|
|
Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2023 11:04:32 GMT
So the consensus appears to be ETH out… I have also lost faith in him but with the current regime (or even without it) who can we get in who will do a better job and who we can have long term to rebuild our squad? I don't think it's an ETH out, just that people are now questioning him. We all know club is rotten from the top and that has spread but the reality is the manager does some baffling things and he is not helping himself. The players, well many of them anyway are just pathetic. Rashford's attitude stinks, no sense of leadership whatsover, he is an absolute clown. He knows his body language and lack of effort was called into question a year ago, why would you now revert back to that when things aren't going your way? Seems like any issue with his now Ex and he just collapses on the pitch. He has been well looked after by the club, time to start earning those wages, manager on his part has to realise when to bench people, Rashford included. No team and I mean no team should lack in effort, if you lose to the better team then so be it but at the very least, do the basics |
|
|
|
Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2023 11:06:25 GMT
Scholesy bang on with this, i mentioned Bruno's ability to throw us out of shape the other day, he goes off chasing shit he shouldn't and throws the midfield out of shape, although part of it is on Erik though, he needs to play a flat 3 or 4 in midfield and make sure they keep their discipline, have the whole team play higher up the pitch and stay as a unit, what the fuck they do on the training field i'll never know, they all still look like complete strangers We go back to leadership with Manchester United,” said Scholes. “That’s our captain, Bruno – he’s all over the place, absolutely all over the football pitch, playing anywhere that he probably shouldn’t be. He’s the one as well, getting people in their positions – McTominay, he’s off everywhere as well. You’re playing away at Newcastle, a very tough game, play with discipline, play with team management.” “He’s got a young lad coming into midfield, Kobbie Mainoo, who did okay, but he needs people next to him, he needs held next to him. You can’t just go flying off and being indisciplined. At some point, you will get your chances, but play with discipline first.” “He possibly is trying to almost be a Roy of the Rovers character, he’s trying to be everywhere, he’s trying to help everywhere but sometimes on a football pitch you can run too much. You can do too much, you can be in too many areas of the field. I think it’s messing the whole team structure up. I can imagine playing with him in central midfield and I wouldn’t know where he was – where is he? Where is he? You would have to be telling him all the time ‘look, stay there, stay in the position’, It’s no good you being on the left hand side or the right hand side or going to get the ball off the centre halves, there is no pattern to your play and you don’t know where your players are.” “You see Newcastle, every one of those players know where each other is. Is that coaching? I don’t know. Is it discipline from them, ill-discipline from Manchester United? When you know where people are, you wouldn’t understand how much of a difference that makes to your football team. When I played, I knew who was next to me, I knew who the wide players were, I didn’t even have to look. In this team they’re just so disjoined, so all over the place, and it happens that many times that you have to wonder what is the manager giving to them? Does he like it like that? He can’t possibly like it with the way they played tonight,” he added. Lack of discipline really. Pep would bench players for stuff like that. These players have to start using their brains |
|
|
|
Post by johnboy14 on Dec 4, 2023 11:27:20 GMT
So the consensus appears to be ETH out… I have also lost faith in him but with the current regime (or even without it) who can we get in who will do a better job and who we can have long term to rebuild our squad? I don't think it's an ETH out, just that people are now questioning him. We all know club is rotten from the top and that has spread but the reality is the manager does some baffling things and he is not helping himself. The players, well many of them anyway are just pathetic. Rashford's attitude stinks, no sense of leadership whatsover, he is an absolute clown. He knows his body language and lack of effort was called into question a year ago, why would you now revert back to that when things aren't going your way? Seems like any issue with his now Ex and he just collapses on the pitch. He has been well looked after by the club, time to start earning those wages, manager on his part has to realise when to bench people, Rashford included. No team and I mean no team should lack in effort, if you lose to the better team then so be it but at the very least, do the basics We saw this everytime we played those old Arsenal sides under Wenger. If you got in front, they'd lose their shape and drift all over the place. We normally put them to the sword because they had zero discipline. We are Arsenal, only much worse. |
|
|
|
Post by Paul on Dec 4, 2023 12:23:21 GMT
So the consensus appears to be ETH out… I have also lost faith in him but with the current regime (or even without it) who can we get in who will do a better job and who we can have long term to rebuild our squad? I haven't lost faith in him yet and certainly dont want him out but I'm certainly starting to ask questions after repeatedly not learning from mistakes. This period is make or break for him now. Last season he wasn't afraid of making tough decisions for the betterment of the team. He needs to go back to doing that because playing the likes of Rashford and Martial is going to cost him his job. Hojlund has now played 10 games in the league now and has had next to fuck all to feed off. That needs to be addressed. |
|
|
|
Post by alwaysUnited on Dec 4, 2023 16:48:16 GMT
So the consensus appears to be ETH out… I have also lost faith in him but with the current regime (or even without it) who can we get in who will do a better job and who we can have long term to rebuild our squad? I haven't lost faith in him yet and certainly dont want him out but I'm certainly starting to ask questions after repeatedly not learning from mistakes. This period is make or break for him now. Last season he wasn't afraid of making tough decisions for the betterment of the team. He needs to go back to doing that because playing the likes of Rashford and Martial is going to cost him his job.Hojlund has now played 10 games in the league now and has had next to fuck all to feed off. That needs to be addressed. It has been a common theme for all the managers , they all come and start positively. Remember Ole's 'I will be successful here and some players wont be a part of it' quote ? Then after one season things start going south, players return to their usual self,manager keep backing them hoping things will turn around and finally they get the sack. |
|
|
|
Post by redcase on Dec 4, 2023 19:35:09 GMT
How reliable is this Kaveh guy?
He says ten Hag has lost 50% of the dressing room.
It was only a matter of time before they did this to the manager tbf
|
|
|
|
Post by bushy1987 on Dec 4, 2023 19:45:11 GMT
How reliable is this Kaveh guy? He says ten Hag has lost 50% of the dressing room. It was only a matter of time before they did this to the manager tbf And no doubt they will do it to the next one too, cunts the lot of them. |
|
|
|
Post by viking22 on Dec 4, 2023 19:51:19 GMT
'Among the issues being raised privately among some players are Ten Hag's intense training sessions since the preseason tour of the United States, and what are considered to be cavalier tactics which have left the team open,'
This report is from ESPN. And it has a certain ring of truth to it. Would explain all the injuries. And how easily opposition teams can get at us and put our defence under pressure.
|
|
|
|
Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2023 19:52:06 GMT
Writing on the wall unless owner/investor tell players to buzz off and perform or be sold
|
|
|
|
Post by dazjoe on Dec 4, 2023 20:42:47 GMT
Can't really see any other way it'll go now, mirrors Ole's and Jose's final weeks in charge perfectly.
Players have given up, results are shit and performances even more so. I'm still backing him but I'm also realistic enough to know what the outcome is going to be.
A lot of it he has brought on himself, not going to list reasons as done already and we're all know what they are. But a lot of others have been out of his control and he's been putting out fires left right and centre. New guy will come in, start with the whole "Clean slate" business and Sancho will be back in the team, Rashford will decide he'll start putting something approaching an effort in, and things will look OK. Until he tells Sancho to pull his head in and actually come to training on time, and gives Rashford some constructive feedback, then back to square 1 and they'll down tools again, rinse and repeat.
I'd really truly hope we'd get the 50% of the dressing room that are lost, and tell every single one of them they will all be gone from this club by summer at the latest, and that ETH will be here long term. But no. Players own football now and they all know it. Bunch of overpaid, arrogant, overrated, fucking cunts.
|
|
|
|
Post by Stretty on Dec 4, 2023 21:19:12 GMT
How reliable is this Kaveh guy? He says ten Hag has lost 50% of the dressing room. It was only a matter of time before they did this to the manager tbf rinse and repeat. im surprised it’s only 50% the way we’ve been playing. |
|
|
|
Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2023 21:35:52 GMT
Got to assume the senior players that have played at big clubs are Varane and Casemiro
|
|
|
|
Post by mightyez on Dec 4, 2023 21:38:59 GMT
These players are disgusting animals
Manager isn’t perfect but my gosh they are animals these players, whoever they are Jim, sell them. Whilst they are around there will be no consistent progress
|
|
|
|
Post by keanosdog16 on Dec 4, 2023 22:00:15 GMT
These players really don’t like anything do they, ole was too lenient and now Erik too strict, ah didums, fuckin babies
|
|
|
|
Post by dazjoe on Dec 4, 2023 22:14:09 GMT
Imagine this lot under Ferguson. Turning up at players houses during a party to drag them outside and kick their arses home. Having them watched on nights out. Giving them the hairdryer, screaming in their faces after another shit performance.
Fuck me they'd be straight onto their social media. "This is actually bullying in the workplace, I feel triggered and need a safe space. Ferguson pointed at me and said "him". He assumed my gender! I feel attacked. The canteen was serving chicken; they know I am a vegan, I can't play for a club like this."
We've really raised a generation of absolute wet fucking blankets.
|
|
