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Post by Stretty on Nov 7, 2020 20:08:27 GMT
Let’s be clear- no one wants Ole to fail. He’s a genuine club legend and a great guy to boot. But plenty of legends have gone on to be mediocre managers- Keane, Bruce, Hughes, Robson, the list goes on. It’s sadly obvious that Ole is of similar ability. I don’t see how that can be doubted after 2 years and mainly ordinary football and results. There are Numerous better managers in the league and 2 not in employment currently. It’s romantic and foolish to think he’s going to improve. Well clearly some do if they want us to lose, maybe not on here but plenty have come out and said it leading up to the game. Its embarrassing. i would only want this if it meant getting rid of the glazers. id JUST ABOUT take relegation(the ultimate humiliation)if it meant they where gone. |
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Post by Tatty on Nov 7, 2020 20:35:49 GMT
Just wanna say, Hameggs was awful in this game. Totally anonymous. Shaw and McSauce had him well patrolled. Calvert Lewin was well marshalled too, their goal excepted
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Post by Tatty on Nov 7, 2020 20:37:25 GMT
Let’s be clear- no one wants Ole to fail. He’s a genuine club legend and a great guy to boot. But plenty of legends have gone on to be mediocre managers- Keane, Bruce, Hughes, Robson, the list goes on. It’s sadly obvious that Ole is of similar ability. I don’t see how that can be doubted after 2 years and mainly ordinary football and results. There are Numerous better managers in the league and 2 not in employment currently. It’s romantic and foolish to think he’s going to improve. I never want us to lose a game of football, however for the greater good, I would’ve adopted a grin and bear it philosophy today, had we taken a pasting. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 7, 2020 22:25:53 GMT
it's all about respecting opinions and it's nice to see different opinions as they help one actually look at things a different way. but all that being said no one will convince me that the current manager will get the consistent run, style of play, tactical acumen and world class overall management/coaching that will get us back to the top of the mountain. If people want to face reality it's simply the fact he is a lovely director of football type person, the work in the market getting rid of the below average players that have worn the shirt has been good. If he makes it through to February he should place ensure he continues the job by ridding us of lingard, jones, rojo and pogba, after that he can hand the reins over to a better equipped manager that will take the players we have to a higher level. If he is sacked i'd genuinely like him to be the DOF as i believe he knows the sort that should wear the shirt and it's not all about shiny toys for him. What about getting a DoF in to help him and keeping Ole as manager? |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 7, 2020 22:31:52 GMT
Well clearly some do if they want us to lose, maybe not on here but plenty have come out and said it leading up to the game. Its embarrassing. i would only want this if it meant getting rid of the glazers. id JUST ABOUT take relegation(the ultimate humiliation)if it meant they where gone. It’ll never happen though, we’re not as bad as that! Although ,as I’ve harped on ,on here before, we played some brilliant football when we were in Division 2 under The Doc. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 7, 2020 22:38:48 GMT
it's all about respecting opinions and it's nice to see different opinions as they help one actually look at things a different way. but all that being said no one will convince me that the current manager will get the consistent run, style of play, tactical acumen and world class overall management/coaching that will get us back to the top of the mountain. If people want to face reality it's simply the fact he is a lovely director of football type person, the work in the market getting rid of the below average players that have worn the shirt has been good. If he makes it through to February he should place ensure he continues the job by ridding us of lingard, jones, rojo and pogba, after that he can hand the reins over to a better equipped manager that will take the players we have to a higher level. If he is sacked i'd genuinely like him to be the DOF as i believe he knows the sort that should wear the shirt and it's not all about shiny toys for him. What about getting a DoF in to help him and keeping Ole as manager? No get a decent manager in. Solskjaer spent 130 million on 2 defenders and our defence has gotten worse. Then there’s James. Let’s also not forget he wanted Longstaff and King. He’s made 2 good signings. One today who practically saved his job last season and the other who never hardly plays. We made a mistake hiring him. Let’s not compound it. |
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Post by Karma on Nov 7, 2020 22:49:02 GMT
Aye fair point. I can accept peoples views of wanting Ole gone, dont necessarily agree with all of them. The problem I have is the witch-hunt and the fact people actually want us to lose to get him out. That shit is embarrassing. One thing wanting us to lose, but to lose to scousers aswell. Shits insane. Completely agree. There is a disgusting element of our support that has found its voice post Fergie. Imagine hoping a bonafide club legend fails so you can revel in the fact that the triangle of shit that is Ed/Joel Glazer and the underperforming players have stabbed him in the back. ‘‘Twas bad enough when it happened to Jose (and in hindsight LvG), but Ole is one of us. There is no way we should be siding with the board or the players over him. I get being angry. I’m angry. Direct that anger where it belongs. Ed. Joel Glazer (and the rest of those gimps.) The players who have done for the last two managers and are looking to repeat the trick. The manager (especially when he’s one of us) over all of them. When there were many on here arguing that Jose needed to get more out of his team having got to 81 points I was one of the few that defended him and said once he went we might actually appreciate what he did. I don’t ever remember us being as low as 15th even in his self sabotaging season. In all the time post Fergie even under Moyes I never remember games going from great to gash in the same manner as under Solskjaer. |
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Post by aussiegraham on Nov 7, 2020 22:53:10 GMT
Top scorer last season, but yeah, he’s not a good player. How many more could he have had if not for missing some absolute sitters. Most notably in crucial sem finals! You think hes good enough to be leading the line for us week in week out? For tou he does enough? Lumping him in with previous strikers (Dong, Diouf and Falcao come to mind) who really were shit is plain stupid. Nowhere have I said that he’s suitable leading our line or that he has to play as he’s better than others we have. He frustrates the life out of me (as did Berba) but he’s a talent, just when he wants to display it. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 7, 2020 22:53:52 GMT
Nope, I’m sticking with #OleIn at the moment, after (briefly) flirting with the idea of him being sacked.
The “word” out there (Luckhurst etc) also seems to agree that the club will not sack him unless and until the team produce such an utter shit show of results that sacking him would be the kindest thing to do.
If we win our game in hand, our position in the league will be drastically improved-although we probably won’t knowing us!
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Post by Paul on Nov 7, 2020 23:07:57 GMT
Nope, I’m sticking with #OleIn at the moment, after (briefly) flirting with the idea of him being sacked. The “word” out there (Luckhurst etc) also seems to agree that the club will not sack him unless and until the team produce such an utter shit show of results that sacking him would be the kindest thing to do. If we win our game in hand, our position in the league will be drastically improved-although we probably won’t knowing us! Depends if the fixture is home or away I guess  |
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Post by Tatty on Nov 7, 2020 23:09:30 GMT
Martial getting all the pelters, yet Rashford missed two sitters, one was reprieved by a fortunate bounce off the post from a Bruno cross.
Not criticising either player, but providing balance. And Martial missed a sitter too.
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Post by Reduntildeath on Nov 8, 2020 0:46:35 GMT
Nope, I’m sticking with #OleIn at the moment, after (briefly) flirting with the idea of him being sacked. The “word” out there (Luckhurst etc) also seems to agree that the club will not sack him unless and until the team produce such an utter shit show of results that sacking him would be the kindest thing to do. If we win our game in hand, our position in the league will be drastically improved-although we probably won’t knowing us! Depends if the fixture is home or away I guess Home v The Baggies on 21/11/20 🙏🙏 |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 8, 2020 6:52:01 GMT
it's all about respecting opinions and it's nice to see different opinions as they help one actually look at things a different way. but all that being said no one will convince me that the current manager will get the consistent run, style of play, tactical acumen and world class overall management/coaching that will get us back to the top of the mountain. If people want to face reality it's simply the fact he is a lovely director of football type person, the work in the market getting rid of the below average players that have worn the shirt has been good. If he makes it through to February he should place ensure he continues the job by ridding us of lingard, jones, rojo and pogba, after that he can hand the reins over to a better equipped manager that will take the players we have to a higher level. If he is sacked i'd genuinely like him to be the DOF as i believe he knows the sort that should wear the shirt and it's not all about shiny toys for him. What about getting a DoF in to help him and keeping Ole as manager? I don’t think he has the qualities needed to be a successful manager unfortunately. I could name them but you would know who they are in terms of players we have that with the right coaching are bang on world class level. Consistency is key |
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Post by oscared on Nov 8, 2020 8:25:19 GMT
Rashford has many qualities mainly his speed but he can be so frustrating, his first touch can be woeful he did it yesterday letting the ball get away from his body allowing a defender to nick the ball, his passing is way off at the moment too. Expecting great things from him in the next few years.
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Post by Stew on Nov 8, 2020 10:52:37 GMT
Rashford has many qualities mainly his speed but he can be so frustrating, his first touch can be woeful he did it yesterday letting the ball get away from his body allowing a defender to nick the ball, his passing is way off at the moment too. Expecting great things from him in the next few years. This is true. He’s capable of some breathtaking moments that get you out of your seat and 2 minutes later he’ll butcher a simple 5 yard pass. I still think he’s our second most important player though. |
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