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Post by redcase on Mar 1, 2021 6:00:42 GMT
We are second in the only table that matters. We were pretty good against top 6 under LVG too , didnt help us much did it ? nor did we get any 'Topper of the big 6' trophy for that. Its amazing how people are expecting this team to go to stamford bridge against a supposedly superior manager with a better squad who are in good form and just put 4 or 5 past them.It was always going to be a cagey match and we should have won if the idiot ref gave us the deserved penalty That's not the case at all though. No one is simply expecting that. People are thinking that maybe Manchester United might be able to do a bit better than record the following list of scores in the same season: Man United 0-0 Man City Man United 0-2 Man City Man United 0-1 Arsenal Arsenal 0-0 Man United Man United 0-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Man United Liverpool 0-0 Man United Man United 1-6 Spurs Are you serious defending those results? One goal. A penalty. In 8 games, 5 of them at home. And that's just against the biggest teams. Lets not forget Man United 1-3 Crystal Palace Istanbul Basaksehir 2-1 Man United Man United 1-0 West Brom Man United 1-0 Watford Burnley 0-1 Man United Man United 1-2 Sheff Utd West Brom 1-1 Man United So another 7 goals from those 7 fixtures. That's disgustingly bad. Nah mate he will continue to suck Ole off regardless of where the team ends up.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 1, 2021 7:16:52 GMT
We are second in the only table that matters. We were pretty good against top 6 under LVG too , didnt help us much did it ? nor did we get any 'Topper of the big 6' trophy for that. Its amazing how people are expecting this team to go to stamford bridge against a supposedly superior manager with a better squad who are in good form and just put 4 or 5 past them.It was always going to be a cagey match and we should have won if the idiot ref gave us the deserved penalty That's not the case at all though. No one is simply expecting that. People are thinking that maybe Manchester United might be able to do a bit better than record the following list of scores in the same season: Man United 0-0 Man City Man United 0-2 Man City Man United 0-1 Arsenal Arsenal 0-0 Man United Man United 0-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Man United Liverpool 0-0 Man United Man United 1-6 Spurs Are you serious defending those results? One goal. A penalty. In 8 games, 5 of them at home. And that's just against the biggest teams. Lets not forget Man United 1-3 Crystal Palace Istanbul Basaksehir 2-1 Man United Man United 1-0 West Brom Man United 1-0 Watford Burnley 0-1 Man United Man United 1-2 Sheff Utd West Brom 1-1 Man United So another 7 goals from those 7 fixtures. That's disgustingly bad. Its not good enough , i can see that. And hopefully we will improve that. My problem is with people just picking and choosing stats to push their agenda. Last season when some of us said we think this team is going in right direction it was - but we scored same number of goals and same points as season before , Ole got lucky because other teams screwed up. Its not a 'true' reflection of ole. Now when we are again second in the table and scoring more goals and on the way to more points than before people ignore all those and pick some other stats to say he is not good enough. Pretty sure you ask any spurs supporter if they are willing to exchange their table position with ours they will grab it with both hands even though they are above us in the imaginary top 6 table
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Post by Stew on Mar 1, 2021 7:50:55 GMT
That's not the case at all though. No one is simply expecting that. People are thinking that maybe Manchester United might be able to do a bit better than record the following list of scores in the same season: Man United 0-0 Man City Man United 0-2 Man City Man United 0-1 Arsenal Arsenal 0-0 Man United Man United 0-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Man United Liverpool 0-0 Man United Man United 1-6 Spurs Are you serious defending those results? One goal. A penalty. In 8 games, 5 of them at home. And that's just against the biggest teams. Lets not forget Man United 1-3 Crystal Palace Istanbul Basaksehir 2-1 Man United Man United 1-0 West Brom Man United 1-0 Watford Burnley 0-1 Man United Man United 1-2 Sheff Utd West Brom 1-1 Man United So another 7 goals from those 7 fixtures. That's disgustingly bad. Its not good enough , i can see that. And hopefully we will improve that. My problem is with people just picking and choosing stats to push their agenda. Last season when some of us said we think this team is going in right direction it was - but we scored same number of goals and same points as season before , Ole got lucky because other teams screwed up. Its not a 'true' reflection of ole. Now when we are again second in the table and scoring more goals and on the way to more points than before people ignore all those and pick some other stats to say he is not good enough. Pretty sure you ask any spurs supporter if they are willing to exchange their table position with ours they will grab it with both hands even though they are above us in the imaginary top 6 table If we’re comparing ourselves with Spurs for solace then our fall from grace really is complete.
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Post by redcase on Mar 1, 2021 7:56:55 GMT
Its not good enough , i can see that. And hopefully we will improve that. My problem is with people just picking and choosing stats to push their agenda. Last season when some of us said we think this team is going in right direction it was - but we scored same number of goals and same points as season before , Ole got lucky because other teams screwed up. Its not a 'true' reflection of ole. Now when we are again second in the table and scoring more goals and on the way to more points than before people ignore all those and pick some other stats to say he is not good enough. Pretty sure you ask any spurs supporter if they are willing to exchange their table position with ours they will grab it with both hands even though they are above us in the imaginary top 6 table If we’re comparing ourselves with Spurs for solace then our fall from grace really is complete. Pretty sure if and when we fall down below top 4 he will say some other shite along the lines of "Pretty sure you ask any Burnley supporter if they're willing to exchange table positions....". He's as blinkered as they come with regard to the nonsensical club legend trope.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 1, 2021 7:59:43 GMT
We are second in the only table that matters. We were pretty good against top 6 under LVG too , didnt help us much did it ? nor did we get any 'Topper of the big 6' trophy for that. Its amazing how people are expecting this team to go to stamford bridge against a supposedly superior manager with a better squad who are in good form and just put 4 or 5 past them. It was always going to be a cagey match and we should have won if the idiot ref gave us the deserved penalty Are you dense? Did you even watch the fucking game last night? Which fucker on here said he wants 4 or 5 goals? Point it out or shut the absolute fuck up. We have scored one fucking goal against the top 6 teams in the league. ONE. Which was a dodgy penalty. It wasn't cagey we were shite. I watched the match. I was talking about yesterdays match , not the whole top 6 matches history. We weren't anymore shite than chelsea ,their 'better' manager and a newly assembled obviously talented squad. We struggled with their press , but overall created better chances and would have won the match if that we got that penalty or if scott hadn't screwed up the final pass in that counter attack towards the end in such a promising position.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 1, 2021 8:04:57 GMT
Its not good enough , i can see that. And hopefully we will improve that. My problem is with people just picking and choosing stats to push their agenda. Last season when some of us said we think this team is going in right direction it was - but we scored same number of goals and same points as season before , Ole got lucky because other teams screwed up. Its not a 'true' reflection of ole. Now when we are again second in the table and scoring more goals and on the way to more points than before people ignore all those and pick some other stats to say he is not good enough. Pretty sure you ask any spurs supporter if they are willing to exchange their table position with ours they will grab it with both hands even though they are above us in the imaginary top 6 table If we’re comparing ourselves with Spurs for solace then our fall from grace really is complete. May be we can compare to Liverpool / Arsenal / Chelsea or basically you know any other team other than city who are below our 'amateur' manager.
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Post by Stew on Mar 1, 2021 8:19:03 GMT
If we’re comparing ourselves with Spurs for solace then our fall from grace really is complete. May be we can compare to Liverpool / Arsenal / Chelsea or basically you know any other team other than city who are below our 'amateur' manager. First of all, I never said Ole was an amateur. Secondly, we should compare ourselves with the team leading the league because that’s what Utd are supposed to do. I realise the issues at the club go way past Ole but unfortunately he’s now become complicit in lowering the standards to an alarming level. No amount of talk about rebuilds can hide that.
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Post by caino on Mar 1, 2021 8:22:46 GMT
when fans are actually allowed back to games, to get the owners out they shouldnt go back. wont happen. but it should. let them keep losing money and become a laughing stock.
it will never happen though as pundits keep saying were going in the right direction and never call anyone out.
Ole has reached his Everest and he wont take us any further than what hes took us. hes done a good job to get us out of a big mess but now needs to let an elite mamager come take control. the board wont do that as he keeps them happy.
the squad needs heavy investment to properly compete but that wont happen either.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 1, 2021 8:44:16 GMT
We are second in the only table that matters. We were pretty good against top 6 under LVG too , didnt help us much did it ? nor did we get any 'Topper of the big 6' trophy for that. Its amazing how people are expecting this team to go to stamford bridge against a supposedly superior manager with a better squad who are in good form and just put 4 or 5 past them. It was always going to be a cagey match and we should have won if the idiot ref gave us the deserved penalty Are you actually serious ? Be honest, are you a politician in real life? Or Ole himself? I don't know if you are deliberately trying to strawman or if you are really just this delusional. Nevermind four or five goals, just some real intent to actually win one these games would be a seismic improvement.
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Post by kstandhand on Mar 1, 2021 8:59:03 GMT
It's as bad as Sexton's United,but at least he got to one final & came very close to winning the damn thing. You only have to look at how OGS sets up to realise that the stats however you look at them vs the big six don't lie,we are never going to break decent sides down consistently. Bruno may be the best 10 in the prem,but he's not not a line breaking runner or defence splitting passer getting balls in behind & when you then constantly set up with two defensive CM's behind him,you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see where our problems are.
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Post by dazjoe on Mar 1, 2021 9:07:34 GMT
Sheff Utd and West Brom are two of the worst teams the Premier League has seen for some time.
In games against the traditional big 6 Sheff Utd have scored 9 goals, West Brom 6, Man United 1 penalty.
Just dwell on that for a moment.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Mar 1, 2021 9:16:35 GMT
Must say at the time of that 0-0 draw with Liverpool back in Jan I didn't see a great issue. In my mind it was a solid away performance against the reigning champions. But that performance has repeated itself since and it's also now easier to go back to results before that against bigger sides. In isolation, a boring 0-0 against a rival really is acceptable, might even be a deciding point in a title race but when it becomes the norm it really does become a problem.
Almost all of those games have been there for the taking too, with a bit more invention or risk or just any kind of ideas. We've arguably looked the better, more comfortable side in most of them.
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Post by Karma on Mar 1, 2021 9:25:47 GMT
It’s a house built on sand . It relies on Bruno or Rashford to dig us out. Or a penalty.
Remember when we were in sight of top 4 in his caretaker season and then ran out of steam ?
Or the semi finals we blew?
Only needing not to lose against PSG and Leipzig to go through.
Then once we actually got 1st he told everyone we weren’t in a title race only to do a u turn by suggesting we weren’t going to give up without a fight.
I’m staggered he’s got away with it so long until I remember who we’re owned by.
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Post by caino on Mar 1, 2021 10:14:03 GMT
to be fair. i dont think we were bad yesterday. what subs could he have made to go win the game ? he set up with a high press and they had hardly any chances.
we just fell short in team overall quality yesterday.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 1, 2021 10:55:53 GMT
May be we can compare to Liverpool / Arsenal / Chelsea or basically you know any other team other than city who are below our 'amateur' manager. First of all, I never said Ole was an amateur. Secondly, we should compare ourselves with the team leading the league because that’s what Utd are supposed to do. I realise the issues at the club go way past Ole but unfortunately he’s now become complicit in lowering the standards to an alarming level. No amount of talk about rebuilds can hide that. You didnt call him amateur , i was referring to the general opinion of him on the forum nowadays - you know, naïve , incompetent , charlatan , sell out, clueless , not 'elite' , has a job only due to bruno etc.. Secondly anyone who thinks we can compete with city with the current squad is deluded. I can understand the criticism if its coming after he was backed with Sancho , upamecano and couple of CMs. But thats not the case is it. This is what i said on Jan 5: "To be very honest I feel we need to wait 4 or 5 more games to see if the title challenge is on. This group is still young and very shaky at the back , also teams like city are getting into form and they have much more experienced players. Its not going to be easy by any means" Stew iam not blind , i can obviously see there are areas which need improvement ,both on and off field like Maguire-lindelof CB pairing or needless 'happy with the squad' comments he make, but this call for him to be fired after anything other than a win (sometimes even after a win) is ridiculous.
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