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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 7:43:02 GMT
I'd also love to know Greenwoods contract situation, fucking guarantee we're subsidising his wage in some way Greenwood is still under contract with United until June 2025. It is understood that United will pay the majority of his £75,000-a-week wages throughout his time in Spain, with Getafe contributing a modest percentage. Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. |
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Post by hogshead on Oct 1, 2023 7:50:11 GMT
Greenwood is still under contract with United until June 2025. It is understood that United will pay the majority of his £75,000-a-week wages throughout his time in Spain, with Getafe contributing a modest percentage. Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. Maybe they are hoping it will all blow over after another 2 years and they can then bring him back in 2025? Otherwise there seems no logic to it as you say. |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 1, 2023 7:53:36 GMT
I think we need to get away from the manager being the old fashioned type that controls every aspect of the club and go for a more modern approach where the club and manager(should be renamed head coach)identify players that fit into our system then if the head coach changes we are not ripping everything up and starting over.
New owners first obviously along with everyone above ETH going with them.
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 1, 2023 9:09:25 GMT
This lot will see off yet another manager and will pull their fingers out for a month or two before sliding back into mediocrity. This is why I'm reluctant to turn on another manager. Mistakes aside I do think Ten Hag has the tools to be the right guy. But most of them have done this to more than 1 manager already. They'll just keep doing it until they're held accountable. Such weak as fuck mentalities. I agree but he needs to get results else he simply will be sacked. He needs to stop being so nieve with senior players. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 9:27:21 GMT
This is why I'm reluctant to turn on another manager. Mistakes aside I do think Ten Hag has the tools to be the right guy. But most of them have done this to more than 1 manager already. They'll just keep doing it until they're held accountable. Such weak as fuck mentalities. I agree but he needs to get results else he simply will be sacked. He needs to stop being so nieve with senior players. Yeah on that point I agree. He has the power to hold these players accountable. So far he's done it with some of them. Needs to do it with the rest now. |
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Post by Stew on Oct 1, 2023 9:27:26 GMT
Greenwood is still under contract with United until June 2025. It is understood that United will pay the majority of his £75,000-a-week wages throughout his time in Spain, with Getafe contributing a modest percentage. Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. There is clearly no grounds legally to release him. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 1, 2023 9:29:33 GMT
Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. There is clearly no grounds legally to release him. I get that. Just thought Getafe would have paid the entirety of his wages. The fact he's not at the club will do though. |
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Post by Kojak on Oct 1, 2023 9:39:35 GMT
Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. There is clearly no grounds legally to release him. We’d have had to pay him off, whereas I suppose this way if he scores some goals this season, we’ll be able to get a fee in the summer. |
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Post by Karma on Oct 1, 2023 10:17:40 GMT
Never saw the sense in this. They couldn't take him back and play him because of what's happened (and rightly so) but they'll pay the majority of his wages to play elsewhere. Maybe they are hoping it will all blow over after another 2 years and they can then bring him back in 2025? Otherwise there seems no logic to it as you say. That’s exactly what they’re doing . |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 1, 2023 11:58:09 GMT
New manager bounce is definitely over and a lot of players reverting to type and aren't going to fight for this manager the same way they didn't fight for the others.
Once again we have failed to build on a promising first season and are left hoping that we can find some rhythm and build some form and salvage something from this season.
Amrabat being integrated into our midfield should make a big difference. Garnacho is finding his form (although it is little benefit when Erik seems determined to keep using him as an impact sub rather than dropping Rashford). Mount looks better since returning from injury and when the service eventually improves Hojlund should start scoring goals. And Erik has brought in enough of his own men that he probably won't lose the dressing room the way previous managers did. And we do have more depth than last season even if it isn't apparent from the unprecedented number of injuries.
Just hard to really get excited about another struggle for top 4. And I really don't want to see us playing Europa League again even though the way things are going we could easily finish 3rd in our group.
Nothing will change until we get new owners who will back the manager unreservedly and allow him to be ruthless, replace underperforming players, and think long term rather than always having to find short term fixes to paper over the cracks.
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Post by Stew on Oct 1, 2023 12:28:54 GMT
There is clearly no grounds legally to release him. We’d have had to pay him off, whereas I suppose this way if he scores some goals this season, we’ll be able to get a fee in the summer. Indeed. Makes financially sound, if morally repugnant, sense. |
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Post by alt on Oct 3, 2023 7:49:35 GMT
Time to bench Rashford. In this form, he's completely pointless. Poor decision-making, finishing, and work rate and simply not enough for our supposed 'star player' on £350k a week. Looks to be yet another awful piece of decision-making from the board to give him this huge contract based on a 3-month purple patch.
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Post by Karma on Oct 3, 2023 8:49:14 GMT
Time to bench Rashford. In this form, he's completely pointless. Poor decision-making, finishing, and work rate and simply not enough for our supposed 'star player' on £350k a week. Looks to be yet another awful piece of decision-making from the board to give him this huge contract based on a 3-month purple patch. Problem is when he does score it will be used to silence his critics and we’re supposed to forget all the bits in between. |
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Post by safariRed on Oct 3, 2023 9:25:45 GMT
Time to bench Rashford. In this form, he's completely pointless. Poor decision-making, finishing, and work rate and simply not enough for our supposed 'star player' on £350k a week. Looks to be yet another awful piece of decision-making from the board to give him this huge contract based on a 3-month purple patch. I agree with you but to be fair to Rashford, he played a major role in us Qualifying for Champions league not forgetting of course Liverpool fucking up enough early on to give us the chance... Should we really be benching him though? All it takes is a moment or 2 and suddenly he's on a another purple patch. Garnacho shouldn't really be on the bench either but that's the Managers problem. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 3, 2023 10:48:14 GMT
As we mentioned signing Hojlund was a bit of a gamble. Lack of funds isn't an excuse because we blew £100m on Mount and Onana which could have supplemented our budget for a striker (and left some money over to buy a defender as well).
Presumably Erik felt confident taking that gamble because he assumed that Rashford would score 20-30 goals a season and continue to be our top scorer so that even if Hojlund only managed 10-15 goals in his maiden season it would still improve our goals total from last year.
But it is backfiring badly so far. Hojlund isn't getting the service and is still very raw. And Rashford is being very wasteful. And if things continue this way Erik will lose his job by the end of the year.
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