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Post by redcase on Oct 6, 2021 11:54:01 GMT
Unfortunately unless they make it mandatory you can't force them to take it, plus people do have the right to a choice. No, not in matters where they wouldn't know their arse from their elbow, they don't.
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Post by Kamilo on Oct 6, 2021 14:47:27 GMT
Unfortunately unless they make it mandatory you can't force them to take it, plus people do have the right to a choice. No, not in matters where they wouldn't know their arse from their elbow, they don't. Says who? Maybe they look at all the facts on their own and don’t feel comfortable doing so. Shouldn’t be forcing them or anyone else. It’s not their fault the cumulative data around the vaccine give people hesitancy.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 6, 2021 18:09:49 GMT
Name. Shame. This is a disgrace. Only 20% of our squad is vaccinated? These wankers are already dragging this football club into the ground, now I have to come to terms with them being anti-vax? Fucking dissolve this club in acid. There is a difference between being anti-vax and choosing not to get it yourself. Please do not automatically conflate the two. A woman I work with cannot get the COVID vaccine due to existing medical issues but she isn't campaigning for others to not get theirs. People should be given the autonomy to do that is best for them - not have what is best dictated to them.
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Post by Paul on Oct 6, 2021 18:55:21 GMT
If you want it have it, if you don't then don't have it. Really is as simple as that. Nobody should have their choice scrutinised simply because some people don't agree with it. Problem nowadays is some many people are focused on what others do.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 5:09:06 GMT
No, not in matters where they wouldn't know their arse from their elbow, they don't. Says who? Maybe they look at all the facts on their own and don’t feel comfortable doing so. Shouldn’t be forcing them or anyone else. It’s not their fault the cumulative data around the vaccine give people hesitancy. What is this cumulative data you speak of? You think those morons parading the cities with their anti - covidvax propaganda have been analyzing data? 🤣🤣 Do you really? I'd say they're watching Alex Jones.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 5:11:47 GMT
Name. Shame. This is a disgrace. Only 20% of our squad is vaccinated? These wankers are already dragging this football club into the ground, now I have to come to terms with them being anti-vax? Fucking dissolve this club in acid. There is a difference between being anti-vax and choosing not to get it yourself. Please do not automatically conflate the two. A woman I work with cannot get the COVID vaccine due to existing medical issues but she isn't campaigning for others to not get theirs. People should be given the autonomy to do that is best for them - not have what is best dictated to them. We aren't talking about medical conditions here are we? Are these footballers afflicted with medical conditions? What's the excuse for people without medical conditions not to take the vaccines? Whatever the reason they give its pretty much fueled by propaganda and not much else. I would be very skeptical of anyone who says they analyzed data and chose not to take it. Analyzing medical statistical data isn't something a layman can do. It takes some learning in itself.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 5:14:41 GMT
If you want it have it, if you don't then don't have it. Really is as simple as that. Nobody should have their choice scrutinised simply because some people don't agree with it. Problem nowadays is some many people are focused on what others do. Problem is too many people who sit on their arse in front of a computer think they can do what a scientist and a doctor does. That's why we're still not clear of this pandemic.
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Post by Paul on Oct 7, 2021 5:47:49 GMT
If you want it have it, if you don't then don't have it. Really is as simple as that. Nobody should have their choice scrutinised simply because some people don't agree with it. Problem nowadays is some many people are focused on what others do. Problem is too many people who sit on their arse in front of a computer think they can do what a scientist and a doctor does. That's why we're still not clear of this pandemic. Well this is also true. I don't beleive half of what's been said but some of the conspiracy theories and shit from the anti vaxxers is amusing. I think even if 100% of the population had the vaccine I still don't think it's something we'll be clear of for a long time if ever to be honest.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 6:58:01 GMT
The league should simply do what the NFL have done- it’s not compulsory as their players Union won’t allow it. But you make it so difficult for those who refuse it (and so far none of them who have refused have been on any medical condition that prevents them doing so) that you potentially hit them from a practice and training POV, which makes them less appealing from their coaches to include in the game plan. They have a 93.5% vac rate and are hardly a more enlightened bunch than footballers.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 7, 2021 7:52:20 GMT
There is a difference between being anti-vax and choosing not to get it yourself. Please do not automatically conflate the two. A woman I work with cannot get the COVID vaccine due to existing medical issues but she isn't campaigning for others to not get theirs. People should be given the autonomy to do that is best for them - not have what is best dictated to them. We aren't talking about medical conditions here are we? Are these footballers afflicted with medical conditions? What's the excuse for people without medical conditions not to take the vaccines? Whatever the reason they give its pretty much fueled by propaganda and not much else. I would be very skeptical of anyone who says they analyzed data and chose not to take it. Analyzing medical statistical data isn't something a layman can do. It takes some learning in itself. We have a client with no prior medical issue who is in 75% heart failure as a direct result of the vaccine he received for COVID. We have another who passed out and has had an underlying mental condition completely exploded as a direct result of his second dose. Not everyone who chooses not to be vaccinated is an anti-vax, gullible-propaganda-believing idiot. I am not against it by any stretch, I got both as soon as I was eligible, however people are allowed to assess the risks for themselves. They don't need 'an excuse'. Getting vaccinated doesn't even prevent you getting the disease or spreading it. So with respect, please shut the fuck up about things you clearly don't understand.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Oct 7, 2021 8:15:11 GMT
Name. Shame. This is a disgrace. Only 20% of our squad is vaccinated? These wankers are already dragging this football club into the ground, now I have to come to terms with them being anti-vax? Fucking dissolve this club in acid. There is a difference between being anti-vax and choosing not to get it yourself. Please do not automatically conflate the two. A woman I work with cannot get the COVID vaccine due to existing medical issues but she isn't campaigning for others to not get theirs. People should be given the autonomy to do that is best for them - not have what is best dictated to them. Thank you for this Bestie, totally agreed.
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Post by Stew on Oct 7, 2021 8:36:19 GMT
Obviously no one should be forced into taking a vaccine that’s going to do them any type of harm. I also know someone who can’t take it. But do you honestly think 70% of premier league footballers fall into that category? There were cases of reaction to the vaccines for Smallpox and Polio but the vast majority of people who took it were fine and helped eradicate those diseases. This isn’t any different imo.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 9:29:25 GMT
We aren't talking about medical conditions here are we? Are these footballers afflicted with medical conditions? What's the excuse for people without medical conditions not to take the vaccines? Whatever the reason they give its pretty much fueled by propaganda and not much else. I would be very skeptical of anyone who says they analyzed data and chose not to take it. Analyzing medical statistical data isn't something a layman can do. It takes some learning in itself. We have a client with no prior medical issue who is in 75% heart failure as a direct result of the vaccine he received for COVID. We have another who passed out and has had an underlying mental condition completely exploded as a direct result of his second dose. Not everyone who chooses not to be vaccinated is an anti-vax, gullible-propaganda-believing idiot. I am not against it by any stretch, I got both as soon as I was eligible, however people are allowed to assess the risks for themselves. They don't need 'an excuse'. Getting vaccinated doesn't even prevent you getting the disease or spreading it. So with respect, please shut the fuck up about things you clearly don't understand. Lol are you being deliberately obtuse like you were during the entire racist statues episode? Where the fuck have I advocated for people with medical conditions to take it? The cases you bring up are absolute outliers and not the norm. So stop peddling them as some kind of viable excuse for otherwise healthy individuals to not take the vaccine. How many such cases have you heard of among the tens of millions of people that have taken the vaccine? You talk about individuals self evaluating these things as if they have medical and scientific acumen to do so, spawning the armchair scientists and conspiracy theorists. While you're at it, do tell what means do individuals use to self evaluate possible risks? If people want to get the risks assessed go ahead, but not by themselves, by a doctor. We've got idiots citing religious reasons and others providing such "self-evaluated" reasons to not get vaccinated and that's crazy. The strain on health systems everywhere still persists because of people looking for reasons not to get vaccinated. Hospitals overloaded with covid patients who if vaccinated would most likely not need hospitalization, thereby freeing up a bed for someone who really needs it. Not to mention just generally getting this pandemic under control. The original point was about these footballers. Who have no excuse. And man, sans any respect, I know your little gold label internet name makes you feel good about yourself, but I'm not going to be this polite the next time.
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Post by redcase on Oct 7, 2021 9:33:11 GMT
Obviously no one should be forced into taking a vaccine that’s going to do them any type of harm. I also know someone who can’t take it. But do you honestly think 70% of premier league footballers fall into that category? There were cases of reaction to the vaccines for Smallpox and Polio but the vast majority of people who took it were fine and helped eradicate those diseases. This isn’t any different imo. It isn't. At all. We are in desperate times. Either we continue in this pandemic or we try our best to come out of it. At this moment, it's quite disappointing how educated people are behaving with regards to the vaccine.
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 7, 2021 9:51:45 GMT
I had my vaccines as soon as I got offered them, I personally don't see the issue with having it, especially when most people pumping beer drugs cigarette's fast food ect in to there body, but I mainly had the vaccine so I could go on holiday easily
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