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Post by keanosdog16 on Mar 7, 2022 10:28:29 GMT
Part of the problem with this lot now is their mentality is shot to pieces, they are constantly being told they're shit, fans, pundits, media, they're getting it from all directions and when that happens it can be difficult to change your mind set, and they clearly don't have it in them to say you know what, i'm going to prove you all wrong. Whoever comes in as manager has got a hell of a job on their hands to change the mentality within the club. The problem is most of them are shit. Oh yeah i agree, but they have shown they are capable of the odd decent performance, but if you're constantly told you're shit it will bring you down even further |
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Post by DedRevil on Mar 7, 2022 10:30:33 GMT
The problem is most of them are shit. Oh yeah i agree, but they have shown they are capable of the odd decent performance, but if you're constantly told you're shit it will bring you down even further But, but...we got a sports psychologist. Pussies. |
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Post by viking22 on Mar 7, 2022 10:42:29 GMT
I cannot really blame Ronaldo. He was guilt tripped into joining us over City by a horde of former players as well as SAF. And he had no idea how far standards had slipped at the club. He has tried to raise them but clearly no one is listening to him so why would he turn up as a glorified cheerleader? Especially as it would mean having to watch the team he should have joined demonstrate their total superiority over us.
I do not envy Ralf. He's not a world class manager but he is an experienced coach who is more than qualified for the job he was brought in to do. But he faces an impossible task. Players are resistant to coaching, constructive criticism and hard work because they had it so easy under Ole. They also know Ralf is an interim appointment so will not have much say over their futures so they can get away with downing tools confident they will outlast Ralf and get their slate wiped clean when a permanent manager takes over. Nor has Ralf been able to bring in any of his own players to make it easier to play the way he wants to and add some quality and balance to the squad.
As for the post-match comments Ralf was being diplomatic. Everyone can see we gave up after the first half hour. But if he admitted it then it would have made the situation worse. Fragile egos would have been bruised and instead of accepting responsibility they would have just turned on Ralf and been even less willing to follow instructions and put in a decent shift in the future. We've seen with coaches like Jose what happens when managers justifiably call out the players publicly.
Under Ole we often got bailed out by moments of individual brilliance from the likes of Bruno, Rashford and Pogba that helped us to outscore the opposition. And I expected that Ronaldo would also help paper over the cracks in a similar fashion. But under Ralf any improvements in defensive organization have been offset by a worrying decline in the form and productivity of star players and with it our attacking output. Difficult to say whether it is a function of the morale, dressing room divides etc. or whether it is the loss of freedom under a more organized approach under Ralf.
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Post by caino on Mar 7, 2022 10:44:23 GMT
Rangnick has had his feet and hands tied together, thrown in the sea and told to swim ashore. he lost VDB, Martial & Greenwood in one window. Other players knowingly wanting to leave; pogba & lingard, on top of 2 CF's with a combined age of 70. the club brought in no signings to help him out. we struggled with a full squad nevermind a depleted squad. i just wish he would start calling players out. i used to want club problems kept in house and dealt with but its about time they're held to account from the fans. call the bluffers out. bin the shite. play the reserves until the end of the season at least they will give a shit Rangnick said he was happy with the squad, even after the Greenwood shit, and didn't once push for signings. Defends Maguire at every turn. Doesn't have the balls to just strip the captaincy. He's as complicit as the rest of them. i think its difficult for him to find a balance of trying to keep the squad together and have belief and rocking the boat too much with the board and squad. at the moment he has done neither. its about time he did rock the boat and called the board and players out. easier said than done when your getting bank rolled all the way to a luxurious retirement |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 7, 2022 10:50:52 GMT
Rangnick said he was happy with the squad, even after the Greenwood shit, and didn't once push for signings. Defends Maguire at every turn. Doesn't have the balls to just strip the captaincy. He's as complicit as the rest of them. i think its difficult for him to find a balance of trying to keep the squad together and have belief and rocking the boat too much with the board and squad. at the moment he has done neither. its about time he did rock the boat and called the board and players out. easier said than done when your getting bank rolled all the way to a luxurious retirement The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. |
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Post by caino on Mar 7, 2022 10:56:55 GMT
i think its difficult for him to find a balance of trying to keep the squad together and have belief and rocking the boat too much with the board and squad. at the moment he has done neither. its about time he did rock the boat and called the board and players out. easier said than done when your getting bank rolled all the way to a luxurious retirement The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. tbf i dont think it would have done any favours coming in and ripping the squad apart before he got started. not that its got him any anywhere trying to keep the squad happy. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. i believe he had the right intentions but its just not happened for him. in terms of who is to blame though, he is below the Owners, the board & the players. |
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Post by redcase on Mar 7, 2022 11:21:03 GMT
The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. tbf i dont think it would have done any favours coming in and ripping the squad apart before he got started. not that its got him any anywhere trying to keep the squad happy. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. i believe he had the right intentions but its just not happened for him. in terms of who is to blame though, he is below the Owners, the board & the players. Yeah, would be more than harsh to blame a guy clearly branded as caretaker manager for not being able to fix in 6 months - 3 years of standards lowered by the previous manager and for more than a decade of skullduggery by Woodward and now continued by that fat bastard Arnold. He has done more to upset the dressing room status quo in these months than the last guy ever did. De Gea, Varane, Sancho, Ronaldo and Bruno. Rest don't even belong here. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Mar 7, 2022 11:22:26 GMT
i think its difficult for him to find a balance of trying to keep the squad together and have belief and rocking the boat too much with the board and squad. at the moment he has done neither. its about time he did rock the boat and called the board and players out. easier said than done when your getting bank rolled all the way to a luxurious retirement The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. I don't listen to press conferences for this reason anymore but surely what he says in public cannot be what he's saying behind closed doors. The man's not stupid. I personally think it's damn near impossible to work with the Glaciers at this point. They hired him with the intention of being a sporting director/consultant, but apparently it's not a done deal. If the players knew this guy was going to be making the big decisions and deciding their futures then things might improve. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Mar 7, 2022 11:25:46 GMT
The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. I don't listen to press conferences for this reason anymore but surely what he says in public cannot be what he's saying behind closed doors. The man's not stupid. I personally think it's damn near impossible to work with the Glaciers at this point. They hired him with the intention of being a sporting director/consultant, but apparently it's not a done deal. If the players knew this guy was going to be making the big decisions and deciding their futures then things might improve. I'll be amazed if he takes up that consultancy role........ |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 7, 2022 11:36:10 GMT
The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. tbf i dont think it would have done any favours coming in and ripping the squad apart before he got started. not that its got him any anywhere trying to keep the squad happy. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. i believe he had the right intentions but its just not happened for him. in terms of who is to blame though, he is below the Owners, the board & the players. The squad needs ripping apart. What is the point of bringing in a new manager, interim or otherwise, to just do the same things and keep the same players that have failed and failed and failed. No excuses. |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 7, 2022 11:37:36 GMT
The time to rock the boat was immediately. New manager, new broom and all that. Plus the upcoming transfer window to sign requirements. Instead he waffled on about control and how great the existing squad is. Grief, we were conned with those initial couple of pressers. I don't listen to press conferences for this reason anymore but surely what he says in public cannot be what he's saying behind closed doors. The man's not stupid. I personally think it's damn near impossible to work with the Glaciers at this point. They hired him with the intention of being a sporting director/consultant, but apparently it's not a done deal. If the players knew this guy was going to be making the big decisions and deciding their futures then things might improve. So he should walk and say so in that case. Fed up with everyone involved pretending things are normal and the club is just going through a bad phase. |
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Post by caino on Mar 7, 2022 11:48:19 GMT
tbf i dont think it would have done any favours coming in and ripping the squad apart before he got started. not that its got him any anywhere trying to keep the squad happy. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. i believe he had the right intentions but its just not happened for him. in terms of who is to blame though, he is below the Owners, the board & the players. The squad needs ripping apart. What is the point of bringing in a new manager, interim or otherwise, to just do the same things and keep the same players that have failed and failed and failed. No excuses. 100%. this summer is the perfect time to reset. let the free agents leave and whoever else wants to go. dont want to commit, leave, its as simple as that. theyre not good enough to justify huge contracts. the players are replaceable. new manager, bring in the youth from the academy and some decent signings and start a brand new chapter under a new director. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Mar 7, 2022 12:01:47 GMT
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Post by Tatty on Mar 7, 2022 12:15:17 GMT
I'll get eviscerated by Bestie for this, but maybe Moyes wasn't too far off the mark with his comment about aspiring to be City.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 7, 2022 12:23:45 GMT
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