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Post by GeniusCantona on Feb 19, 2021 12:51:02 GMT
The big question is how do we go from the West Brom and Sheff Utd performances to that last night? De Gea and Linda we were dropped but there has to be more to it, the consistency is poles apart. They played into our hands by allowing us the space in behind to counter. We’ve gotten better at unlocking defences this season but we still in general struggle more against the West Brom ethos of sitting in deep. As long as Ole continues with two limited and holding midfielders against teams sitting deep we will always struggle. A bolder approach by playing only one of Fred or McT is a start. |
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Post by Kojak on Feb 19, 2021 13:10:24 GMT
They played into our hands by allowing us the space in behind to counter. We’ve gotten better at unlocking defences this season but we still in general struggle more against the West Brom ethos of sitting in deep. Exactly. Still the best way of beating us is to let us have the ball. Any team who plays a high line against us is crazy given the speed we have in the forwards. Sit back against us, rattle Bruno and you have a far better chance of doing us. We’re surely one of the best counter attacking teams in the world. It was either stupidity on their part having not done enough research on how we play, or naivety that they thought they could play that way against us. Nice to see a team underestimate the quality that we possess and for us to punish them for it. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 19, 2021 13:29:56 GMT
They played into our hands by allowing us the space in behind to counter. We’ve gotten better at unlocking defences this season but we still in general struggle more against the West Brom ethos of sitting in deep. As long as Ole continues with two limited and holding midfielders against teams sitting deep we will always struggle. A bolder approach by playing only one of Fred or McT is a start. But what other options does he have ? Matic is slow , pogba is injured , DVB offered nothing much the few times he did play |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 19, 2021 13:41:19 GMT
They played into our hands by allowing us the space in behind to counter. We’ve gotten better at unlocking defences this season but we still in general struggle more against the West Brom ethos of sitting in deep. Exactly. Still the best way of beating us is to let us have the ball. Any team who plays a high line against us is crazy given the speed we have in the forwards. Sit back against us, rattle Bruno and you have a far better chance of doing us. Any team is going to struggle against a low block unless there is an early goal. Teams which does well against such tactics generally have top class strikers who can finish that early rare chance which open up the game. Martial , Rashford are not very sharp in front of goal in current form. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 19, 2021 13:50:51 GMT
Exactly. Still the best way of beating us is to let us have the ball. Any team who plays a high line against us is crazy given the speed we have in the forwards. Sit back against us, rattle Bruno and you have a far better chance of doing us. Any team is going to struggle against a low block with unless there is an early goal. Teams which does well against such tactics generally have top class strikers who can finish that early rare chance which open up the game. Martial , Rashford are not very sharp in front of goal in current form. City never struggle against a low block and now rarely have a striker in the side. Bayern, Barca of a few years ago, anytime I’ve watched them against smaller teams they are facing sides that sit way deep. They have/had clinical strikers but also players capable of unlocking defences. Look at City- arguably 4 players in any team they send out can unlock a defense, KDB, Silva, Sterling (more through pace) Mahrez. I think the biggest issue we have is we have two players in and only Bruno who can do it regularly. It puts massive pressure on him and will effectively end our season if he were to get hurt. We need at least one more game changer. It might be Diallo. It should have been Sancho. If we had Rashford, Bruno and Sancho we could be a serious outfit. Rashford is still inconsistent so we rely far too much on Bruno. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 19, 2021 13:58:41 GMT
Any team is going to struggle against a low block with unless there is an early goal. Teams which does well against such tactics generally have top class strikers who can finish that early rare chance which open up the game. Martial , Rashford are not very sharp in front of goal in current form. City never struggle against a low block and now rarely have a striker in the side. Bayern, Barca of a few years ago, anytime I’ve watched them against smaller teams they are facing teams that sit way deep. They have/had clinical strikers but also players capable of unlocking defences. Look at City- arguably 4 players in any team they send out can unlock a defense, KDB, Silva, Sterling (more through pace) Mahrez. I think the biggest issue we have is we have two players in and only Bruno who can do it regularly. It puts massive pressure on him and will effectively end our season if he were to get hurt. We need at least one more game changer. It might be Diallo. It should have been Sancho. If we had Rashford, Bruno and Sancho we could be a serious outfit. Rashford is still inconsistent so we rely far too much on Bruno. Yes this too , definitely need more creativity from midfield , pogba when he decides to put in a shift while trying to impress new suitors/aiming for better contract can be one of those. For whatever reasons , he was getting to his best before getting injured. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 19, 2021 14:01:44 GMT
As long as Ole continues with two limited and holding midfielders against teams sitting deep we will always struggle. A bolder approach by playing only one of Fred or McT is a start. But what other options does he have ? Matic is slow , pogba is injured , DVB offered nothing much the few times he did play Literally not playing two defensive midfielders. That's another option. Play Mata in his actual position, or van de Beek instead of asking him to be a Bruno Fernandes tribute act. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 19, 2021 14:25:20 GMT
But what other options does he have ? Matic is slow , pogba is injured , DVB offered nothing much the few times he did play Literally not playing two defensive midfielders. That's another option. Play Mata in his actual position, or van de Beek instead of asking him to be a Bruno Fernandes tribute act. Playing Mata as no.10 means Bruno has to move from his best position , ann donny tbh is not much better than scott in current form. I agree donny needs a run of games but he is not going to step in and be the creative player many are hoping to be , may be he will do better in a 3 with pogba and scott |
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Post by oscared on Feb 19, 2021 15:16:26 GMT
It was pretty obvious that there was less messing about playing out from the back, Henderson has a long kick on him too he started Rashford`s goal by rolling out quickly to Fred who laid it on a plate.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 19, 2021 16:29:52 GMT
Literally not playing two defensive midfielders. That's another option. Play Mata in his actual position, or van de Beek instead of asking him to be a Bruno Fernandes tribute act. Playing Mata as no.10 means Bruno has to move from his best position , ann donny tbh is not much better than scott in current form. I agree donny needs a run of games but he is not going to step in and be the creative player many are hoping to be , may be he will do better in a 3 with pogba and scott Bruno's best position is anywhere he wants to go on the pitch. Allow him to roam while Mata plays between the width of the 18 yard box - play to their strengths. Or have van de Beek and Bruno. One of McTominay or Fred has to drop out if we aren't chickening out of games against teams where two defensive midfielders isn't required. |
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Post by Kojak on Feb 19, 2021 16:42:50 GMT
I think that lack of a proper right winger really hinders us when we’re trying to break down stubborn opposition. They just sit in and they really only have to focus on defending attacks coming down our left side and trying to stop Bruno. If you’ve got a threat down both sides you can better stretch the opposition. AWB being rubbish going forward is probably another factor in this, although we’ve struggled to break these sides down under every manager since Fergie.
I’ve always thought we could shoot from distance more too. Scholes used to get those goals where he’d drive a proper daisy cutter into the bottom corner through a packed penalty area. We muck about with it a bit too much, those intricate passes rarely work against those type of teams.
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Post by gdmm on Feb 20, 2021 9:59:55 GMT
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