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Post by caino on Nov 22, 2021 6:59:44 GMT
forgetting he was at munich too. maybe not as head manager but still understands football. hes at the perfect age and perfect time to step on to the biggest stage and compete with the best managers. similar to Nagelsman that we also missed out on as he went to a proper football club. Absolutely he was, with the B team. Look, for the third time, I’m not saying I don’t rate the guy, I am saying he would be destroyed by the politics and inefficiency of this club unless he had the guidance of someone like VDS to give him the oxygen he needs to cultivate his way of working. And that ain’t never going to happen. would the same be said for Klopp, Pep & Tuchel ? |
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Post by juanveron on Nov 22, 2021 7:17:37 GMT
I don’t totally get the anti-Pochettino vibes as I consider him to be an excellent manager. I know nothing about the Ajax manager but it seems like he has an amazing record over there.. the only issue being is that it’s the Dutch league and just like many players who do well there fail in the PL, so could managers. Rodgers has done well at Leicester and might do well here. Zidane has an amazing record with Real, but I have a feeling he would never sign here.
My point is, any of them should be a huge improvement.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 22, 2021 7:24:28 GMT
Whoever we get the pressers can't be any worse than Ole's. I was listening to his exit interview and cringing. Some choice lines:
“Well, I’m proud of what we did. The first run first of all, that was enjoyable. But then to finish third, I loved that last game, Jesse [Lingard] scored. The way we put the run together and got the third position, fantastic. Great effort by everyone, the team, the squad. Second place last season ahead of arguably one of the best teams in Europe, I think that’s a great achievement as well. And we were so close in Europe. Sometimes that’s the fine margin for you, one penalty. We were close and that’s something I’ll always remember as well.
“Yeah, you might say so and go back and say if you won the Europa League, that would have been a success. But you know, it’s not always the trophies all the time that is the be all and end all. I know that day, we need to celebrate that trophy. But that’s fine margins, we know the work we’ve put in is so important, to get to that final and to get so close, we’ve had to make so many good decisions along the way. Unfortunately, we couldn’t score 11 penalties on the bounce, you can laugh about it, but I look back at every single second here with pride.”
Gotta say that is some serious loser talk. "So close" in a second tier European competition you have to fail to get into. Trophies aren't the be all and end all it is the work you put in to get to finals and lose them. Fine margins conveniently forgetting we couldn't beat them in 120 minutes of open play. Raving about 3rd and 2nd place finishes in the league when his predecessors had achieved similar placings and we flopped a really good opportunity to mount a serious title challenge in a season where City, Chelsea and Liverpool were well below their best.
I am just so glad he is gone.
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Post by redcase on Nov 22, 2021 8:20:28 GMT
I'll nail my colours to the mast now, I'm a firm no to Poch. But if it is going to be him them might as well try to see the positives. Plays good football. Not afraid to go with youth. Knows the Premier League. Is due a big trophy? (clutching at straws there). He lost a 1horse race in the footballing 3rd world and appears to have made Messi look mortal. There’s no positives. I was thinking about this. I agree to every word. BUT I also want to consider the fact that PSG seems like an absolute hell-hole to work in. You've got a mix of egomaniacal players, a DoF who is a shit boss by all accounts, not to mention the owners who think they're in Hollywood. I sort of feel that Pocchettino literally can't do a damn thing out there to impose any sort of change since he's just caught in the current of shite-ness in that plastic club. He's also doing a Jose - family in London while working from a hotel room. None of it makes me want him here but PSG is just crap top to bottom. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Nov 22, 2021 8:27:01 GMT
He lost a 1horse race in the footballing 3rd world and appears to have made Messi look mortal. There’s no positives. I was thinking about this. I agree to every word. BUT I also want to consider the fact that PSG seems like an absolute hell-hole to work in. You've got a mix of egomaniacal players, a DoF who is a shit boss by all accounts, not to mention the owners who think they're in Hollywood. I sort of feel that Pocchettino literally can't do a damn thing out there to impose any sort of change since he's just caught in the current of shite-ness in that plastic club. He's also doing a Jose - family in London while working from a hotel room. None of it makes me want him here but PSG is just crap top to bottom. He has to put up with Neymar on a daily basis. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 22, 2021 9:30:04 GMT
Pochettino to us and Zidane to PSG seems like something which absolutely could happen and pretty quickly.
Wouldn't be my first choice but I think we have to be realistic. Enrique and Zidane aren't going to want to join us.
Ten Hag is a very promising coach but I think it would be a big step up for him and he's used to a much better setup both on-the-pitch and off-the-pitch. Ajax is a special club with a footballing philosophy which is real and not just bad PR and Ajax DNA actually means something and it means that their teams are always greater than the sum of the parts. Here he'd struggle as he'd need to get a song out of a collection of individuals of varying ability and very little chemistry.
Rodgers I think would be an underwhelming choice. He did OK at Liverpool and Leicester but no more than that. Whereas Pochettino definitely overachieved for much of his time at Tottenham despite all the constraints that go hand in hand with working for Levy. And while he hasn't been a roaring success at PSG that club has issues and he'll have benefited from working with big names and egos there.
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Nov 22, 2021 9:39:23 GMT
I've definitely cooled on Pochettino. I wouldn't be up in arms if we brought him in but also not overly enthused. Do think an added plus with him now is he's had that experience of working with some of the best and most egotistical players in the game. So should cope better with any knobs in the dressing room here, better than he would have after just managing Spurs anyway.
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Post by Stew on Nov 22, 2021 9:45:56 GMT
I'll nail my colours to the mast now, I'm a firm no to Poch. But if it is going to be him them might as well try to see the positives. Plays good football. Not afraid to go with youth. Knows the Premier League. Is due a big trophy? (clutching at straws there). He lost a 1horse race in the footballing 3rd world and appears to have made Messi look mortal. There’s no positives. When he took over they were third. He won the French cup and has them 11 points clear in their league. He also gave City an absolute battering recently. City who treated a game against us like a training session. People talk about him ‘bottling’ trophies with Spurs. Flip it around and it’s actually ‘he got Spurs to a Champions League final.’ Spurs ffs. People (not necessarily you Tatty) seem to decide their opinion pretty early on managers and then refuse to budge, despite circumstances changing. Recently it was Poch and Rodgers not winning trophies. Then when they both won trophies it was some nonsense like not important trophies. By the time people finish tying themselves into knots with criteria they pull out of their arse, there’s probably 2 managers in the world they’ll accept. It’s ridiculous. Apart from Ligue 1, which will count for nothing apparently when Poch wins it this year, Tuchel had only won a German Cup prior to joining Chelsea. He also had a rep for falling out with players and owners. I imagine people would be happy enough with him now? Ten Hag looks a brilliant coach but hasn’t he ‘only’ won the Dutch league? Hardly the Premiership. I have no idea if Poch would be successful here. But the idea that he’s some sort of football charlatan is just silly. He’d be a massive upgrade on Ole. So would Rodgers. |
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Post by Chris on Nov 22, 2021 9:50:31 GMT
Don't worry chaps  Steve Bruce is said to be ‘very keen’ to speak to Manchester United about becoming interim manager following Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s dismissal. Solskjaer was sacked on Sunday morning following a dismal run of results that culminated in a 4-1 defeat to Watford at Vicarage Road on the weekend. United confirmed in their statement following Solskjaer’s sacking that they wish to appoint an interim manager, before making a long-term appointment this summer. Options are relatively thin on the ground, with Zinedine Zidane said to have rejected the role and Laurent Blanc tied up in a role in Qatar. |
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Post by DedRevil on Nov 22, 2021 10:02:07 GMT
Absolutely he was, with the B team. Look, for the third time, I’m not saying I don’t rate the guy, I am saying he would be destroyed by the politics and inefficiency of this club unless he had the guidance of someone like VDS to give him the oxygen he needs to cultivate his way of working. And that ain’t never going to happen. would the same be said for Klopp, Pep & Tuchel ? He clearly has full access to the Ajax Wikipedia page. Give up |
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Post by Chris on Nov 22, 2021 10:14:32 GMT
Very much sounds like it's Poch. If this is the case, get on with it now.
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Post by anti_social on Nov 22, 2021 10:18:53 GMT
would the same be said for Klopp, Pep & Tuchel ? He clearly has full access to the Ajax Wikipedia page. Give up So harsh... |
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Post by kstandhand on Nov 22, 2021 10:21:40 GMT
No to Poch,No to Zidane for me.
Enrique ,Ten Haag or Rodgers for me in that order.
If they are looking for an interim manager,stick Roy in there, he will sort fucking slackers out.
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Post by viking22 on Nov 22, 2021 10:22:27 GMT
Good points Stew. I think 4 consecutive top 4 finishes with Spurs as well as a CL final more than qualifies Pochettino for the job. Because it is Spurs we are talking about. Also we aren't cut out for a Chelsea model of chopping and changing so it is a good thing he'd probably stick around whereas Zidane would probably get fed up after a year or two and move on.
I think he might be a bit too nice and our players would have probably benefited from the ass kicking Conte would have given them. But hopefully simply working for someone who knows what he is actually talking about and has an actual plan will be enough to win the players respect and get them back on board.
Rodgers I have reservations although he would be a massive upgrade on Ole. His European record with Liverpool wasn't great and he has let good league positions slip away. Best thing to say about him is he'd improve us and leave us better off and ready for an elite manager to take over and win things for us the way Klopp did with Liverpool. But I'm running out of patience really and we all know that our hierarchy would accept top 4 finishes and the occasional trophy and fail to sack him when he has taken us as far as he can. Well the same is true to a lesser extent with Pochettino but I think he's much closer to being able to step up and turn into a winner than Rodgers is. Rodgers is probably a better fit for the City job.
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Post by Stew on Nov 22, 2021 10:32:08 GMT
Very much sounds like it's Poch. If this is the case, get on with it now. Exactly. If he’s open to it, get it done ASAP. |
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