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Post by ratbag on Dec 13, 2023 16:10:01 GMT
I am still wondering who this semi-mythical super manager is supposed to be…
Any ideas??
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Post by Stretty on Dec 13, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
We have to stop going back to the Fergie 86-91 years as a yardstick to accept failure year on year because football has moved on since then and so should we.Fergie had things like drinking culture and the youth setup to deal with and while not all his signings worked he built a title winning team around Robson(already here),Cantona, Pallister and bruce etc. + youth. ETH has been in charge 18 months and has been decently backed but the team looks worse now than it did the day ole was sacked. Lets act like Real Madrid or Romans Chelsea(who don't accept mediocrity or wait 4 years for things to improve because it worked 30+ years ago) and start getting ruthless with standards. Yes there are problems above him but any ambitious club would have fired ETH months ago(if not the day after the 0-7 at the scouse last season). I would agree with that, if we acted like Romans Chelsea or Real in the transfer market for players to begin with. Arsenal for example fired Emery after 18 months and then waited for 3/4 years of mediocrity outside the CL spots with Arteta before getting results.( got rid of the players that threw Emery under the bus first and replaced them all) The Dippers took 4 years under Klopp to achieve anything and 5 years to win the league. Notice the pattern!? Neither Klopp nor Arteta got thumped 0-7 by their biggest rivals and neither where ever so easy to play against than this current Utd side. so how long do we give him then another 6 months, another season, another 2 seasons, another 4 seasons? |
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Post by johnboy14 on Dec 13, 2023 17:09:17 GMT
I would agree with that, if we acted like Romans Chelsea or Real in the transfer market for players to begin with. Arsenal for example fired Emery after 18 months and then waited for 3/4 years of mediocrity outside the CL spots with Arteta before getting results.( got rid of the players that threw Emery under the bus first and replaced them all) The Dippers took 4 years under Klopp to achieve anything and 5 years to win the league. Notice the pattern!? Neither Klopp nor Arteta got thumped 0-7 by their biggest rivals and neither where ever so easy to play against than this current Utd side. so how long do we give him then another 6 months, another season, another 2 seasons, another 4 seasons? Exactly, klopp took over a bang average squad and they managed to play good football almost instantly. Look what Emery is doing at Villa. Villa were relegation fodder when he took that job. He doesn't have the players to win the big trophies but it's clear to me that he can't translate what he wants to these players tactically. His dealings in the market are hugely worrying. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Dec 13, 2023 18:27:19 GMT
So lvg came in with his methods couldn't get a tune out of these guys, then we go and bring in a proven elite level manager in Jose, and guess what? He couldn't get anything either, finishing second was one of his best ever achievement, that says it all, then ole came with that bounce, and low and behold it fizzled out and the same players downed tools once again, massive buzz last year Eth coming in, actually looking like we had a manager who could change things, this summer the buzz was mental, looking like Qatar was taking over the rats finally gone. In those last 10 years the club has done what it always does, backs the manager at the wrong time, doesn't back them when we need it most, gives stupid contracts to players who have a 2 month purple patch then we are stuck with them for another 5 years, Eth has faults Jose had faults lvg did too, but it can't just be the managers who are always to blame in this shit show. If it was down to me any player who has seen a manager off before should be out of the door before the new one. god bless you man. this was well said. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Dec 13, 2023 18:28:13 GMT
I am still wondering who this semi-mythical super manager is supposed to be… Any ideas?? there isn't one. Fergie by all accounts would get run off by these useless cunts |
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Post by king nothing on Dec 13, 2023 19:53:35 GMT
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Post by Kojak on Dec 13, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
Harsh on Ole this as for his faults, we were the best counter attacking team in the league under him. What are we the best at now? More of a reference to our lack of philosophy or style. Yeah I don’t disagree with the point like. I think under Ole we did have a style of play and that was counter attacking and transitions. The problem was that wasn’t a style of play that people were happy with. We were bloody good at playing that way, statistically, factually, whatever, but it’s only taking you so far. I definitely couldn’t identify what we are trying to do now. The manager has talked about wanting us to be the strongest side in the world when it comes to transitions, but we’re not really particularly good at that anymore and have bought the likes of Antony who isn’t direct or particularly quick. |
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Post by hogshead on Dec 13, 2023 22:11:24 GMT
I understand that a few will want to try and take positives from nothing but there were none, Fresh legs trying to impress against a side coasting and not really trying mean ZERO. Have you seen much of Mainoo? The youth team, reserves? He’s one of the most composed CMs the club has produced in about 15 years. I havent seen much of him in the first team and until I do I will reserve my Judgement, I hope you are right but we have seen so much hype in the past. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 14, 2023 0:48:48 GMT
With Ole we could score goals, now we can’t or defend either.
Horrific.
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Post by safariRed on Dec 14, 2023 6:32:07 GMT
Zero Trophies under Ole.
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Post by Stretty on Dec 14, 2023 6:39:05 GMT
Ole should only ever managed us for the rest of the season Jose was sacked but the new manager bounce topped off with the psg win got the board(cheap option that wouldn’t rock the boat)and most of our nostalgic fan base(club legend that knows the United way)giddy that lead to the stupid decision to give him a 3 year contract. ETH has flattered to deceive and we’ve been shit since the cup final win against Newcastle which is unacceptable for a supposedly top club and this time round the club are too slow to be making a decision. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Dec 14, 2023 6:58:49 GMT
Ole should only ever managed us for the rest of the season Jose was sacked but the new manager bounce topped off with the psg win got the board(cheap option that wouldn’t rock the boat)and most of our nostalgic fan base(club legend that knows the United way)giddy that lead to the stupid decision to give him a 3 year contract. ETH has flattered to deceive and we’ve been shit since the cup final win against Newcastle which is unacceptable for a supposedly top club and this time round the club are too slow to be making a decision. It's pretty obvious that this happened. Let's not start over analysing Oles time at the club. It squirrels my brain, there was very little to shout about under Ole. There's alot of truth above about the players being the common denominatior in all of this. Saying that, it hasn't stopped Ten Hag playing underperforming players and applying wishful thinking. Nobody has hand cuffed him to picking Bruno, Rashford or Martial. His decision making us very suspect. I'd rather get sacked on my own terms than getting sacked because some golden gooses down tools and get me the sack. The younger players like Hannibal, Pellistri and Mainoo should be given a chance now |
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Post by Stew on Dec 14, 2023 7:51:22 GMT
Ole should only ever managed us for the rest of the season Jose was sacked but the new manager bounce topped off with the psg win got the board(cheap option that wouldn’t rock the boat)and most of our nostalgic fan base(club legend that knows the United way)giddy that lead to the stupid decision to give him a 3 year contract. ETH has flattered to deceive and we’ve been shit since the cup final win against Newcastle which is unacceptable for a supposedly top club and this time round the club are too slow to be making a decision. It's pretty obvious that this happened. Let's not start over analysing Oles time at the club. It squirrels my brain, there was very little to shout about under Ole. There's alot of truth above about the players being the common denominatior in all of this. Saying that, it hasn't stopped Ten Hag playing underperforming players and applying wishful thinking. Nobody has hand cuffed him to picking Bruno, Rashford or Martial. His decision making us very suspect. I'd rather get sacked on my own terms than getting sacked because some golden gooses down tools and get me the sack. The younger players like Hannibal, Pellistri and Mainoo should be given a chance now I said this weeks ago. I cannot understand why he won’t go full youth movement. The results are shit anyway but if you give kids a chance they will at least run themselves into the ground and the crowd would get fully behind them. Baffling to me. |
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Post by Stretty on Dec 14, 2023 8:35:33 GMT
Ole should only ever managed us for the rest of the season Jose was sacked but the new manager bounce topped off with the psg win got the board(cheap option that wouldn’t rock the boat)and most of our nostalgic fan base(club legend that knows the United way)giddy that lead to the stupid decision to give him a 3 year contract. ETH has flattered to deceive and we’ve been shit since the cup final win against Newcastle which is unacceptable for a supposedly top club and this time round the club are too slow to be making a decision. It's pretty obvious that this happened. Let's not start over analysing Oles time at the club. It squirrels my brain, there was very little to shout about under Ole. There's alot of truth above about the players being the common denominatior in all of this. Saying that, it hasn't stopped Ten Hag playing underperforming players and applying wishful thinking. Nobody has hand cuffed him to picking Bruno, Rashford or Martial. His decision making us very suspect. I'd rather get sacked on my own terms than getting sacked because some golden gooses down tools and get me the sack. The younger players like Hannibal, Pellistri and Mainoo should be given a chance nowIf he went down this road then I would be fully onboard with ETH(for now) because it would at least send a message to our so called senior players to pull their fingers out. saying that his signings, tactics and in game management will probably get him sacked anyway(which it should). |
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Post by Karma on Dec 14, 2023 9:59:19 GMT
He also got sacked. Rightly. |
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