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Post by Stretty on Mar 6, 2023 8:29:38 GMT
I've seen a few people criticize the mentality of the team - I agree to some extent, but for the most part we seem to have genuinely developed a strong spine this season. Part of me attributes yesterday's debacle to extreme bad luck, compounded with some basic errors that just made it exponentially worse. In Varane, Casemiro & Martinez we have a solid + mentally strong base - it's in front of that where things seem to unravel in terms of big game temperament (Bruno, Fred, Antony, Wout, even Rashford). Hopefully fixing that in the Summer will address that mental fragility in the team. At the same time, as has been mentioned, the team could also be exahusted from over-relying on the same set of starters. Scored the winners in the derby and against scouse at OT. How is name is dragged into this I don't know.
Wout does not belong here, no matter how emotional he gets with winning a trophy in the twilight of his career. Antony is on course to becoming an even bigger waste of cash than Maguire, and Fred is a 50 million terrier, who'll occasionally shin a couple of goals. Bruno is a huge disappointment. Lost count of the goals, but in one of them he lost the ball around the halfway line, and decided to just stand with his arms flapping instead of chasing the player. Terrible from a team captain. Speaking of Bruno, the decision to start him on the left wing was odd. What was ETH thinking when TAA is supposedly the weakest link in the scouse defense. I mean, we have zero threat from the right anyway.
He was as bad as bruno for one of the scouse goals when Dalot went missing(for a change) and Rashford just strolled towards the player instead of closing him down giving him time to cross the ball for a goal. But i agree Bruno was far worse. |
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Post by Stew on Mar 6, 2023 8:38:17 GMT
I’d love to know the uncomfortable truth you’d like to tell us about Rashford. I think my recent record on Rashford shows that when players perform, I am fair in praising them. Rashford was missing yesterday. Possibly not his fault because as a sole main striker you are relying on the midfield behind you, but in the second half he might as well not have been playing. He was quiet in the final last week as well - we commented on it during the game. The difference is when he was involved he was terrifying Newcastle and he scored. Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. |
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Post by kstandhand on Mar 6, 2023 9:16:36 GMT
I think my recent record on Rashford shows that when players perform, I am fair in praising them. Rashford was missing yesterday. Possibly not his fault because as a sole main striker you are relying on the midfield behind you, but in the second half he might as well not have been playing. He was quiet in the final last week as well - we commented on it during the game. The difference is when he was involved he was terrifying Newcastle and he scored. Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. ETH has generally been spot on tactically but thought it was odd to take Rashford off the left given how shit TAA is. |
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Post by oscared on Mar 6, 2023 9:16:53 GMT
Woke up today and felt violated, that horror show has to be put right in the next game with a win nothing else will do.
I hope Erik is kicking their arses in training.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 9:19:33 GMT
Woke up today and felt violated, that horror show has to be put right in the next game with a win nothing else will do. I hope Erik is kicking their arses in training. With all due respect, ETH needs his arse kicked too this morning |
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Post by oscared on Mar 6, 2023 9:23:34 GMT
Woke up today and felt violated, that horror show has to be put right in the next game with a win nothing else will do. I hope Erik is kicking their arses in training. With all due respect, ETH needs his arse kicked too this morning Fair point he definitely got it all wrong with how the team were set up but theres no excuse for not trying, the effort level second half was almost none existent. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Mar 6, 2023 9:25:55 GMT
Woke up today and felt violated, that horror show has to be put right in the next game with a win nothing else will do. I hope Erik is kicking their arses in training. With all due respect, ETH needs his arse kicked too this morning He didn't pick the wrong side, and his team has been training the squad as well as anyone could demand - we just don't have the squad depth to go deep into all these competitions without exhaustion/totally abysmal luck popping up every now and again. I looked at that XI and, other than Antony and Wout (we have nobody else since Martial is a perpetual sick note), I thought they'd be able to get a result. Once the team steps onto the pitch, I'm not sure Ten Hag can do much more - his in-game management and ability to switch and change things around has been brilliant. Yesterday was a total freakshow, though! |
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Post by Stew on Mar 6, 2023 9:27:06 GMT
Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. ETH has generally been spot on tactically but thought it was odd to take Rashford off the left given how shit TAA is. It wasn’t odd, it was scandalous. |
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Post by mightyez on Mar 6, 2023 9:29:37 GMT
Bruno Bruno Bruno. I will be the first to say I am a fan because that first 12-18 months was simply brilliant but..... his petulance is so so bad, it needs stamping out. Captain behaving like that is just pathetic, part of the role is controlling those childish instincts to lead by example.
Lukaku nearly clumped his teammate a few weeks ago for doing that at Inter, it's simply not cool.
TBF they were all bad bad bad.
Manager did not cover himself in Glory either. Rashford not being set loose on TAA? No Sabitzer? Antony starting the game?
It's been a decent season thus far but results like this hurt and they hurt hard especially when it's against the scouse. The killer for me has to be the fact they gave up!
Were they that tired? what happened in their heads?
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Post by mightyez on Mar 6, 2023 9:34:02 GMT
With all due respect, ETH needs his arse kicked too this morning , and his team has been training the squad as well as anyone could demand - we just don't have the squad depth to go deep into all these competitions without exhaustion/totally abysmal luck popping up every now and again. I looked at that XI and, other than Antony and Wout (we have nobody else since Martial is a perpetual sick note), I thought they'd be able to get a result. Once the team steps onto the pitch, I'm not sure Ten Hag can do much more - his in-game management and ability to switch and change things around has been brilliant. Yesterday was a total freakshow, though! Jay you sure? TBF the rest of your point does indicate you think that he could have started with other options maybe. Sabitzer should have started, you simply want to control the midfield in games like this and we all know sabitzer and Casemiro and Fred would have given us the best chance at at that. Antony should not have started, Bruno was terrible but you simply start him on the right to accommodate Sabitzer coming. Hard to argue with any other selection in fairness. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Mar 6, 2023 9:41:12 GMT
Woke up today and felt violated, that horror show has to be put right in the next game with a win nothing else will do. I hope Erik is kicking their arses in training. The ONLY way that game gets put right is by giving them a right good pasting in return, which i doubt will ever be lucky enough to see unless the Qatari's back us in getting the best players in the world through the door! Fuckin livid this morning, we're a laughing stock once again! i thought we'd moved passed this kind of thing! 🤬🙄 |
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Post by Karma on Mar 6, 2023 9:47:08 GMT
I think my recent record on Rashford shows that when players perform, I am fair in praising them. Rashford was missing yesterday. Possibly not his fault because as a sole main striker you are relying on the midfield behind you, but in the second half he might as well not have been playing. He was quiet in the final last week as well - we commented on it during the game. The difference is when he was involved he was terrifying Newcastle and he scored. Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. His credit in the bank is for this year but last season he was MIA and didn’t look arsed for much of it. I leave nobody out. My agenda is taking no prisoners. |
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Post by Bestie on Mar 6, 2023 9:48:31 GMT
I think my recent record on Rashford shows that when players perform, I am fair in praising them. Rashford was missing yesterday. Possibly not his fault because as a sole main striker you are relying on the midfield behind you, but in the second half he might as well not have been playing. He was quiet in the final last week as well - we commented on it during the game. The difference is when he was involved he was terrifying Newcastle and he scored. Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. I'm not about to start talking for Karma, but be real here. Rashford has been excellent since the World Cup. That was three months ago. Six months ago he still looked like he could be a busted flush of potential. There certainly is not that much credit in the bank if you look beyond the last few months. I want him to be brilliant, consistently, and break all our records for goals, appearances, but most importantly trophies. I am willing him to be what we want him to be. But we cannot pretend he has not been a regular starter during our worst period for thirty years. The names Karma put in there have all been. So that could be what she is on about. Not everything is a myopic agenda of unfairness. Edit: 'Everyone else was crap too' is not an excuse I accept. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Mar 6, 2023 9:51:44 GMT
He didn't pick the wrong side, and his team has been training the squad as well as anyone could demand - we just don't have the squad depth to go deep into all these competitions without exhaustion/totally abysmal luck popping up every now and again. I looked at that XI and, other than Antony and Wout (we have nobody else since Martial is a perpetual sick note), I thought they'd be able to get a result. Once the team steps onto the pitch, I'm not sure Ten Hag can do much more - his in-game management and ability to switch and change things around has been brilliant. Yesterday was a total freakshow, though! Sabitzer should have started, you simply want to control the midfield in games like this and we all know sabitzer and Casemiro and Fred would have given us the best chance at at that. Have Sabizter and Casemiro started together before? I wasn't sure, but I get your point - also, the former hadn't started in a couple of games so even though I agree with you that he should have started I'm not sure throwing him in a starting XI at Anfield would have been the intuitive option. Agreed though, Sabitzer should have started ahead of Fred. |
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Post by Karma on Mar 6, 2023 9:51:58 GMT
Like pretty much everyone, Rashford was terrible yesterday. But that didn’t seem to be Karma’s point. She named him as part of a group that have started all our worst defeats this season and that we needed to speak some uncomfortable truths about them and him. Of course she decided to leave out the bit about him starting (and scoring in virtually all) in all our best victories. If anyone has credit in the bank it’s Rashford. You have been big enough to acknowledge Rashford’s brilliance this year. It seems her preposterous agenda against the guy is never far from the surface. I'm not about to start talking for Karma, but be real here. Rashford has been excellent since the World Cup. That was three months ago. Six months ago he still looked like he could be a busted flush of potential. There certainly is not that much credit in the bank if you look beyond the last few months. I want him to be brilliant, consistently, and break all our records for goals, appearances, but most importantly trophies. I am willing him to be what we want him to be. But we cannot pretend he has not been a regular starter during our worst period for thirty years. The names Karma put in there have all been. So that could be what she is on about. Not everything is a myopic agenda of unfairness. Edit: 'Everyone else was crap too' is not an excuse I accept. I’m a big fan of De Gea who was top of my list. Uncomfortable truths may include players you like. |
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