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Post by Stew on Feb 24, 2021 8:13:38 GMT
So it appears this summer’s big tease is going to be Haaland. Multiple papers are going with it this morning. I wonder what derisory bid Ed will put in to get the ball rolling? 40 mill? J Lingz and 15 with add-ons? I just hope people aren’t too despondent when we end up with Danny Ings. as daft as it sounds, Lingard would do well at dortmund. id much rather get 30m off west ham though. then your half way there to sancho. Not quite. Sancho is 85 million this summer by all accounts. |
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Post by Kojak on Feb 24, 2021 9:18:18 GMT
A goalkeeper is usually only as good as his defense. Just putting it out there seeing as I'm seeing a lot of unfair things being written here about probably the best player we have had over the past 8 or 9 years. If a goalkeeper was only as good as his defence, De Gea would’ve been shit the second Fergie retired. I don’t think anything that’s been said is unfair. Most people have acknowledged his ability and quality in seasons gone by, but how long do you wait to see if he can get back to that? It’s been nearly three years. I loved Kanchelskis. Probably loved Ince too even though it’s hard to imagine a time when that was true. But we were right to shift them out when we did. Dave at his peak was immense but there’s no room for sentiment. People keep flapping on about “elite mentality” and “elite clubs” and that, well this is the kind of thing they do. |
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Post by redcase on Feb 24, 2021 10:23:28 GMT
A goalkeeper is usually only as good as his defense. Just putting it out there seeing as I'm seeing a lot of unfair things being written here about probably the best player we have had over the past 8 or 9 years. If a goalkeeper was only as good as his defence, De Gea would’ve been shit the second Fergie retired. I don’t think anything that’s been said is unfair. Most people have acknowledged his ability and quality in seasons gone by, but how long do you wait to see if he can get back to that? It’s been nearly three years. I loved Kanchelskis. Probably loved Ince too even though it’s hard to imagine a time when that was true. But we were right to shift them out when we did. Dave at his peak was immense but there’s no room for sentiment. People keep flapping on about “elite mentality” and “elite clubs” and that, well this is the kind of thing they do.
This is hysterical in its irony because our current manager is surviving on every last drop of sentiment that he can muster. We are not an elite club simply because he's been allowed to continue proving how out of his depth he is. So I don't think we should flex our "elite club" muscles on our keeper who has been our best player for too many years to count. This entire problem could have been avoided if our manager could split duties between De Gea and Henderson in the first place. Seeing as he refuses, it is once again, his fault. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 24, 2021 10:34:46 GMT
Dave deserves a move to Juve or PSG. Bar the odd wobble he’s been a phenomenal player for us. We’ve failed him if anything. Let him go and win some trophies, his talent deserved it. He’s too old to hang about to see it yet another of our rebuilds amounts to anything.* Let the man go.
*It almost certainly won’t.
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Post by Kojak on Feb 24, 2021 13:41:25 GMT
If a goalkeeper was only as good as his defence, De Gea would’ve been shit the second Fergie retired. I don’t think anything that’s been said is unfair. Most people have acknowledged his ability and quality in seasons gone by, but how long do you wait to see if he can get back to that? It’s been nearly three years. I loved Kanchelskis. Probably loved Ince too even though it’s hard to imagine a time when that was true. But we were right to shift them out when we did. Dave at his peak was immense but there’s no room for sentiment. People keep flapping on about “elite mentality” and “elite clubs” and that, well this is the kind of thing they do.
This is hysterical in its irony because our current manager is surviving on every last drop of sentiment that he can muster. We are not an elite club simply because he's been allowed to continue proving how out of his depth he is. So I don't think we should flex our "elite club" muscles on our keeper who has been our best player for too many years to count. This entire problem could have been avoided if our manager could split duties between De Gea and Henderson in the first place. Seeing as he refuses, it is once again, his fault.The problem isn’t really Henderson ALLEGEDLY saying he’ll leave due to lack of playing time. The problem is De Gea’s form in general. If he was splitting their playing time down the middle of whatever, then De Gea would still be making mistakes in the games he was playing. 3/4 of the defenders you named only played on for one season after Fergie went and I think Rio and Vidic were both in and out that season because of age/injury. De Gea was brilliant that year and brilliant the years after regardless of who was in front of him. Just cos he’s got two dopes in front of him now doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be able to catch a ball, kick a ball, or parry a ball into a safe area. I do also agree with the other point that we’ve failed him though. We have. He was excellent for years and we didn’t build the team he deserved. Maybe his motivation has gone and a move away would benefit him anyway to help get it back. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 24, 2021 13:50:02 GMT
The key thing in all this for me is, we better not fail Bruno too. As has been mentioned previously, Pogba has been a very mixed bag since he returned but I can’t imagine we’ve delivered on very many of the promises we made when we sold him on coming back. You can imagine the types of signings we pitched him. I’d love to get a look at that list and compare it to the reality. We’re in grave danger of doing the same to Bruno. And if we do I wouldn’t deny him a move to Real down the line.
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Post by Carbon on Feb 24, 2021 15:39:20 GMT
Raiola: "Only a maximum of 10 clubs can afford to buy [Haaland] and give the platform you would like after you've been in Dortmund… and four of those clubs are in [England]." city rents spursscouse it may not be those but we sure can’t afford him
Spurs that have just had a new stadium and traditionally do not spend load Spurs?
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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 24, 2021 16:12:53 GMT
city rents spursscouse it may not be those but we sure can’t afford him
Spurs that have just had a new stadium and traditionally do not spend load Spurs?
Also Spurs who traditionally don’t win anything and have bottled more than any club the past 10 years. I think yes, that Spurs. |
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Post by kstandhand on Feb 24, 2021 16:20:47 GMT
Spurs that have just had a new stadium and traditionally do not spend load Spurs?
Also Spurs who traditionally don’t win anything and have bottled more than any club the past 10 years. I think yes, that Spurs. Riaola is not stupid,he will Haaland will sit tight for another season,most of the 10 clubs he mentions are skint & currently could not entertain it. |
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Post by Reduntildeath on Feb 24, 2021 17:56:02 GMT
city rents spursscouse it may not be those but we sure can’t afford him
Spurs that have just had a new stadium and traditionally do not spend load Spurs?
Ain’t no way on God’s Green Earth that Levy will dip his toe into that water, unless he can shift Kane on for £150 million+ |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 24, 2021 18:49:16 GMT
Spurs that have just had a new stadium and traditionally do not spend load Spurs?
Ain’t no way on God’s Green Earth that Levy will dip his toe into that water, unless he can shift Kane on for £150 million+ Even then Haaland wont go to a club which never wins anything. |
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Post by Stretty on Feb 24, 2021 21:25:47 GMT
Yeh i thought the spurs inclusion in that list would get a few replies but I think the way we are heading under the glazers were not far from being in the same boat
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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 24, 2021 22:16:39 GMT
We’re apparently reluctant to meet the release clause for Kounde, which is £68 million. Fuck off Ed and Joel.
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 25, 2021 2:13:53 GMT
We’re apparently reluctant to meet the release clause for Kounde, which is £68 million. Fuck off Ed and Joel. It's a fair amount of money but honestly, just pay it. Stop fannying on to try and save a few million. You can't haggle and play hard ball when desperate, and everyone and their dog knows we're desperate for a quality centre back. Think back to 2002 as a for example. Leeds were financially fucked, big time. We could have acted like nobs and tried to low ball them on Rio, but instead just paid what they asked. 10 years later he still looked a complete steal. You know today we'd offer half that amount and he would end up at City or Chelsea, or abroad. If this kid is worth it then the money doesn't matter long term. |
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Post by viking22 on Feb 25, 2021 9:59:25 GMT
Yeah it is the going rate for quality young centre backs these days. City paid something similar for Dias and look how well that turned out. But I am sure most of our transfer budget has been earmarked for a glamour signing like Sancho or Haaland which won't happen.
Can't really see Haaland joining us. He didn't want to join us first time round when only we and Dortmund were in the running. And now everyone wants him. I think City or Real Madrid are the most likely destinations for him.
And I think top priorities should be a quality centre back and a right winger. Cavani and Greenwood can compete for the number 9 spot.
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