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Post by kstandhand on Nov 22, 2021 14:21:10 GMT
I would prefer to wait and get it right. Be that ten Hag, Enrique, Mancini, or Rodgers. Enrique and Mancini are not coming until the World Cup is over. Ten Hag, I'd love him. He's not coming this year. Our board can't be trusted to bring him in next year. Rodgers - OK, I don't particularly have anything against him, but will he leave this year? More importantly - what has he won? Anyone approached & not wanting to take the Manchester United job now,ain't the right man for the job. I'm all for getting decent manager in now that actually wants the job now. |
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Post by seanie on Nov 22, 2021 14:24:01 GMT
Enrique and Mancini are not coming until the World Cup is over. Ten Hag, I'd love him. He's not coming this year. Our board can't be trusted to bring him in next year. Rodgers - OK, I don't particularly have anything against him, but will he leave this year? More importantly - what has he won? Everything in Scotland (meeting expectations), the FA Cup and a Charity Shield against city. With Leicester. It's funny I feel the same way about Rodgers, that you do about Pochettino. I mean what the fuck do I know, but the one flaw in your argument there is the much bigger sample Rodgers has. At the end of the day he also won nothing at Liverpool in 3 years and there were no CL finals or Cup finals. Poch has barely started at PSG They did well last year to win the FA cup, but our genius played a send fiddle team against them in the 1/4s. I just find it hard to write of Pochettino and big up Rodgers at the same time |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 22, 2021 14:25:18 GMT
Tuchel completed a domestic quadruple with PSG, plus another League and a few other cups. Not quite the same. Poch has already won a French Cup, their charity shield (included in Tuchel’s quadruple by yourself) and has more or less won the league there by Christmas. He also took the super power that is Spurs to a Champions League final. There’s really not much in it. And regardless of whether or not we regard winning things in France as a significant, saying he doesn’t win things is simply false. He took Spurs to a European Cup final and bottled it. Against fucking Liverpool. That's unforgivable. My point about the trophies though is more that he was perfectly content not winning things - and keeping expectations there. This in spite of having the best Spurs side in decades that for all the world looked ready to take the step up. Blew the League in 2016-17, blew the European Cup in 2018-19. When Klopp lost the European Cup final, they went and won it the next season. When they didn't win the League, same thing. When Pochettino failed to get over the line Spurs went backwards. |
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Post by redcase on Nov 22, 2021 14:33:10 GMT
Enrique and Mancini are not coming until the World Cup is over. Ten Hag, I'd love him. He's not coming this year. Our board can't be trusted to bring him in next year. Rodgers - OK, I don't particularly have anything against him, but will he leave this year? More importantly - what has he won? Everything in Scotland (meeting expectations), the FA Cup and a Charity Shield against city. With Leicester. I think a discussion comparing Pocchettino and Rodgers would be splitting hairs imo. They're both pretty much alike at this point. For me, they're both not first choice, but we have NO choice at the moment. Have there been riots yet? |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Nov 22, 2021 14:33:59 GMT
Poch has already won a French Cup, their charity shield (included in Tuchel’s quadruple by yourself) and has more or less won the league there by Christmas. He also took the super power that is Spurs to a Champions League final. There’s really not much in it. And regardless of whether or not we regard winning things in France as a significant, saying he doesn’t win things is simply false. He took Spurs to a European Cup final and bottled it. Against fucking Liverpool. That's unforgivable. My point about the trophies though is more that he was perfectly content not winning things - and keeping expectations there. This in spite of having the best Spurs side in decades that for all the world looked ready to take the step up. Blew the League in 2016-17, blew the European Cup in 2018-19. When Klopp lost the European Cup final, they went and won it the next season. When they didn't win the League, same thing. When Pochettino failed to get over the line Spurs went backwards. But can you honestly say Poch received the financial backing from Spurs to make them title contenders? The net spend of Spurs during his tenure was less than £100 million. The fact he even had Spurs in the conversation is impressive, I mean it’s fucking Spurs. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 22, 2021 14:36:46 GMT
Poch has already won a French Cup, their charity shield (included in Tuchel’s quadruple by yourself) and has more or less won the league there by Christmas. He also took the super power that is Spurs to a Champions League final. There’s really not much in it. And regardless of whether or not we regard winning things in France as a significant, saying he doesn’t win things is simply false. He took Spurs to a European Cup final and bottled it. Against fucking Liverpool. That's unforgivable. My point about the trophies though is more that he was perfectly content not winning things - and keeping expectations there. This in spite of having the best Spurs side in decades that for all the world looked ready to take the step up. Blew the League in 2016-17, blew the European Cup in 2018-19. When Klopp lost the European Cup final, they went and won it the next season. When they didn't win the League, same thing. When Pochettino failed to get over the line Spurs went backwards. How come bottling against Liverpool is unforgivable, but managing them isn’t a problem for getting Rodgers - himself having bottled plenty in his time - in? |
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Post by redcase on Nov 22, 2021 14:38:22 GMT
He took Spurs to a European Cup final and bottled it. Against fucking Liverpool. That's unforgivable. My point about the trophies though is more that he was perfectly content not winning things - and keeping expectations there. This in spite of having the best Spurs side in decades that for all the world looked ready to take the step up. Blew the League in 2016, blew the European Cup in 2018. When Klopp lost the European Cup final, they went and won it the next season. When they didn't win the League, same thing. When Pochettino failed to get over the line Spurs went backwards. How come bottling against Liverpool is unforgivable, but managing them isn’t a problem for getting Rodgers - himself having bottled plenty in his time - in? This is an excellent point. Rodgers bottled the league when he basically had it won. See - splitting hairs. They're the same. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 22, 2021 14:45:38 GMT
It's no different to people saying they don't want Southgate. Just because a coach is available doesn't mean he's the right choice. Poch is available if we buy him out, same as Rogers or even Ten Hag. I don't want us to bring somebody in just because he's available. I want us to bring in somebody that can win us trophies. However these dickheads have Put us in a position where options are limited or we stick with Carrick which is something I don't want either because he's been part of the problem aswell. They had the whole international window to sort this out. The whole thing is a shit show. It's a case of bite the bullet or stick with what we have. So who is winning us trophies then? That's the million dollar question isn't it. With the ego's and attitudes on some of these players it's hard to say. I just don't think Poch is the one to do it. I'd he comes in and does then I'll gladly hold my hands up. The way this board operate we'll end up with Steve Bruce on a 6 year contract. |
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Post by Bestie on Nov 22, 2021 14:45:44 GMT
Everything in Scotland (meeting expectations), the FA Cup and a Charity Shield against city. With Leicester. It's funny I feel the same way about Rodgers, that you do about Pochettino. I mean what the fuck do I know, but the one flaw in your argument there is the much bigger sample Rodgers has. At the end of the day he also won nothing at Liverpool in 3 years and there were no CL finals or Cup finals. Poch has barely started at PSG They did well last year to win the FA cup, but our genius played a send fiddle team against them in the 1/4s. I just find it hard to write of Pochettino and big up Rodgers at the same time That Liverpool team Rodgers nearly won the League with was absolutely filled with dross though. They had no right to be in a title race never mind get within a couple of games and a Gerrard slip. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 22, 2021 14:46:26 GMT
I bet he does. Easiest gig in world football for a manager winning to accept not winning things as a legitimate target. All he has to do to please them is finish in the top. They're not arsed about us winning trophies. Add to that he'll get an extension at some point and a nice payday at the end. |
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Post by Monty on Nov 22, 2021 14:48:31 GMT
Yet there's chat about keeping Woodward around as a 'consultant' like he's a corrupt Tory potation getting punished with a peerage. They don't give a shit about backlash. |
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Post by ratbag on Nov 22, 2021 14:49:57 GMT
A leak from the MEN re Ole's tactics board apparently full of stickers with platitudes such as: Game management - simple and efficient - do the simple things well and with pride - go and do your magic PLAY FOR THE TEAM TAKE PRIDE in being the BEST YOU If the above is true and it has a definite ring of truth as matches the kind of platitudes OGS came out with in pressers I'd go with any decent candidate willing to join now rather than the summer e.g. Poch, Rodgers and even Zidane if we can twist his arm. Problem with waiting for the summer is that there do not seem to be any decent interims on the market and we really don't want to be in a situation where our new manager is plying his trade in the Europa League which would make it hard to attract good players in the summer and also mean that quite a few of our existing stars such as Ronaldo would probably hit the exit door. Ralf Rangnick... |
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Post by Stew on Nov 22, 2021 14:50:11 GMT
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Post by Paul on Nov 22, 2021 14:50:47 GMT
How come bottling against Liverpool is unforgivable, but managing them isn’t a problem for getting Rodgers - himself having bottled plenty in his time - in? This is an excellent point. Rodgers bottled the league when he basically had it won. See - splitting hairs. They're the same. To be fair he bottled it FOR Liverpool. That's a plus for me 😏. |
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Post by ratbag on Nov 22, 2021 14:51:50 GMT
Michael Carrick is a caretaker for an unknown caretaker. How did United come to this?
By Jim White
Over the past eight years, since Sir Alex Ferguson retired, Manchester United have fired more managers than they have won trophies. Now they have let go of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, they have put his untried lieutenant Michael Carrick in temporary charge until they appoint an interim manager, who will take control until a full-time replacement is recruited.
Talk about a total and complete mess. It is not as if there are no good managers out there. Liverpool found one, Manchester City managed it, Chelsea too. Brighton, Leeds and Brentford seem to have done it. Even Daniel Levy, the chairman routinely pilloried by his club’s supporters as a serial incompetent, was able to recently recruit a very good one.
As Jamie Carragher writes today, only at Old Trafford, it seems, do they constantly and consistently fail to find the right man. It is a failure of corporate leadership on a quite extraordinary scale. Which is no real surprise. Under the ownership of the Glazer family, this has become a football club marinated in decline and inertia.
Led by executives more enthused by the signing of an official Far Eastern pot noodle partner than by the accumulation of silverware, it is an institution that has been living off presumptions of perpetual greatness, happy to monetise its legend rather than invest in its future. The truth is they really have no clue as to what is required to land the right man to steer the club forward.
The theory that United has become an unmanageable club is gaining ever more ground. But it is a false analysis. To take control of the country's best supported club, filled with brilliant talent, with money to spend in the transfer market and lead it back to the sunlit uplands of its past is a job offer that should enthuse every ambitious coach in the game.
The trouble is, there seems to be no-one at Old Trafford capable of either identifying managerial talent or persuading them to come. Frankly, you suspect that if Jurgen Klopp rang them up to say he would walk over broken glass to join them tomorrow, they would somehow contrive to blow the appointment.
Because when it comes to succession planning, United are the Logan Roy of football.
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