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Post by redcase on Nov 2, 2023 6:56:51 GMT
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Post by Stew on Nov 2, 2023 7:34:41 GMT
His Ajax team were brilliant, we all saw them. Incredible attacking football, a joy to watch. By all accounts his work with the Bayern reserves was superb too. Bayern wanted him to stay, Pep in particular. He gets here and now looks like a Championship manager, at best.
This place has become a graveyard for managers and players alike. Bruno is a walking liability at Utd, looks like prime Scholes playing for Portugal…
This cannot be fixed given the current structure.
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Post by mightyez on Nov 2, 2023 7:52:01 GMT
His Ajax team were brilliant, we all saw them. Incredible attacking football, a joy to watch. By all accounts his work with the Bayern reserves was superb too. Bayern wanted him to stay, Pep in particular. He gets here and now looks like a Championship manager, at best. This place has become a graveyard for managers and players alike. Bruno is a walking liability at Utd, looks like prime Scholes playing for Portugal… This cannot be fixed given the current structure. Agree with this completely. Granted the man has not helped himself sometimes but really his supporting cast are clueless. The people above him that should be trying to help him are abject failures. Proper structure needed above him and let’s go from there |
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Post by mightyez on Nov 2, 2023 8:00:40 GMT
Erik we don’t believe Amrabat is suitable for this league and club, we will get Lavia instead or …..
Erik we missed it with Antony, his priced has doubled, it’s our mistake but on that basis we will not be buying him. We paid a lot for Diallo, you are an excellent coach, can you work with him and develop him, same for pellestri. Let’s get Gakpo as Martial simply will not help you long term and we can’t shift him right now, it would mean you have money to get a CM.
Why are conversations like the above not being had and enforced!
Help the man, help the team, help the club!
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Post by ratbag on Nov 2, 2023 8:07:10 GMT
Whatever the question, sacking the manager is not the answer…
..but you know we will…
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Post by Kojak on Nov 2, 2023 8:25:20 GMT
His Ajax team were brilliant, we all saw them. Incredible attacking football, a joy to watch. By all accounts his work with the Bayern reserves was superb too. Bayern wanted him to stay, Pep in particular. He gets here and now looks like a Championship manager, at best. This place has become a graveyard for managers and players alike. Bruno is a walking liability at Utd, looks like prime Scholes playing for Portugal… This cannot be fixed given the current structure. I honestly think we should just carry on, take three and four goal hidings for the rest of the season, win the odd game 2-1 and keep the manager. Just to fuck over the players who are committed to getting another one sacked as much as anything. Like, sod the lot of you, you’re not more powerful than him, learn to live with it. We won’t succeed under this structure. Last season was about the ceiling for what we can achieve I think. Short of getting someone like Keano in to just hammer them all, in my mind there is no point sacking the gaffer. The next one in will go the same way. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Nov 2, 2023 8:51:37 GMT
I have to be honest. I didn’t watch the game nor did I intend to watch the game. I can’t say that I don’t care that we lost 0:3 at home to Newcastle because that would be a lie, but the level of indifference I feel about it today is shocking - a year ago I would be fuming. This indifference makes me somewhat sad, because it means to me that the irrational hold of following the football club is over (we all know somewhere in our minds that it makes no sense to get so angry or happy when a football club does well or poorly as it has 0 actual impact on our lives). Regarding ETH, I still think there’s no point in sacking him, but he lost the players. Many are his players so this is a bad sign. He dug his own grave with his transfer decisions and that is often the game managers play - if your transfers work you’re a genius, if they don’t.. you’re out. Nothing really gets resolved until we change owners. This. Looking at what we have and what we need, and trying to put emotion completely out of it. Onana is a good 'keeper. You don't win titles, and play in Europa League and Champions League finals if you're shite. AWB could have a future in a squad role, but he's not a starting RB for a team wanting to compete at the highest level. Same goes for Lindelof. Dalot is shit. Maguire is shit. Varane is still very good but always injured and on his way downhill. Martinez is top class and a big miss. Evans is finished at this level, obviously, and this will be his last season as a professional. Shaw is 50/50, can be great can be awful. Malacia has done little to suggest he's anything more than Alex Buttner mark 2. Casemiro was excellent but has looked well off the pace since Feb. That's 9 months of poor performances, he looks past it. Ericksen was a stop gap signing, can play a squad role still but shouldn't be a regular. Mount is terrible, just a nothing, pointless footballer. McTominay tries but is massively limited and should be gone. Mainoo looks like a definite talent but lets wait and see him in actual competitive games not just friendlies before deciding whether he's the real deal or another Zidane Iqbal. Bruno, well there's 2 camps on him and I'm firmly in the "massively over-rated" one. Yes the statisticians will love to point to his expected assists and other useless markers of a player. I look at actual performances and see a one trick pony who scored a bunch of penalties and conned people into thinking he was something he isn't, Get rid. Amrabat has added nothing and looks like a bang average midfielder. Hannibal tries but is a walking red card and really doesn't look up to ever making it here. Antony is absolutely shit. As is Sancho. Rashford again like Bruno, conned us all. He's wank and a lot of us owe Bestie and Karma apologies because they saw through it even when he was playing well. Garnacho is a talent but very raw. As is Hojlund. And Amad. Martial is shit. Pellestri looks half decent but not good enough for a top side. So, after all that money spent we have Onana, Varane, Martinez, Lindelof, Shaw, AWB, Ericksen, Casemiro, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, and Amad who could play a part in a squad that wins titles. And 3 of those are 30+ and not looking like they'll be at this level much longer, so that title would have to be in the next 18 months. And 4 of those are very young and unproven. So, at best we really need around 15 new players in and every one of them to be a success. More if the youngsters don't progress. Fuck me. Fair play to you for doing this, i'd thought of doing the same myself going through player by player but could never be arsed, i've given up, agree with what you've said though, makes for very sad reading, we needed the Sheikh to perform the player reset required and that's not happening so we're screwed. Really not sure where we go next 🤷♂️ |
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Post by safariRed on Nov 2, 2023 9:27:07 GMT
Whatever the question, sacking the manager is not the answer… ..but you know we will… We absolutely cannot sack the manager. The players have proven beyond doubt they are incapable of playing together as a cohesive unit no matter which manager you throw at them. I don't have the Answers but this group of players is not it. |
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Post by alt on Nov 2, 2023 9:38:57 GMT
Gary Neville @gnev2 On my way up to the gantry last night I bumped into Dan Ashworth. He transformed the FA’s structure, set Brighton up for this incredible period of success and has now built a strong foundation for the new owners at Newcastle. He’s competent, highly qualified and knows what he’s doing. Will work with his coach , recruitment team and other departments coherently and calmly. In the last two matches Manchester United have played two clubs that have installed proper football departments to support the team on the pitch and off it. The complete opposite of United. We haven’t got a sporting director! I used to travel up to Newcastle and feel sorry for their great fans when the energy and enthusiasm had been sapped from them under Mike Ashley. It was painful to see. Last night we saw the Theatre of Dreams turn into the Theatre of Nothing. Every single United fan bored and flat . On the pitch the players in shock, the performances woeful and a manager struggling in front of our eyes. We’ve seen it before, we know how it ends and we’ve had enough. Neville is doing my fucking nut in with this obsession of pretty much putting the entire blame on the ownership. I'm sorry, but I cannot agree for one minute that that's the cause of us looking completely fucking clueless on the pitch. EtH has spent £400m on players (the majority of which are all his targets) and had 18 months in charge, yet it's like he took over last week. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Nov 2, 2023 9:42:19 GMT
His Ajax team were brilliant, we all saw them. Incredible attacking football, a joy to watch. By all accounts his work with the Bayern reserves was superb too. Bayern wanted him to stay, Pep in particular. He gets here and now looks like a Championship manager, at best. This place has become a graveyard for managers and players alike. Bruno is a walking liability at Utd, looks like prime Scholes playing for Portugal… This cannot be fixed given the current structure. I honestly think we should just carry on, take three and four goal hidings for the rest of the season, win the odd game 2-1 and keep the manager. Just to fuck over the players who are committed to getting another one sacked as much as anything. Like, sod the lot of you, you’re not more powerful than him, learn to live with it. We won’t succeed under this structure. Last season was about the ceiling for what we can achieve I think. Short of getting someone like Keano in to just hammer them all, in my mind there is no point sacking the gaffer. The next one in will go the same way. Absolutely on board with this. |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Nov 2, 2023 9:59:55 GMT
His Ajax team were brilliant, we all saw them. Incredible attacking football, a joy to watch. By all accounts his work with the Bayern reserves was superb too. Bayern wanted him to stay, Pep in particular. He gets here and now looks like a Championship manager, at best. This place has become a graveyard for managers and players alike. Bruno is a walking liability at Utd, looks like prime Scholes playing for Portugal… This cannot be fixed given the current structure. I honestly think we should just carry on, take three and four goal hidings for the rest of the season, win the odd game 2-1 and keep the manager. Just to fuck over the players who are committed to getting another one sacked as much as anything. Like, sod the lot of you, you’re not more powerful than him, learn to live with it. We won’t succeed under this structure. Last season was about the ceiling for what we can achieve I think. Short of getting someone like Keano in to just hammer them all, in my mind there is no point sacking the gaffer. The next one in will go the same way. Agreed. I honestly would rather get relegated than sack him at this point in time. Make a point, take a stand. |
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Post by Kojak on Nov 2, 2023 10:06:16 GMT
I honestly think we should just carry on, take three and four goal hidings for the rest of the season, win the odd game 2-1 and keep the manager. Just to fuck over the players who are committed to getting another one sacked as much as anything. Like, sod the lot of you, you’re not more powerful than him, learn to live with it. We won’t succeed under this structure. Last season was about the ceiling for what we can achieve I think. Short of getting someone like Keano in to just hammer them all, in my mind there is no point sacking the gaffer. The next one in will go the same way. Absolutely on board with this. I just think it’s probably the only thing you can do to destroy the player power at the club really. Doesn’t matter what you do, you are not bigger than the boss. I mean, ideally you’d follow this up with shipping a load of them out in the summer, culture-reset, but we wouldn’t be able to do that because we’re controlled by idiots and it would get cocked up. I just cannot see the point in paying to get rid of the manager and all his staff now. You’re writing the season off anyway by doing that. Just back him into oblivion, ride or die. He’s your man, you hired him to reshape this club in his own image. Ultimately I think there’s a black cloud over the club whereby the mood is never going to be right under these current circumstances. And I would again cite what’s happened with the Geordies since High-Street Hitler pissed off. There’s no way the players and staff don’t pick up on the general feeling of the fans towards the owners and the running of the place. Again, they’re coming to work and we do not have the top class facilities that should be expected at a club of this size. Anyone who has ever worked in a dilapidated office will have an appreciation of how that feels. If you’re not investing in this building and the equipment within, how am I supposed to treat this as a serious operation? Friend of mine within HMRC moved from a shitty government building to a much better one and the change in productivity was massive. Staff felt like they were being invested in and trusted to do the job. Alright United is bigger than a daft office building but there’s definitely a common principle there I think. A workplace is a workplace. |
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Post by viking22 on Nov 2, 2023 10:44:58 GMT
I think it is worth giving Erik a bit more time to wake up. He is still in the denial stage where he is believing in his players and thinking they will come good and show their "true selves". Trusting these players will get him sacked.
He needs to treat them like the schoolchildren they are and get tough. What happened to the Erik that made them run laps for not covering enough ground? He needs to implement a culture where good performances are rewarded and bad performances result in being dropped regardless of status.
He also needs to be more realistic. His philosophy isn't going to work at the club. Our players do not have the technical ability or the discipline or the ability to play as a team. He needs to go back to basics and get us back on track.
Most of the new manager bounce is because a new manager comes in and makes changes. It doesn't matter what the changes are. Simply making changes and taking a fresh approach can break the downward spiral and increase motivation and morale. There is limited desire to spend £15m to sack Erik and no real superior candidates available. So we need Erik to wake up and shake things up a bit and make changes himself.
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2023 10:52:40 GMT
ETH is second favourite to be sacked next.
Current favourites to take the role in order -
Nagelsmann
Zidane
Potter
De Zerbi
Lopetegui
Conte
Carrick
Southgate
The rest
Would be De Zebri for me, but I still want ETH. The club need to get rid of the deadwood before the manager. Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot and many others weren’t good enough 3 years ago and they are still here. It remains the biggest issue with the playing side of the club.
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Post by redcase on Nov 2, 2023 11:07:49 GMT
ETH is second favourite to be sacked next. Current favourites to take the role in order - Nagelsmann - German managerZidane - LOLPotter - God help the man if he considers this job after what he endured.De Zerbi - LOLLopetegui - WhyConte - Yes. For the LOLsCarrick - No. Let the man enjoy his footballSouthgate - Of course.The rest Would be De Zebri for me, but I still want ETH. The club need to get rid of the deadwood before the manager. Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot and many others weren’t good enough 3 years ago and they are still here. It remains the biggest issue with the playing side of the club. |
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