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Post by troubleontheway on Sept 13, 2021 15:04:47 GMT
I say this with caution but...Pogba has been better as the calibre of players around him has improved. Bruno and Cavani and now Ronaldo (with Sancho once he settles) are 3 top players with incredible desire to win. If he signs a new deal I don’t see him coasting due to those guys being there. He's not a Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani type of leader who can single-handedly lift the levels of everyone around them. But with quality players around him, he does seem to lift his own game and can be genuinely world class. It would be an absolute shame for us to lose him right when he's got exactly the kind of team around him that he needs to play his best. Also, with Ronaldo here, he knows he's going to win something (despite Ole) so he's more likely to stay. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 13, 2021 15:10:17 GMT
I say this with caution but...Pogba has been better as the calibre of players around him has improved. Bruno and Cavani and now Ronaldo (with Sancho once he settles) are 3 top players with incredible desire to win. If he signs a new deal I don’t see him coasting due to those guys being there. He's not a Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani type of leader who can single-handedly lift the levels of everyone around them. But with quality players around him, he does seem to lift his own game and can be genuinely world class. It would be an absolute shame for us to lose him right when he's got exactly the kind of team around him that he needs to play his best. Also, with Ronaldo here, he knows he's going to win something (despite Ole) so he's more likely to stay. 100%. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 13, 2021 16:07:40 GMT
Re Pogba I think that having Ronaldo and Varane could make a massive difference to his professionalism. I think a lot of the problem is he arrived at the club with a massive ego thinking of himself as our star player with nothing to prove and didn't have any senior players to keep him in line. Jose called him out on his lack of effort but as a popular figure in the dressing team with a lot of commercial appeal he knew he could take on Jose and win. Ole's approach has been to indulge him and massage his ego which has at least stopped him from downing tools but hasn't resulted in the kind of consistency we need from him to challenge.
But yeah the ideal scenario would be getting him to extend and then putting the money earmarked for a replacement towards buying a CDM (ideally in January rather than the summer) to play alongside him.
And of course if Raiola tries to break our wage structure or try and get him parity with Ronaldo I would simply walk away. Bad for morale and will ratchet up wages across the board and add a further drain to our financial resources.
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Post by Stretty on Sept 13, 2021 16:52:16 GMT
Re Pogba I think that having Ronaldo and Varane could make a massive difference to his professionalism. I think a lot of the problem is he arrived at the club with a massive ego thinking of himself as our star player with nothing to prove and didn't have any senior players to keep him in line. Jose called him out on his lack of effort but as a popular figure in the dressing team with a lot of commercial appeal he knew he could take on Jose and win. Ole's approach has been to indulge him and massage his ego which has at least stopped him from downing tools but hasn't resulted in the kind of consistency we need from him to challenge. But yeah the ideal scenario would be getting him to extend and then putting the money earmarked for a replacement towards buying a CDM (ideally in January rather than the summer) to play alongside him. And of course if Raiola tries to break our wage structure or try and get him parity with Ronaldo I would simply walk away. Bad for morale and will ratchet up wages across the board and add a further drain to our financial resources. i didn’t realise we had one |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 13, 2021 17:51:29 GMT
Pogba's most mature performances have come when Zlatan was about to play the big brother role. Friendly, but can knock him down a peg and example total professionalism to keep Pogba somewhat grounded.
I'm hoping Ronaldo can do the same.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 13, 2021 17:59:07 GMT
Pogba's most mature performances have come when Zlatan was about to play the big brother role. Friendly, but can knock him down a peg and example total professionalism to keep Pogba somewhat grounded. I'm hoping Ronaldo can do the same. 100% this, and Ronaldo has much more clout and demand for respect than Zlatan on account of being a club legend. Pogba has no where to hide now. |
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 14, 2021 5:41:02 GMT
He's not a Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani type of leader who can single-handedly lift the levels of everyone around them. But with quality players around him, he does seem to lift his own game and can be genuinely world class. It would be an absolute shame for us to lose him right when he's got exactly the kind of team around him that he needs to play his best. Also, with Ronaldo here, he knows he's going to win something (despite Ole) so he's more likely to stay. 100%. Lets not count Chickens ffs,we've won nothing because of who the manager,he has the inability to fuck it up even with the players we've signed. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 14, 2021 6:17:24 GMT
Lets not count Chickens ffs,we've won nothing because of who the manager,he has the inability to fuck it up even with the players we've signed. This seems like something of an overreaction to a fairly innocuous post. Edit- ah I see. My ‘100%’ was more in connection to Pogba raising his game with better players, not winning something. I should have highlighted that. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 14, 2021 12:56:08 GMT
Yeah I think it could be far far better than having Zlatan around. Zlatan played a big brother role, acted as a lieutenant for Jose, and shouldered a lot of responsibility in a weak team that didn't have players with the willingness or quality to step up. And that season we won three trophies with a much weaker team than we currently have.
Ronaldo I think will be more of a player-manager. Ole is a nice guy and able to keep the players happy and to some extent the "I believe in you, now go out and express yourself on the pitch" approach suits quite a few of our players. But the players are all aware he's never won anything of note as a manager and while he was a club legend because of his Champions League heroics that counts for a lot more with the fans than the players many of whom were too young to remember that night. And because he is insecure in his position he much prefers to manage expectations and talk about progress/culture change and other soft concepts than demand success and trophies. And the media gave him an easy ride because they were quite happy with us being stuck with Ole and not winning anything. With Ronaldo's arrival that has all changed and the media are now making us among the favourites to win the title and the Champions League. And Ronaldo knows it doesn't matter how many goals he scores he will be judged a failure if we don't win anything this season. And that is completely unacceptable to Ronaldo. So you can be sure as well as rallying the troops and helping them believe they can win the title he will have sharp words with Pogba if he feels he is slacking off and not pulling his own weight. Pogba's most mature performances have come when Zlatan was about to play the big brother role. Friendly, but can knock him down a peg and example total professionalism to keep Pogba somewhat grounded. I'm hoping Ronaldo can do the same. 100% this, and Ronaldo has much more clout and demand for respect than Zlatan on account of being a club legend. Pogba has no where to hide now.
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Post by troubleontheway on Sept 14, 2021 14:14:57 GMT
Lets not count Chickens ffs,we've won nothing because of who the manager, he has the inability to fuck it up even with the players we've signed. Unfortunately, I can't disagree w/ that. Counting on Ronaldo to raise hell if the standards drop or he doesn't change things up tactically against stronger opposition. |
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Post by Stretty on Sept 14, 2021 19:04:08 GMT
New manager please
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Post by viking22 on Sept 14, 2021 19:47:11 GMT
Seconded it. We need to get the same charm offensive that got Ronaldo to sign to persuade Zidane to join us. It makes absolutely no sense we are not in for him when we are the only top 4 club without a world class manager and it is so patently obvious Ole will never win anything for us
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Post by dazjoe on Sept 20, 2021 23:58:31 GMT
Talk of Kessie and Ndombele being looked at.
Kessie for nothing is certainly worth a punt.
I'll be honest, if the price was right I'd still go for Ndombele too. He's struggled at Spurs but has had some bright spots when he found his form.
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Post by Tatty on Sept 21, 2021 8:04:07 GMT
Ndombele is Tesco Value Pogba. Kessie the other night vs Juve looked like Fred.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 21, 2021 8:43:01 GMT
If Poch and Mourinho both struggled to get any consistency out of Ndombele why would we think Ole would be capable of doing so?
Kessie would be great on a free. Especially as we'll probably lose Pogba on the free and probably need two quality midfielders next summer. And the way our season is going might even be worth making a bid in January. At this rate Fred is going to kill any slim chance we have of winning the title.
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