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Post by Stew on Aug 16, 2020 22:35:56 GMT
46 attempts on goal in two games. 21 shots in target. 2 goals both from penalties. Ole's fault though 🤦♂️ Fuck this I'm out. Is anything ever his fault in your eyes? |
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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 16, 2020 22:40:02 GMT
46 attempts on goal in two games. 21 shots in target. 2 goals both from penalties. Ole's fault though 🤦♂️ Fuck this I'm out. We always do this to ourselves. Maybe if the stick was directed where it should be they wouldnt be a shower of pricks in front of goal. We dominated the whole 2nd half, had double digit goal scoring chances and its Oles fault? Put the blame on the players people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:40:44 GMT
46 attempts on goal in two games. 21 shots in target. 2 goals both from penalties. Ole's fault though 🤦♂️ Fuck this I'm out. Is anything ever his fault in your eyes? Plenty. But he's brought players in and made improvements. Its frustrating I get thst but fucking hell anybody would think hes the only person to blame the way people bang on. There are 11 players out in the pitch and Ole Out is fucking trending. We've hammered every manager since Fergie retired and where has it got us? People are acting like we've finished outside the top 6 ffs. I'm all for criticism but constant beating of the guy. What's the fucking point? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:41:54 GMT
46 attempts on goal in two games. 21 shots in target. 2 goals both from penalties. Ole's fault though 🤦♂️ Fuck this I'm out. We always do this to ourselves. Maybe if the stick was directed where it should be they wouldnt be a shower of pricks in front of goal. We dominated the whole 2nd half, had double digit goal scoring chances and its Oles fault? Put the blame on the players people. Exactly. Which is why I mentioned the stats. Always the managers fauot never the players. Would have thought people would have realised this by now. |
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Post by caino on Aug 16, 2020 22:44:33 GMT
46 attempts on goal in two games. 21 shots in target. 2 goals both from penalties. Ole's fault though 🤦♂️ Fuck this I'm out. We always do this to ourselves. Maybe if the stick was directed where it should be they wouldnt be a shower of pricks in front of goal. We dominated the whole 2nd half, had double digit goal scoring chances and its Oles fault? Put the blame on the players people. So what your saying is blame Martial and Greenwood for not finishing their changes ? The players that have carried us alongside Bruno... It’s not a coincidence we have failed in 3 Semi finals. It’s preparation. Coaching. Tactics. Substitutions. If ole does want to carry on next year he needs to straight up call the board out otherwise he’s as bad as them |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 16, 2020 22:45:49 GMT
Is anything ever his fault in your eyes? Plenty. But he's brought players in and made improvements. Its frustrating I get thst but fucking hell anybody would think hes the only person to blame the way people bang on. There are 11 players out in the pitch and Ole Out is fucking trending. We've hammered every manager since Fergie retired and where has it got us? People are acting like we've finished outside the top 6 ffs. I'm all for criticism but constant beating of the guy. What's the fucking point? The single only reason we didn't is that 3 rivals had shit seasons and Leicester shit the bed from about Christmas onwards. That doesn't happen and we finish 7th and trophy less. 66 points got 6th last season. 6th the season before. 7th the season before that. So United could easily have had the exact same season in terms of our performances and results, and finished 7th. Very, very easily. Would criticism of Ole be fair then? Even though literally nothing had changed in regards to United or Ole? |
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Post by caino on Aug 16, 2020 22:48:14 GMT
Like it was said before. Has Nagelsmann done better than Ole? Spending less & selling their star CF ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:55:32 GMT
Plenty. But he's brought players in and made improvements. Its frustrating I get thst but fucking hell anybody would think hes the only person to blame the way people bang on. There are 11 players out in the pitch and Ole Out is fucking trending. We've hammered every manager since Fergie retired and where has it got us? People are acting like we've finished outside the top 6 ffs. I'm all for criticism but constant beating of the guy. What's the fucking point? The single only reason we didn't is that 3 rivals had shit seasons and Leicester shit the bed from about Christmas onwards. That doesn't happen and we finish 7th and trophy less. 66 points got 6th last season. 6th the season before. 7th the season before that. So United could easily have had the exact same season in terms of our performances and results, and finished 7th. Very, very easily. Would criticism of Ole be fair then? Even though literally nothing had changed in regards to United or Ole? You could always look at what ifs though. I prefer to look at reality. The reality is hes had a better 2nd season. Not as big improvements as I'd like to see but Improvements all the same. I'm not saying hes perfect, hes far from it but it seems so many are content to blame the one man off the pitch and excuse the 11 on it. He needs the board to back him or we're back to square one. I dont see the point banging the Ole out drum. It does nothing. I'm as frustrated as the next but its the same boring shit whenever we lose. When we win you hear nothing. They players need to state accepting responsibility instead of hiding behind another manager. |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 16, 2020 23:09:42 GMT
You could always look at what ifs though. I prefer to look at reality. The reality is hes had a better 2nd season. Not as big improvements as I'd like to see but Improvements all the same. I'm not saying hes perfect, hes far from it but it seems so many are content to blame the one man off the pitch and excuse the 11 on it. He needs the board to back him or we're back to square one. I dont see the point banging the Ole out drum. It does nothing. I'm as frustrated as the next but its the same boring shit whenever we lose. When we win you hear nothing. They players need to state accepting responsibility instead of hiding behind another manager. I get what your saying, and technically you're right. He was given the job of getting United back into the Champions League and he's achieved that. But to spend 200M (or about 120m Net) and end up with the exact same result as last season, 66 points on the board and no trophies won, is far from what we should be both aiming for and achiving. Ifs and buts and all that, but on paper we could have simply saved all that money by not buying or selling anyone, and the end result would have been the same. 3rd place finish with 66 points. After all, Young and Smalling and Lukaku and Sanchez were good enough to get to 66 points last season, why not this one as well? Then we'd have a huge warchest for this summer. If Liverpool or City had done it we'd be ripping into them. Likewise, if Ole was managing either of those we'd be pleading with them not to sack him. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 16, 2020 23:24:13 GMT
The single only reason we didn't is that 3 rivals had shit seasons and Leicester shit the bed from about Christmas onwards. That doesn't happen and we finish 7th and trophy less. 66 points got 6th last season. 6th the season before. 7th the season before that. So United could easily have had the exact same season in terms of our performances and results, and finished 7th. Very, very easily. Would criticism of Ole be fair then? Even though literally nothing had changed in regards to United or Ole? You could always look at what ifs though. I prefer to look at reality. The reality is hes had a better 2nd season. Not as big improvements as I'd like to see but Improvements all the same. I'm not saying hes perfect, hes far from it but it seems so many are content to blame the one man off the pitch and excuse the 11 on it. He needs the board to back him or we're back to square one. I dont see the point banging the Ole out drum. It does nothing. I'm as frustrated as the next but its the same boring shit whenever we lose. When we win you hear nothing. They players need to state accepting responsibility instead of hiding behind another manager. The reality is we finished on the same points and with the same number of zero trophies. That is definitively not improvement. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 16, 2020 23:24:52 GMT
A million times this. Who should Lingard have come on for? Andreas? Mata is the most over rated player in our squad and doesn’t fit our current system. Igalho isn’t actually that good. Every single one of you would take a half dead Martial/Greenwood/Rashford (which he was) over any of that lot every single time. I’m thoroughly disgusted that we went out as are a lot of you, but direct that anger at Ed and Joel Glazer for not giving this manager, the previous manager or your favourite manager who you think should replace Ole, any of the tools to actually do their jobs. Our first string is pretty decent when healthy, and after that it’s a tire fire. Sevilla could, and did, change it. We can’t bc the squad is so pathetically thin and bereft of talent. Yes, there were positives post restart, but if Ed doesn’t get his finger out we are gonna be mid table next season bc the first 11 will be shattered by Christmas. They brought on a striker who has scored 7 goals in 44 games this season, a striker who scored 0 in 12 at Newcastle. You say they could change it like they brought Ole and Teddy on. Luuk De Jong is horseshite but they gambled and gave him a shot anyway. You've just made every ones points for them. Even a shit player can win you a game, you don't just leave tired, underperforming players on the pitch and hope something somehow happens. Stat argument, bc you brought it up: Igalho - 11 apps. 0 goals. Mata - 19 apps. 0 goals. Lingard - 22 apps. 1 goal. Andreas - 25 apps. 1 goal. Bailey - 4 apps. 0 goals. TFM - 12 apps 0 goals. James - 33 apps. 3 goals. Matic - 21 apps. 0 goals. McTominay - 27 apps. 4 goals. League stats, the same as DeJong’s Newcastle stats you quoted. 154 apps. 9 goals for our entire bench. Luuk DeJong - 33 apps. 6 goals. Munir El Haddadi - 21 apps. 5 goals. Franco Vasquez - 31 apps. 3 goals. The Sevilla players brought on before the took the lead. Sergio Escudero (11 apps and 1 goal) and Óliver Torres (28 apps and 3 goals) round out double the amount of goals their bench have scored vs ours. Eye test argument: Would you have Ole bring McTominay off the bench to rescue a European semi? Bc he’s scored more than our attackers almost combined. The man is managing with one hand tied behind his back. Throwing some manner of shite against a wall and praying something sticks isn’t management. Our tired and under performing players have a better chance of snatching something than any one on that bench. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 16, 2020 23:25:51 GMT
Nobody has said a damn thing about getting more time. Better players. That’s what was said. Big difference. All three pundits said it on national TV. Who were those? |
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Post by caino on Aug 16, 2020 23:35:40 GMT
They brought on a striker who has scored 7 goals in 44 games this season, a striker who scored 0 in 12 at Newcastle. You say they could change it like they brought Ole and Teddy on. Luuk De Jong is horseshite but they gambled and gave him a shot anyway. You've just made every ones points for them. Even a shit player can win you a game, you don't just leave tired, underperforming players on the pitch and hope something somehow happens. Stat argument, bc you brought it up: Igalho - 11 apps. 0 goals. Mata - 19 apps. 0 goals. Lingard - 22 apps. 1 goal. Andreas - 25 apps. 1 goal. Bailey - 4 apps. 0 goals. TFM - 12 apps 0 goals. James - 33 apps. 3 goals. Matic - 21 apps. 0 goals. McTominay - 27 apps. 4 goals. League stats, the same as DeJong’s Newcastle stats you quoted. 154 apps. 9 goals for our entire bench. Luuk DeJong - 33 apps. 6 goals. Munir El Haddadi - 21 apps. 5 goals. Franco Vasquez - 31 apps. 3 goals. The Sevilla players brought on before the took the lead. Sergio Escudero (11 apps and 1 goal) and Óliver Torres (28 apps and 3 goals) round out double the amount of goals their bench have scored vs ours. Eye test argument: Would you have Ole bring McTominay off the bench to rescue a European semi? Bc he’s scored more than our attackers almost combined. The man is managing with one hand tied behind his back. Throwing some manner of shite against a wall and praying something sticks isn’t management. Our tired and under performing players have a better chance of snatching something than any one on that bench. Mata came off the bench and won us the game against Copenhagen When something isn’t working you have to try something different . If that doesn’t work then you can say we tried everything ... |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 16, 2020 23:43:15 GMT
Stat argument, bc you brought it up: Igalho - 11 apps. 0 goals. Mata - 19 apps. 0 goals. Lingard - 22 apps. 1 goal. Andreas - 25 apps. 1 goal. Bailey - 4 apps. 0 goals. TFM - 12 apps 0 goals. James - 33 apps. 3 goals. Matic - 21 apps. 0 goals. McTominay - 27 apps. 4 goals. League stats, the same as DeJong’s Newcastle stats you quoted. 154 apps. 9 goals for our entire bench. Luuk DeJong - 33 apps. 6 goals. Munir El Haddadi - 21 apps. 5 goals. Franco Vasquez - 31 apps. 3 goals. The Sevilla players brought on before the took the lead. Sergio Escudero (11 apps and 1 goal) and Óliver Torres (28 apps and 3 goals) round out double the amount of goals their bench have scored vs ours. Eye test argument: Would you have Ole bring McTominay off the bench to rescue a European semi? Bc he’s scored more than our attackers almost combined. The man is managing with one hand tied behind his back. Throwing some manner of shite against a wall and praying something sticks isn’t management. Our tired and under performing players have a better chance of snatching something than any one on that bench. Except that's literally what Sevilla did. Brought a shite sub on, someone who has had pretty much no impact on their season at all, in the hope he could do something. And he scored the winner. It's not Ole's fault that he went out and brought in Ighalo, and then extended his loan, but also thinks he's so shit that he doesn't dare give him more than a last second desperate couple of minutes in a semi final we're losing. Suppose that's not Ole's fault though. Because reasons. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Aug 17, 2020 0:00:35 GMT
Stat argument, bc you brought it up: Igalho - 11 apps. 0 goals. Mata - 19 apps. 0 goals. Lingard - 22 apps. 1 goal. Andreas - 25 apps. 1 goal. Bailey - 4 apps. 0 goals. TFM - 12 apps 0 goals. James - 33 apps. 3 goals. Matic - 21 apps. 0 goals. McTominay - 27 apps. 4 goals. League stats, the same as DeJong’s Newcastle stats you quoted. 154 apps. 9 goals for our entire bench. Luuk DeJong - 33 apps. 6 goals. Munir El Haddadi - 21 apps. 5 goals. Franco Vasquez - 31 apps. 3 goals. The Sevilla players brought on before the took the lead. Sergio Escudero (11 apps and 1 goal) and Óliver Torres (28 apps and 3 goals) round out double the amount of goals their bench have scored vs ours. Eye test argument: Would you have Ole bring McTominay off the bench to rescue a European semi? Bc he’s scored more than our attackers almost combined. The man is managing with one hand tied behind his back. Throwing some manner of shite against a wall and praying something sticks isn’t management. Our tired and under performing players have a better chance of snatching something than any one on that bench. Except that's literally what Sevilla did. Brought a shite sub on, someone who has had pretty much no impact on their season at all, in the hope he could do something. And he scored the winner. It's not Ole's fault that he went out and brought in Ighalo, and then extended his loan, but also thinks he's so shit that he doesn't dare give him more than a last second desperate couple of minutes in a semi final we're losing. Suppose that's not Ole's fault though. Because reasons. Luuk De Jong has literally more league goals than our entire bench combined bar McTominay. We don’t have anyone the caliber of ‘0 goals for Newcastle’ De Jong on our bench, and seeing as you ignored the rest of the post, I’m assuming you wouldn’t have brought him on to get us a goal despite him being our top scorer off the bench. And no, that’s not Ole’s fault. And just so we’re clear, the master plan should’ve been Igalho to the rescue but Ole the idiot didn’t recognize it, yeah? |
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