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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 11:53:50 GMT
I had my vaccines as soon as I got offered them, I personally don't see the issue with having it, especially when most people pumping beer drugs cigarette's fast food ect in to there body, but I mainly had the vaccine so I could go on holiday easily Very true, highlighting the ironic stupidity of this "vaccine health risk" brigade. The same otherwise healthy folk who ignore the warning label printed on a cigarette gotta do "their own research" about a scientifically created vaccine.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 11:56:11 GMT
I had my vaccines as soon as I got offered them, I personally don't see the issue with having it, especially when most people pumping beer drugs cigarette's fast food ect in to there body, but I mainly had the vaccine so I could go on holiday easilyThis is inevitable. Countries have already begun enacting limitations on willfully unvaccinated people with respect to travel and gathering in public spaces.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 14:32:09 GMT
What's the excuse for people without medical conditions not to take the vaccines? Problem is why do people need to provide an excuse or feel the need to justify themselves just because you don't agree with their decision? I'm sure some people have chosen not to have it for good season and not necessarily because of "fueled propaganda". I'm not against it by all means I've had both jabs myself. But I know people that haven't had it and I'm fine with that it's their choice, not once have I felt the need to ask them to explain why.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 14:37:45 GMT
What's the excuse for people without medical conditions not to take the vaccines? Problem is why do people need to provide an excuse or feel the need to justify themselves just because you don't agree with their decision? I'm sure some people have chosen not to have it for good season and not necessarily because of "fueled propaganda". I'm not against it by all means I've had both jabs myself. But I know people that haven't had it and I'm fine with that it's their choice, not once have I felt the need to ask them to explain why. There’s such a thing as the greater good. I’m glad people didn’t display such selfishness when polio and the like was rampant.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 15:09:44 GMT
Problem is why do people need to provide an excuse or feel the need to justify themselves just because you don't agree with their decision? I'm sure some people have chosen not to have it for good season and not necessarily because of "fueled propaganda". I'm not against it by all means I've had both jabs myself. But I know people that haven't had it and I'm fine with that it's their choice, not once have I felt the need to ask them to explain why. There’s such a thing as the greater good. I’m glad people didn’t display such selfishness when polio and the like was rampant. Why is it selfish? Because you say it is? I can see both sides to it. I see that people have had it, have lost loved ones as a result of it so can completely understand why they would want to take it. However some people have gone though this entire pandemic fit as a fiddle, no symptoms etc, taken the vaccine and have suffered life altering side effects as a result. How can you define "the greater good" when both sides of it have been affected.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 15:23:49 GMT
There’s such a thing as the greater good. I’m glad people didn’t display such selfishness when polio and the like was rampant. Why is it selfish? Because you say it is? I can see both sides to it. I see that people have had it, have lost loved ones as a result of it so can completely understand why they would want to take it. However some people have gone though this entire pandemic fit as a fiddle, no symptoms etc, taken the vaccine and have suffered life altering side effects as a result. How can you define "the greater good" when both sides of it have been affected. Both sides? The numbers of people who have suffered ‘life altering symptoms’ in comparison to those who the vaccine have saved is so small as to be not even bothering mentioning. Would it even be 0.01%? 0.001%? It reminds me of the nonsense about people being killed because of having to wear seatbelts in freak accidents compared to those whose lives were saved. Do better Paul. That’s tin hat nonsense. And yes, because I say so.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 15:30:11 GMT
Why is it selfish? Because you say it is? I can see both sides to it. I see that people have had it, have lost loved ones as a result of it so can completely understand why they would want to take it. However some people have gone though this entire pandemic fit as a fiddle, no symptoms etc, taken the vaccine and have suffered life altering side effects as a result. How can you define "the greater good" when both sides of it have been affected. Both sides? The numbers of people who have suffered ‘life altering symptoms’ in comparison to those who the vaccine have saved is so small as to be not even bothering mentioning. Would it even be 0.01%? 0.001%? It reminds me of the nonsense about people being killed because of having to wear seatbelts in freak accidents compared to those whose lives were saved. Do better Paul. That’s tin hat nonsense. And yes, because I say so.Says all I need to know.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 15:32:17 GMT
Both sides? The numbers of people who have suffered ‘life altering symptoms’ in comparison to those who the vaccine have saved is so small as to be not even bothering mentioning. Would it even be 0.01%? 0.001%? It reminds me of the nonsense about people being killed because of having to wear seatbelts in freak accidents compared to those whose lives were saved. Do better Paul. That’s tin hat nonsense. And yes, because I say so.Says all I need to know. Over 4 million people have died from this worldwide and you’re talking about ‘both sides’. Says all I need to know.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 15:35:58 GMT
Over 4 million people have died from this worldwide and you’re talking about ‘both sides’. Says all I need to know. I'm taking about both sides because I don't feel the need to expect a reason from somebody that doesn't want it. I don't think one person's life is more important than another. But I do think people have to capacity to decide what is best for themselves. People just need to live their lives and stop concerning themselves of the choices of others ffs.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 15:56:20 GMT
Over 4 million people have died from this worldwide and you’re talking about ‘both sides’. Says all I need to know. I'm taking about both sides because I don't feel the need to expect a reason from somebody that doesn't want it. I don't think one person's life is more important than another. But I do think people have to capacity to decide what is best for themselves. People just need to live their lives and stop concerning themselves of the choices of others ffs. Your entire post here is an oxymoron. If you say one life isn't more important than another, everyone should be on the same page and take the vaccine because it is absolutely, proven to be beneficial for the human population. Not taking it has been proven to be fatal for those that haven't and has proven to increase the spread of the virus and incapacitate a fragile health system. People absolutely do not have the capacity to decide for themselves, that's why we have anti vaxxers, holocaust deniers, covid deniers, conspiracy theorists, qanon etc. A person has the capacity to be intelligent and rational. People as a whole are irrational and idiotic. Vaccinated people cannot go on living their lives as normal because sadly they need to share space with idiots who get their news on snapchat. If those idiots aren't allowed to be around me though, I can get with that.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 15:57:23 GMT
From the NHS-
‘Since vaccines were introduced in the UK, diseases like smallpox, polio and tetanus that used to kill or disable millions of people are either gone or seen very rarely.
Other diseases like measles and diphtheria have been reduced by up to 99.9% since their vaccines were introduced.
However, if people stop having vaccines, it's possible for infectious diseases to quickly spread again.’
Now I do t know about you but I’m glad my children don’t have to worry about polio and smallpox. And why is that?
Vaccines. Pure and simple. No ‘both sides’ bollocks. Just vaccines.
The end.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 16:06:58 GMT
From the NHS- ‘Since vaccines were introduced in the UK, diseases like smallpox, polio and tetanus that used to kill or disable millions of people are either gone or seen very rarely. Other diseases like measles and diphtheria have been reduced by up to 99.9% since their vaccines were introduced. However, if people stop having vaccines, it's possible for infectious diseases to quickly spread again.’ Now I do t know about you but I’m glad my children don’t have to worry about polio and smallpox. And why is that? Vaccines. Pure and simple. No ‘both sides’ bollocks. Just vaccines. The end. Can you imagine what would have happened if social media was active in times of smallpox?
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 16:33:31 GMT
From the NHS- ‘Since vaccines were introduced in the UK, diseases like smallpox, polio and tetanus that used to kill or disable millions of people are either gone or seen very rarely. Other diseases like measles and diphtheria have been reduced by up to 99.9% since their vaccines were introduced. However, if people stop having vaccines, it's possible for infectious diseases to quickly spread again.’ Now I do t know about you but I’m glad my children don’t have to worry about polio and smallpox. And why is that? Vaccines. Pure and simple. No ‘both sides’ bollocks. Just vaccines. The end. Can you imagine what would have happened if social media was active in times of smallpox? Jesus, what a thought.
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Post by Kojak on Oct 7, 2021 17:36:27 GMT
I was worried about getting mine initially, not for any particular reason though, I have no health conditions or anything like that. Keep myself fit and everything.
I decided to get my first one in the end because our ma’ was working on the COVID ward and all the younger fellas on there struggling were unvaxed.
I’ll preface this by saying I would never tell anyone or encourage anyone not to get the vaccine. It’s personal choice obviously, make your own mind up, but in general it’s obviously a good thing. However in my case, it has fucked me up.
Few days after I got it, I started getting what I thought were spells of dizziness. The doctor I saw first thought it was a reoccurrence of Labyrinthitis. Turned out it was more light headedness than dizziness. Basically everything just goes mental like a head rush. Sometimes short random intervals, sometimes really long spells of things being shaky. In the end it makes you travel sick.
I’m now 8 weeks out from having had the first one. I had to have an ECG last week which fortunately came back fine. The doctors haven’t a clue what’s wrong, what’s caused it or how to fix it. The guy I saw on Tuesday pretty much said at least it’s manageable and you’re not dead. Even typing this right now, my head is farting.
My point is, although I’ve not told anyone not to get it, plenty of people will have been put off by first hand stories like mine. Not everyone who opts out is a fucking moron. Some people are just scared.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 17:38:25 GMT
I was worried about getting mine initially, not for any particular reason though, I have no health conditions or anything like that. Keep myself fit and everything. I decided to get my first one in the end because our ma’ was working on the COVID ward and all the younger fellas on there struggling were unvaxed. I’ll preface this by saying I would never tell anyone or encourage anyone not to get the vaccine. It’s personal choice obviously, make your own mind up, but in general it’s obviously a good thing. However in my case, it has fucked me up. Few days after I got it, I started getting what I thought were spells of dizziness. The doctor I saw first thought it was a reoccurrence of Labyrinthitis. Turned out it was more light headedness than dizziness. Basically everything just goes mental like a head rush. Sometimes short random intervals, sometimes really long spells of things being shaky. In the end it makes you travel sick. I’m now 8 weeks out from having had the first one. I had to have an ECG last week which fortunately came back fine. The doctors haven’t a clue what’s wrong, what’s caused it or how to fix it. The guy I saw on Tuesday pretty much said at least it’s manageable and you’re not dead. Even typing this right now, my head is farting. My point is, although I’ve not told anyone not to get it, plenty of people will have been put off by first hand stories like mine. Not everyone who opts out is a fucking moron. Some people are just scared. Can't argue with this. Whatever it is hope it clears up mate.
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