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Post by seanie on Dec 29, 2021 13:36:01 GMT
The worry is what is the difference between the performance and team selections etc since Ole left. I never thought Rangnick would be great as a coach I have serious doubts about his experience at this level. I think he is great to have in the club as a football exec/director to help build the football knowledge and the bridge between the Board and the Football aspects and I said that from before he started.
It's just a half a job from the idiots again. We should have brought him in with a defined role as an executive and a better more experienced coach like Valverde(Interim) or just gone for Conte!
Having said that, many of those players are just not good enough at this level and he needs time obviously, but some of the selection of out of form players and still playing McFred is basically the same as Ole! He was brought in to make changes and he needs to do that immediately!
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Post by seanie on Dec 29, 2021 13:48:43 GMT
I fully agree better is needed in the midfield, but I am very baffled as to how that should have prevented us from winning yesterday. The midfield is not a a reason why we were completely out fought by Newcastle and Norwich. In MCT and Fred you have high energy midfielders who can run all day long so I’d think those type of games would be up their alley. You need midfield control in every game. Fred and Scott are scrappers who will run all day. One of them is ok, as long as they’re paired with a ball player. Until this is addressed we’re pissing against the wind. Exactly right, we need to start in January, because I believe we need 2 players in CM at least and maybe 3. As you say one of them is ok, but only ok. Just look at some of the passing from them in that game, there are no balls through or over the top for runners like Ronaldo. They won't play VDB still which is a mystery or something we are not seeing. Pogba is leaving and is totally distracted, Matic is finished and only one or none of McFred should be at the club! All of this was obvious in Mourinhos last year, so we are going on 5 years now with the same shit in midfield expecting something different |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Dec 29, 2021 14:09:48 GMT
Just drop the lot of em bar de gea and cavani, bring in the kids, would rather watch them than this bunch of utter wankers…. What is it that they all want, they play for man United and if they don’t get on with each other who gives a fuck, they should all be giving 110% in training and on match days, some of these leaks suggest they’re just a bunch of unprofessional babies who all want what they want and not prepared to see the bigger picture and do what’s best for the club. Martial needs to go Pogba needs to go Maguire needs to go Lindelof squad player Bailey needs to go or keep as squad player at best Jones needs to go Lingard needs to go Dvb needs to go as no manager seems to fancy him Fred needs to go or squad player at best Scott squad player at best Dalot squad player at best Telles squad player at best Rashford not sure what has happened to him, but squad player at best, wouldn’t bother me if sold though Cavani sets an example but is 34 so he’ll be moving on soon Ronaldo is 37 and not who we should be building a team around despite his finishing ability, don’t think he was ever in their thoughts until city were linked with him Greenwood great finisher and still developing, needs nurturing, better player that rashford in my opinion Shaw shows what he can be and then falls of the edge of a cliff again, Rangnick doesn’t seem to fancy him, Matic better than Fred or Scott but legs have gone Mata needs to go In short, I don’t rate or even like too many of our current squad and unfortunately with Ralf only here for 6 months I don’t see how he can implement the system he wants when he doesn’t have the players he needs to do it Harsh on Rashford. His record here is phenomenal. It's a dip in form. Happens to most players.
Wasn't long ago when I read here that either we win the league with this lot or there are no excuses for the manager. This is my opinion not that of the whole board so not sure why you e said about winning the league, think you’ll find I’ve never said that!! Fact is none of these players, in their time at the club have shown anywhere near enough consistency to win trophies And how old is rashford and how long has his so called dip in form been!? I’m quick to call martial out so it’s only fair I do the same with rashford, it’s the same scenario, how long do we wait for him to reach his full potential. Although I do accept he has offered more than tony, I just don’t think rashford is as good as everyone thinks |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 29, 2021 14:21:52 GMT
Wasn't long ago when I read here that either we win the league with this lot or there are no excuses for the manager. Ole had no excuses. Three years and more money spent than any other post-Fergie manager. If the team isn't good enough to compete, that's Solskjaer's fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 14:43:03 GMT
Just seen you like this Matty. Some of these are a disgrace. Professional footballers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 14:49:22 GMT
Harsh on Rashford. His record here is phenomenal. It's a dip in form. Happens to most players.
Wasn't long ago when I read here that either we win the league with this lot or there are no excuses for the manager. This is my opinion not that of the whole board so not sure why you e said about winning the league, think you’ll find I’ve never said that!! Fact is none of these players, in their time at the club have shown anywhere near enough consistency to win trophies And how old is rashford and how long has his so called dip in form been!? I’m quick to call martial out so it’s only fair I do the same with rashford, it’s the same scenario, how long do we wait for him to reach his full potential. Although I do accept he has offered more than tony, I just don’t think rashford is as good as everyone thinks There was a general consensus on here that Ole needed to deliver a major trophy with this lot, having finished second without Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo.
Rashford missed pre-season and only came back for the Leicester game after his surgery. He quickly scored and assisted a couple before suffering a miserable dip in form. Nevertheless, he's a top top player. 21 goals and 15 assists playing through injuries last season. I'd keep.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 14:52:28 GMT
Wasn't long ago when I read here that either we win the league with this lot or there are no excuses for the manager. Ole had no excuses. Three years and more money spent than any other post-Fergie manager. If the team isn't good enough to compete, that's Solskjaer's fault. Again, the general consensus here was that it was good enough. Now that Ole is not here and we have Ralph in his place finishing 4th must be a walk in the park. |
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Post by seanie on Dec 29, 2021 15:01:21 GMT
Just seen you like this Matty. Some of these are a disgrace. Professional footballers. Neville is right about a few things there. There is a leadership void and Maguire is not a captain( he didn't say that directly but it's implied! and obvious to us) I love Cavani and he's a good leader he should be starting more games! I can understand Ronaldos body language and frustration, but he probably needs to reign it in. Bruno definitely needs to reign it in and concentrate on improving his game or be dropped. It's getting annoying watching him lately |
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Post by redcase on Dec 29, 2021 15:08:34 GMT
The worry is what is the difference between the performance and team selections etc since Ole left. I never thought Rangnick would be great as a coach I have serious doubts about his experience at this level. I think he is great to have in the club as a football exec/director to help build the football knowledge and the bridge between the Board and the Football aspects and I said that from before he started. It's just a half a job from the idiots again. We should have brought him in with a defined role as an executive and a better more experienced coach like Valverde(Interim) or just gone for Conte! Having said that, many of those players are just not good enough at this level and he needs time obviously, but some of the selection of out of form players and still playing McFred is basically the same as Ole! He was brought in to make changes and he needs to do that immediately! Rangnick has managed this club for all of 4 games/24 days. Steady on. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 29, 2021 15:11:09 GMT
Ole had no excuses. Three years and more money spent than any other post-Fergie manager. If the team isn't good enough to compete, that's Solskjaer's fault. Again, the general consensus here was that it was good enough. Now that Ole is not here and we have Ralph in his place finishing 4th must be a walk in the park. Ralf. This team has been treated with kid gloves by previous management, and if reports are to be believed, they're not liking being pushed. That's more an indictment of previous management and an added burden on the new guy, rather than something that can be fixed on day 1. |
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Post by Bestie on Dec 29, 2021 17:30:55 GMT
There was a general consensus on here that Ole needed to deliver a major trophy with this lot, having finished second without Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo. Yes. Ole had to deliver. He was the one saying the squad was good enough, having spent hundreds of millions of pounds and having sold plenty he decided were deadwood. So he had to deliver. Most people are switched on enough to know that wasn't actually likely. |
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Post by SAF_Legend on Dec 29, 2021 17:41:15 GMT
The worry is what is the difference between the performance and team selections etc since Ole left. I never thought Rangnick would be great as a coach I have serious doubts about his experience at this level. I think he is great to have in the club as a football exec/director to help build the football knowledge and the bridge between the Board and the Football aspects and I said that from before he started. It's just a half a job from the idiots again. We should have brought him in with a defined role as an executive and a better more experienced coach like Valverde(Interim) or just gone for Conte! Having said that, many of those players are just not good enough at this level and he needs time obviously, but some of the selection of out of form players and still playing McFred is basically the same as Ole! He was brought in to make changes and he needs to do that immediately! Rangnick has managed this club for all of 4 games/24 days. Steady on. Exactly. Expectations need to be tempered. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Dec 29, 2021 20:23:56 GMT
Rangnick has managed this club for all of 4 games/24 days. Steady on. Exactly. Expectations need to be tempered. He's been very honest about the current circumstances and performances unlike the smoke and mirrors from Ole. That's refreshing enough for me. Hes shown signs of frustration and his remarks on covid and the inability to train must be taken into account. Your not going to change much unless you can train with the players, that's just common sense and not an excuse. This is a fucking big job and he's been left some quality players but also a lot of bang average players that he has to replace at a loss. My only frustration with him, is he insists on playing two holding players. I don't understand how that's better than just playing DVB in that midfield position until we sign an adequate midfield player. The midfield is a major problem. |
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Post by hogshead on Dec 29, 2021 21:42:02 GMT
They should all be chomping at the bit today. They were , they played like Donkeys apart from De Gea. |
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Post by Stew on Dec 30, 2021 12:28:25 GMT
Who wants to start the Burnley thread? It’s sure to be a football extravaganza...
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