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Post by alt on Dec 13, 2023 10:10:09 GMT
It says it all when the guy is hanging his hat on continually playing McTominay in the hope that he'll end up scoring to scrape a win, regardless of how diabolical he is in general, or how detrimental he is to the team.
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Post by Stretty on Dec 13, 2023 10:15:08 GMT
This is why I can't take him seriously anymore. One shot on target (Shaw's long-range effort) and we never looked threatening for the whole game. He's in fucking cuckoo land and it's just embarrassing/laughable. No top drawer manger talks like this(they always demand the highest of standards). This is plucky underdog level of bollocks. Could you imagine Fergie spouting that nonsense. |
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Post by alt on Dec 13, 2023 10:36:12 GMT
This is why I can't take him seriously anymore. One shot on target (Shaw's long-range effort) and we never looked threatening for the whole game. He's in fucking cuckoo land and it's just embarrassing/laughable. No top drawer manger talks like this(they always demand the highest of standards). This is plucky underdog level of bollocks. Could you imagine Fergie spouting that nonsense. Indeed. It's on par with some of the shite Ole came out with. |
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Post by Kojak on Dec 13, 2023 10:58:58 GMT
The thing that annoys me is how insipid we were. Why not like the first game, which we lost but at least went for the throat? Tried to keep it tight and pinch one hasn’t he. But when it doesn’t work, it just looks feeble. |
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Post by DedRevil on Dec 13, 2023 11:02:46 GMT
If we'd have kept Dave and not even spent the £50m on an outfield player, we'd be in the last 16. I was excited by Onana but he's another disaster of a signing by the manager.
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Post by Karma on Dec 13, 2023 11:41:27 GMT
If we'd have kept Dave and not even spent the £50m on an outfield player, we'd be in the last 16. I was excited by Onana but he's another disaster of a signing by the manager. I’m sure Dave had a year option trigger on his contract. Stupid Eric. |
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Post by seanie on Dec 13, 2023 11:49:12 GMT
This is why I can't take him seriously anymore. One shot on target (Shaw's long-range effort) and we never looked threatening for the whole game. He's in fucking cuckoo land and it's just embarrassing/laughable. No top drawer manger talks like this(they always demand the highest of standards). This is plucky underdog level of bollocks. Could you imagine Fergie spouting that nonsense. Mate, you are obviously a long term fan. How bad was Fergies first 4/5 years? and even in year 5/6 when we won the league by this point of the season in November 92 we were 10th and had scored less goals than this team. It all changed that year when we got Cantona, who started in November. 10 goals and 10 assists in 20 games. I think the worst season Fergie had for me was 89/90 year 3.. 13th after a big transfer window including 5 big names of which 2 went on to be legends the other 3 were a complete flop. It was dreadful football and talk of relegation at one point. A lot of fans couldn't stand him back then either or his accent or what he was saying. Look at the team the squad and the injuries. The ownership chaos and the inability to move on players, with owners who are literally a barrier to success and muppets in the recruitment space. The first half of this season was always going to be a nightmare after the injuries set in with this squad. The second half will be a lot better and then he will have some semblance of stability, experience and charisma from the people above to operate better in the transfer market. |
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Post by seanie on Dec 13, 2023 11:51:38 GMT
If we'd have kept Dave and not even spent the £50m on an outfield player, we'd be in the last 16. I was excited by Onana but he's another disaster of a signing by the manager. I’m sure Dave had a year option trigger on his contract. Stupid Eric. Dave was shite too last season and made a whole load of important bloopers. I'm betting Onana will be a big success eventually once/if he gets a decent settled back four and cm in front of him |
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Post by Kamilo on Dec 13, 2023 12:54:05 GMT
He’s all ready admitted that he will not and cannot implement his Ajax style of play with this group so unless he has another philosophy up his sleeve we haven’t seen to date it’s Ole freestyle football status quo going forward. What the fuck do they actually do in training? Harsh on Ole this as for his faults, we were the best counter attacking team in the league under him. What are we the best at now? More of a reference to our lack of philosophy or style. |
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Post by DedRevil on Dec 13, 2023 13:16:23 GMT
No top drawer manger talks like this(they always demand the highest of standards). This is plucky underdog level of bollocks. Could you imagine Fergie spouting that nonsense. Mate, you are obviously a long term fan. How bad was Fergies first 4/5 years? and even in year 5/6 when we won the league by this point of the season in November 92 we were 10th and had scored less goals than this team. It all changed that year when we got Cantona, who started in November. 10 goals and 10 assists in 20 games. I think the worst season Fergie had for me was 89/90 year 3.. 13th after a big transfer window including 5 big names of which 2 went on to be legends the other 3 were a complete flop. It was dreadful football and talk of relegation at one point. A lot of fans couldn't stand him back then either or his accent or what he was saying. Look at the team the squad and the injuries. The ownership chaos and the inability to move on players, with owners who are literally a barrier to success and muppets in the recruitment space. The first half of this season was always going to be a nightmare after the injuries set in with this squad. The second half will be a lot better and then he will have some semblance of stability, experience and charisma from the people above to operate better in the transfer market. Erik aint turning us into title winners with someone who comes in and gets 10 goals and 10 assists. |
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Post by Stretty on Dec 13, 2023 13:18:12 GMT
No top drawer manger talks like this(they always demand the highest of standards). This is plucky underdog level of bollocks. Could you imagine Fergie spouting that nonsense.
I think the worst season Fergie had for me was 89/90 year 3.. 13th after a big transfer window including 5 big names of which 2 went on to be legends the other 3 were a complete flop. It was dreadful football and talk of relegation at one point. A lot of fans couldn't stand him back then either or his accent or what he was saying. Look at the team the squad and the injuries. The ownership chaos and the inability to move on players, with owners who are literally a barrier to success and muppets in the recruitment space. The first half of this season was always going to be a nightmare after the injuries set in with this squad. The second half will be a lot better and then he will have some semblance of stability, experience and charisma from the people above to operate better in the transfer market. We have to stop going back to the Fergie 86-91 years as a yardstick to accept failure year on year because football has moved on since then and so should we.Fergie had things like drinking culture and the youth setup to deal with and while not all his signings worked he built a title winning team around Robson(already here),Cantona, Pallister and bruce etc. + youth. ETH has been in charge 18 months and has been decently backed but the team looks worse now than it did the day ole was sacked. Lets act like Real Madrid or Romans Chelsea(who don't accept mediocrity or wait 4 years for things to improve because it worked 30+ years ago) and start getting ruthless with standards. Yes there are problems above him but any ambitious club would have fired ETH months ago(if not the day after the 0-7 at the scouse last season). |
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Post by viking22 on Dec 13, 2023 13:23:19 GMT
If we keep making excuses for the manager and continuing to back him in the transfer market it is just going to create even more of a mess for the next manager to clear up.
I agree that injuries, the takeover drama, poor recruitment (mostly his fault but Murtough/Fletcher signed off on all his deals) and legacy scum are mitigating factors.
But is it too much to ask of a manager that he sets the team up in a balanced way, has some kind of game plan, and gets us doing the basics such as defending, passing, creating chances and scoring? Obsessing about playing from the back and pressing from the front is an unnecessary distraction.
And I really do think we need a manager who can be pragmatic rather than a wannabe philosopher coach.
And while recruitment will improve once we get a transfer chief and a proper DOF the manager will still need input as he is going to be the one coaching the players and picking the teams. So Erik's terrible eye for talent is a major concern. As is his seeming inability to improve players through his coaching as we will never have the funds to sign readymade world class talent.
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Post by Stretty on Dec 13, 2023 13:40:48 GMT
If we keep making excuses for the manager and continuing to back him in the transfer market it is just going to create even more of a mess for the next manager to clear up. I agree that injuries, the takeover drama, poor recruitment (mostly his fault but Murtough/Fletcher signed off on all his deals) and legacy scum are mitigating factors. But is it too much to ask of a manager that he sets the team up in a balanced way, has some kind of game plan, and gets us doing the basics such as defending, passing, creating chances and scoring? Obsessing about playing from the back and pressing from the front is an unnecessary distraction. And I really do think we need a manager who can be pragmatic rather than a wannabe philosopher coach. And while recruitment will improve once we get a transfer chief and a proper DOF the manager will still need input as he is going to be the one coaching the players and picking the teams. So Erik's terrible eye for talent is a major concern. As is his seeming inability to improve players through his coaching as we will never have the funds to sign readymade world class talent. If a manager 1. Has a poor track record with his signings(no manager gets them all right bar but Licha and Case last season have any others improved the team). 2. Has poor team selections and tactics. 3. Has poor in game management. 4. The training methods seem to be an issue as half the squad always seems to be injured. What else does he have that is worth persisting with him. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Dec 13, 2023 14:36:18 GMT
So lvg came in with his methods couldn't get a tune out of these guys, then we go and bring in a proven elite level manager in Jose, and guess what? He couldn't get anything either, finishing second was one of his best ever achievement, that says it all, then ole came with that bounce, and low and behold it fizzled out and the same players downed tools once again, massive buzz last year Eth coming in, actually looking like we had a manager who could change things, this summer the buzz was mental, looking like Qatar was taking over the rats finally gone.
In those last 10 years the club has done what it always does, backs the manager at the wrong time, doesn't back them when we need it most, gives stupid contracts to players who have a 2 month purple patch then we are stuck with them for another 5 years, Eth has faults Jose had faults lvg did too, but it can't just be the managers who are always to blame in this shit show. If it was down to me any player who has seen a manager off before should be out of the door before the new one.
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Post by seanie on Dec 13, 2023 15:41:14 GMT
Mate, you are obviously a long term fan. How bad was Fergies first 4/5 years? and even in year 5/6 when we won the league by this point of the season in November 92 we were 10th and had scored less goals than this team. It all changed that year when we got Cantona, who started in November. 10 goals and 10 assists in 20 games.
I think the worst season Fergie had for me was 89/90 year 3.. 13th after a big transfer window including 5 big names of which 2 went on to be legends the other 3 were a complete flop. It was dreadful football and talk of relegation at one point. A lot of fans couldn't stand him back then either or his accent or what he was saying. Look at the team the squad and the injuries. The ownership chaos and the inability to move on players, with owners who are literally a barrier to success and muppets in the recruitment space. The first half of this season was always going to be a nightmare after the injuries set in with this squad. The second half will be a lot better and then he will have some semblance of stability, experience and charisma from the people above to operate better in the transfer market. We have to stop going back to the Fergie 86-91 years as a yardstick to accept failure year on year because football has moved on since then and so should we.Fergie had things like drinking culture and the youth setup to deal with and while not all his signings worked he built a title winning team around Robson(already here),Cantona, Pallister and bruce etc. + youth. ETH has been in charge 18 months and has been decently backed but the team looks worse now than it did the day ole was sacked. Lets act like Real Madrid or Romans Chelsea(who don't accept mediocrity or wait 4 years for things to improve because it worked 30+ years ago) and start getting ruthless with standards. Yes there are problems above him but any ambitious club would have fired ETH months ago(if not the day after the 0-7 at the scouse last season). I would agree with that, if we acted like Romans Chelsea or Real in the transfer market for players to begin with. Arsenal for example fired Emery after 18 months and then waited for 3/4 years of mediocrity outside the CL spots with Arteta before getting results.( got rid of the players that threw Emery under the bus first and replaced them all) The Dippers took 4 years under Klopp to achieve anything and 5 years to win the league. Notice the pattern!? |
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