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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 9:17:08 GMT
A full point from the top after six games and people want us to lose, or wish long-term injuries on our players. Would have been funnier had Bruno converted that penalty. I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
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Post by oscared on Sept 26, 2021 9:59:16 GMT
Is it too much to expect us to beat the majority of teams like yesterdays game at home against Villa?
theres an expectation at the club and its not being met, yes we are near the top of the league but wont be for long playing like that, lost to a weak side in the CL and if we carry on that form we`ll soon be out, out of the league cup too. Most of us want to be optimistic but Ole isn't making it easy.
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2021 10:33:52 GMT
I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
Going to need some evidence to back up that claim.
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Post by redcase on Sept 26, 2021 10:41:32 GMT
I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
Going to need some evidence to back up that claim. Don't bother.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 11:48:26 GMT
I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
Going to need some evidence to back up that claim. Can't find the relevant thread where my argument of the gradual overhaul of the squad, where Ole's contribution was then reduced to pure luck (Rashford maturing, Greenwood's rise, No one was in for Bruno other than us... although it was clear as daylight he'd become the best player in the league) and bad signings in the case of Maguire (even though Jose was after him too). It is there somewhere. Sorry for not being able to dig it up.
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2021 11:51:43 GMT
Going to need some evidence to back up that claim. Can't find the relevant thread where my argument of the gradual overhaul of the squad, where Ole's contribution was then reduced to pure luck (Rashford maturing, Greenwood's rise, No one was in for Bruno other than us... although it was clear as daylight he'd become the best player in the league) and bad signings in the case of Maguire (even though Jose was after him too). It is there somewhere. Sorry for not being able to dig it up. Wha5 about your assertion that certain posters are saying ‘a toddler would win the league with what he’s got’. Note- not other managers, toddlers.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 26, 2021 12:06:11 GMT
A full point from the top after six games and people want us to lose, or wish long-term injuries on our players. Would have been funnier had Bruno converted that penalty. I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I want us to lose. The more we lose the quicker we aren't 'one point off the top' in a false position and gormless idiots who know nothing about football use it as an excuse to not sack a clearly out of his depth manager.
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2021 12:13:21 GMT
My uncle was at the game yesterday and said there were a few scraps breaking out at full time, over Ole. Not 70s style carnage but nasty enough he said.
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 26, 2021 12:24:04 GMT
I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
I'm struggling to find alot of cheer in the west ham or wolves match day threads to back up your claims that we only turn up when we lose. Nobody is claiming this squad is anywhere near the finished article but it's much better than the current results would suggest. There is no perfect team in the PL, they all have issues but those teams have top coaches who have won things and proved themselves, while we continue to fumble about. Chelsea, City and Liverpool have a distinct style of play, Christ even Brentford and Brighton have that. Our team relies on individual brilliance and when it doesn't happen we are fucked. He's had 3 years to put his mark on the team and in some ways he has but his limitations are clear for all to see. Mark my words, Ole will never be successful here. By success, I mean winning trophies and not playing in the CL in consecutive seasons. I don't enjoy railing on a man who's done so much for this club and given me great memories. There's nothing enjoyable about it and not something I get a kick out of. I want the club to kick on and stop being a bunch of cowardly pricks.
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2021 12:25:51 GMT
I don't know what other people want other than what they express on here. Sometimes you get a clue when some people join in only for post-defeat meltdowns, but are nowhere to be seen after wins. I do struggle with people who claim that Ole should deliver a real challenge in the league and/or CL, but then want him sacked even when we win and find ourselves level on points at the top. Is it really a football discussion board if we only meet here for some Ole abuse regardless of the score only a few weeks into a new season?
We had two decorated managers prior to Ole and were abysmal to watch and nowhere near challenging for the league. The same people who argued only months ago that Ole's transfer market record was as dodgy as those of his predecessors now claim that a toddler would win the league with what he's got. Match-going fans (even our away support) are mocked here for being "top reds", for disagreeing with a group of a dozen people here. What's wrong with having different opinions without resorting to name-calling and patronising one-liners?
I'm struggling to find alot of cheer in the west ham or wolves match day threads to back up your claims that we only turn up when we lose. Nobody is claiming this squad is anywhere near the finished article but it's much better than the current results would suggest. There is no perfect team in the PL, they all have issues but those teams have top coaches who have won things and proved themselves, while we continue to fumble about. Chelsea, City and Liverpool have a distinct style of play, Christ even Brentford and Brighton have that. Our team relies on individual brilliance and when it doesn't happen we are fucked. He's had 3 years to put his mark on the team and in some ways he has but his limitations are clear for all to see. Mark my words, Ole will never be successful here. By success, I mean winning trophies and not playing in the CL in consecutive seasons. I don't enjoy railing on a man who's done so much for this club and given me great memories. There's nothing enjoyable about it and not something I get a kick out of. I want the club to kick on and stop being a bunch of cowardly pricks. Nail on the head.
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 26, 2021 12:34:07 GMT
There is two managers available now, Conte and Zidane, would they do better then ole? If the answer is yes then ole should already be replaced, this is Manchester United not Burnley it really is that simple.
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Post by redcase on Sept 26, 2021 13:12:44 GMT
I don’t know of anybody who actually wants us to lose but even if we had scraped a draw yesterday the problems with the poor coaching along with game and squad management are major concerns. I want us to lose. The more we lose the quicker we aren't 'one point off the top' in a false position and gormless idiots who know nothing about football use it as an excuse to not sack a clearly out of his depth manager. Gormless idiots is putting it mildly.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 26, 2021 13:21:47 GMT
My uncle was at the game yesterday and said there were a few scraps breaking out at full time, over Ole. Not 70s style carnage but nasty enough he said. It's the way things are going. The popular line to dismiss criticisms of the manager/calling for Ole to just go is 'Imagine if Twitter was around for Fergie's first three years!' What total bollocks.
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Post by redcase on Sept 26, 2021 13:28:51 GMT
My uncle was at the game yesterday and said there were a few scraps breaking out at full time, over Ole. Not 70s style carnage but nasty enough he said. It's the way things are going. The popular line to dismiss criticisms of the manager/calling for Ole to just go is 'Imagine if Twitter was around for Fergie's first three years!' What total bollocks. Anyone who compares Ole to Fergie in their respective formative years at this club is a vicious idiot. If said person is on this board it is your moral duty to ban them. Edit - It's your moral obligation.
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2021 13:37:53 GMT
Even in the dark days you looked at what Fergie achieved at Aberdeen and preached patience. What’s Ole done?
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