pressure was off, they downed tools and resumed chatting around the water cooler. As much as Ole might not be the long term solution, he sure isn’t the short term problem. The same comments being directed his way were said about Jose, even though they’re very different managers who have gone about things in very different ways. Perhaps the anger and vitriol should be directed at the common denominator; Ed and the sorry shower of a squad he has assembled. There isn’t a single outfield player who has performed to the level required of a Manchester United player. It’s high time we stop blaming a manager for the fact that this squad is pathetically not good enough. It wasn’t Jose’s fault last season and it isn’t Ole’s this. Change the manager and the players will realize the pressure is back on them and they’ll perform for a few weeks and then resume normal service. You want different results, bathe this squad in wildfire, and let the manager rebuild it properly. No half measures and bargain bin stuff. Buy the players he wants, sell the ones he doesn’t, verbatim. If this happens, I’ll blame the manager for making poor choices and the results that follow. Expecting him to pull results out of his ass with inferior players is lunacy. |
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Post by Carbon on Dec 1, 2019 20:36:31 GMT
Does he think we are top 2? With this and the constant bollocks about how we are improving, I've had it. It's coming, right?
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Post by caino on Dec 1, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
Can’t take listening to his dribble anymore. He will always be a legend but it won’t be for managing us. Bow out while you still have the respect of the fans Why should he ever lose your respect? Because he got given a job he would never turned down in a million years and was then shat on by the owners? This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. He should never lose the respect of fans regardless of how his managerial stint goes here. He said if he ever felt he wasn’t the man for the job and there was someone better he would step down as manager He’s had his chance and he hasn’t taken it. If he carries on at this rate we will end the season bottom half. We might be in 3 cups but we’re struggling to beat newly promoted teams, farmers in the Europa league and only just beat Rotherham so it doesn’t fill me with any optimism |
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Post by juanveron on Dec 1, 2019 21:19:04 GMT
He was fucked by Woodward and blew his one and only chance of managing the club. We needed 6 players of quality in the summer to have any chance of being somewhat relevant in the league, we got 3 and sold our primary goal scorer.
No one is going to remember this fact, the only thing people will remember about Ole’s time managing us is the below 30% win ratio.
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Post by johnboy14 on Dec 1, 2019 21:38:30 GMT
Why should he ever lose your respect? Because he got given a job he would never turned down in a million years and was then shat on by the owners? This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. He should never lose the respect of fans regardless of how his managerial stint goes here. He said if he ever felt he wasn’t the man for the job and there was someone better he would step down as manager He’s had his chance and he hasn’t taken it. If he carries on at this rate we will end the season bottom half. We might be in 3 cups but we’re struggling to beat newly promoted teams, farmers in the Europa league and only just beat Rotherham so it doesn’t fill me with any optimism We have a manager whos learning the business of management during a really difficult period for the club, thats where my issues lay. The people at the club are asking him to coach well above his level because it takes real good coaching and man management to get a note from a team like this. Defensively we had been doing well until the last month, now we are a shambles, thats an example of regression. Mata inclusion today made no sense. I believe we will just about finish in the top 8, anything after that is a bonus. I believe a better manager might get us closer to top 4 but we will still fall way short. Its a process of rebuilding and in my opinion its not happening fast enough. The squad needs trimmed to make room on the wage bill to sign more promising players. I dont agree with Neville that he should just get 4 transfer windows, you have to prove yourself in some capacity. Klopp wouldnt be in a job had he ended up in the bottom half of the table in his second season. |
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Post by Carbon on Dec 1, 2019 21:47:44 GMT
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Post by thesheepdog on Dec 1, 2019 22:28:20 GMT
Were a club in decline. This is not Ole's fault. His appointment by the club was done as a genuine attempt to try something different to get back to the clubs past values and ethos.
Or it could have just been Ed and the owners saying fuck it, he's a cheap appointment and we can walk all over him
Stick with him or sack him either way it wont make any difference
As a club we have no direction , no heart no soul
We need people in thus club that understand football and understand the club and actually care about the club. We need the gary Neville's of this world
It starts with the owners the board and ed accepting they are the problem and appoint a football man and football board who have the remit and power to turn this club around.
A director of football might be an option but what we need is a ten , fifteen or twenty year plan. Not oh shit we need a new striker, defender manager who's available
We need a vision for the club that should be built on young strong committed players supplemented by high quality experienced players with winning mentalities. Not mercenaries with agents who will constantly try to unbalanced the player and team to feather their own nest. You could argue Ole is trying to do thus. But football is a results game so the pressure is on
Without this strong base within the inner management of the club we can't make progress. It will make no difference who manages the players when the club as a whole is so badly managed
So ole in or ole out it will make no difference long term. The worry is Ed doesn't seem to understand where the problems lie and will probably just crack to the pressure and appoint poch
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Post by dazjoe on Dec 1, 2019 22:59:02 GMT
Shit like this is why I refuse to follow any United related posts on Insta. How about shutting the fuck up and just actually putting a performance in? |
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Post by . on Dec 1, 2019 23:07:41 GMT
Were a club in decline. This is not Ole's fault. His appointment by the club was done as a genuine attempt to try something different to get back to the clubs past values and ethos. Or it could have just been Ed and the owners saying fuck it, he's a cheap appointment and we can walk all over him Stick with him or sack him either way it wont make any difference As a club we have no direction , no heart no soul We need people in thus club that understand football and understand the club and actually care about the club. We need the gary Neville's of this world It starts with the owners the board and ed accepting they are the problem and appoint a football man and football board who have the remit and power to turn this club around. A director of football might be an option but what we need is a ten , fifteen or twenty year plan. Not oh shit we need a new striker, defender manager who's available We need a vision for the club that should be built on young strong committed players supplemented by high quality experienced players with winning mentalities. Not mercenaries with agents who will constantly try to unbalanced the player and team to feather their own nest. You could argue Ole is trying to do thus. But football is a results game so the pressure is on Without this strong base within the inner management of the club we can't make progress. It will make no difference who manages the players when the club as a whole is so badly managed So ole in or ole out it will make no difference long term. The worry is Ed doesn't seem to understand where the problems lie and will probably just crack to the pressure and appoint poch I'd think you're correct. Until top 4 is mathematically impossible Ole will probably still be in the job. Bringing in young, strong, committed players is exactly what we should be doing and are doing somewhat. How different would things have been if we had bought Fernandes and Dybala (or whoever was on our wish list) in the summer and sold Pogba? I think that would have been a true evaluation of Ole. As it is, looking at today's lineup, other than parking the bus and hoping for a set piece, how else would a midfield with Fred and Pereira, with Mata as the #10, expect to win? Klopp on the sidelines with his teeth all over the place screaming BLITZKRIEG would not have made a difference. Ole is clearly not good enough to get a mediocre/poor squad to punch above their weight, but he shouldn't be saddled with a mediocre squad. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 1, 2019 23:15:53 GMT
Were a club in decline. This is not Ole's fault. His appointment by the club was done as a genuine attempt to try something different to get back to the clubs past values and ethos. Or it could have just been Ed and the owners saying fuck it, he's a cheap appointment and we can walk all over him Stick with him or sack him either way it wont make any difference As a club we have no direction , no heart no soul We need people in thus club that understand football and understand the club and actually care about the club. We need the gary Neville's of this world It starts with the owners the board and ed accepting they are the problem and appoint a football man and football board who have the remit and power to turn this club around. A director of football might be an option but what we need is a ten , fifteen or twenty year plan. Not oh shit we need a new striker, defender manager who's available We need a vision for the club that should be built on young strong committed players supplemented by high quality experienced players with winning mentalities. Not mercenaries with agents who will constantly try to unbalanced the player and team to feather their own nest. You could argue Ole is trying to do thus. But football is a results game so the pressure is on Without this strong base within the inner management of the club we can't make progress. It will make no difference who manages the players when the club as a whole is so badly managed So ole in or ole out it will make no difference long term. The worry is Ed doesn't seem to understand where the problems lie and will probably just crack to the pressure and appoint poch Neville looks out for Neville. How many of these ex players have called out the owners? Solskjær is clearly out of his depth but yet his playing buddies continue to defend him. A shame the same leniency wasn’t shown to the previous 2 managers. Some of our ex players are enabling this terrible show of decline. |
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Post by Kojak on Dec 1, 2019 23:23:43 GMT
Ole is obviously not good enough to manage United, and we probably all got caught up in the romance of the whole thing initially. Having said that, if we get someone else in, we’ll be in essentially the same situation in a year or so. The club is rotten to the core.
I’ll not disrespect Ole, because I love the bloke. He contributed to some of the happiest moments of my life. And it does annoy me, the vitriol directed at him online from little arseholes who were still filling their nappies when Ole was sticking them in. Criticise his managerial decisions by all means, but save the slander for the cunts in charge of this club that deserve it.
He isn’t good enough to manage us. It’s as simple as that. He shouldn’t have got the job permanently. It was a decision that was presumably made on emotion and thrift. And the people who made the decision should also be let go. But they won’t. They’ll stay. And thus the vicious circle will continue.
In a years time it’ll be “Get this Argentinian yoga instructor out of my club #POCHOUT”, or the equivalent cos he’d be mad to take this job.
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