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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 23, 2024 4:17:52 GMT
Gardening leave is a fact of life and surely INEOS realize that paying £20m compensation to get Ashworth is money well spent if it ensures we do not make a mess of this summer's transfer window? My fear is that they press ahead and let Wilcox and Erik (or whoever the manager is) drive recruitment this summer and we have another nightmare of a transfer window. Or SJR and Brailsford get involved and push us to buy British. Ashworth is far from perfect but he at least has experience from Brighton and Newcastle of overseeing a sensible recruitment plan. We desperately need that experience Very glazer like handling of important stuff. I dont like INEOS dragging their feet whenever it comes to actually spending money and showing ambition. |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 23, 2024 5:27:32 GMT
Gardening leave is a fact of life and surely INEOS realize that paying £20m compensation to get Ashworth is money well spent if it ensures we do not make a mess of this summer's transfer window? My fear is that they press ahead and let Wilcox and Erik (or whoever the manager is) drive recruitment this summer and we have another nightmare of a transfer window. Or SJR and Brailsford get involved and push us to buy British. Ashworth is far from perfect but he at least has experience from Brighton and Newcastle of overseeing a sensible recruitment plan. We desperately need that experience On the flip side it shows Ineos won’t just be mugged off by throwing money everywhere and wasting most of it(like we have been doing for 10+ years). |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 23, 2024 8:18:08 GMT
Jason Wilcox apparently has been tasked to do an audit of training under Ten Hag as part of a broader remit to assess whether Erik is fit for the job given the absence of a standout candidate to replace him.
Key areas of the audit include:
-Erik's relationship with playing staff
-Are the issues this season mostly personnel/injuries or are their deeper problems such as players ignoring instructions or Erik being too inflexible/intransigent in his approach?
-Whether his approach fits with the style of play and philosophy INEOS want to pursue
Seems very sensible rather than the Glazer knee-jerk approach of pulling the trigger whenever we fail to make top 4.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 23, 2024 9:18:38 GMT
Very glazer like handling of important stuff. I dont like INEOS dragging their feet whenever it comes to actually spending money and showing ambition. On the flip side it shows Ineos won’t just be mugged off by throwing money everywhere and wasting most of it(like we have been doing for 10+ years). Its not just this , profiles of managers linked with us , Jim openly saying 'its not clever to sign Mbappe' and how he would rather find the next big thing , refusing to pay Newcastle so that the likes of Ashworth can start working on next transfer window and the absolute state of medical department where Driscol was appointed (in september). His plans seems to be running United along the lines of RB Leipzig or Dortmund. Its not going to work. Then you combine all this with the fact that other club under his ownership - Nice - have pretty much stagnated and never even came close to challenging PSG after 5 years. I will remain a glass half empty guy until i can see some real improvement. |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 23, 2024 13:19:36 GMT
I can understand why we aren't paying £20m compensation when that would have to come off our transfer budget although hopefully once the season ends Newcastle will be more reasonable so we can get Ashworth on board at least by the time the Euros are over. Besides we always did most of our business 2nd half of the window under Fergie and with the Euros this year I think a lot of players aren't going to move until after that. So if Ashworth's late arrival means we don't rush into bad deals it could be a silver lining.
Difference with Leipzig and Nice is they were actually pretty well run when INEOS took over especially in terms of player recruitment. We've wasted over a billion over the last decade.
I am also very much in favour of the idea that recruitment should be not based on the whims of the rotating cast of management but based on long-term joined up planning by committee so that change of approach should make a significant difference. It also means that there will be an underlying continuity even if we do require a few more managerial changes over the coming years.
But we will need to be patient. Over the last decade we have bounced in and out of top 4 without ever mounting a credible title challenge and this season we will probably wind up in 7th the same as Moyes' first season. All that in spite of over £1bn spent on players.
I would much rather a slow but steady and sustainable progression similar to the one achieved by Liverpool and Arsenal. We need to get back to the level where we are in the title race every year and poised to benefit if City slip up or have a bad year.
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Post by Tatty on Apr 24, 2024 7:17:20 GMT
Newcastle want |£15 mill for Ashworth. We're offering £2million.
Meet the new owners. Same as the old owners.
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Post by redcase on Apr 24, 2024 7:31:10 GMT
Newcastle want |£15 mill for Ashworth. We're offering £2million. Meet the new owners. Same as the old owners. Beat me to it lol. Our innermost worries, realised. Cherry on the cake would be us waiting for a whole year only chasing this one candidate, leaving the summer transfer in shambles, with this coach at the helm. |
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Post by alt on Apr 24, 2024 7:48:40 GMT
Newcastle want |£15 mill for Ashworth. We're offering £2million. Meet the new owners. Same as the old owners. Nah, fuck paying that. The old people in charge were heavily criticised for giving in and paying well over the odds so I'm all for ending that. With the approach and appointments so far, I've faith in how they'll handle this and the likelihood is, they'll eventually come to an agreement as Newcastle won't want to miss out on a fee. |
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Post by Chris on Apr 24, 2024 8:21:52 GMT
Newcastle want |£15 mill for Ashworth. We're offering £2million. Meet the new owners. Same as the old owners. Nah, fuck paying that. The old people in charge were heavily criticised for giving in and paying well over the odds so I'm all for ending that. With the approach and appointments so far, I've faith in how they'll handle this and the likelihood is, they'll eventually come to an agreement as Newcastle won't want to miss out on a fee. Agreed. £15m for a Sporting Director? At least meet in the middle. Newcastle taking the piss really considering they did the same to Brighton. We have limited funds and they may even have to pay off ETH yet. |
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Post by redcase on Apr 24, 2024 8:54:45 GMT
A mate of mine went for the clasico last week in the new Bernabeu.
He took some videos pre-game and post-game. That stadium is monumentally epic - especially the acoustics. I mention this here because if Jim has a plan for a new stadium or a renovation then he's got to look at how they've built theirs. The engineering amplifies stadium noise within, and when the roof is closed the sound could probably blow it straight open. Astounding. THE best run club in the history of the sport.
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Post by Tatty on Apr 24, 2024 9:02:45 GMT
Nah, fuck paying that. The old people in charge were heavily criticised for giving in and paying well over the odds so I'm all for ending that. With the approach and appointments so far, I've faith in how they'll handle this and the likelihood is, they'll eventually come to an agreement as Newcastle won't want to miss out on a fee. Agreed. £15m for a Sporting Director? At least meet in the middle. Newcastle taking the piss really considering they did the same to Brighton. We have limited funds and they may even have to pay off ETH yet. Don't disagree with either of you. Just the absolute disparity in valuation of compo reeks of Glazerism. |
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Post by redcase on Apr 24, 2024 9:03:49 GMT
Nah, fuck paying that. The old people in charge were heavily criticised for giving in and paying well over the odds so I'm all for ending that. With the approach and appointments so far, I've faith in how they'll handle this and the likelihood is, they'll eventually come to an agreement as Newcastle won't want to miss out on a fee. Agreed. £15m for a Sporting Director? At least meet in the middle. Newcastle taking the piss really considering they did the same to Brighton. We have limited funds and they may even have to pay off ETH yet. We've spent 100m on Antony, 60 on Mount, 60 on Onana. 15m spent on a sporting director with the authority to tell ten Hag to fuck off and not force the club's hand on shit players is a-okay. |
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Post by ratbag on Apr 24, 2024 9:11:45 GMT
Agreed. £15m for a Sporting Director? At least meet in the middle. Newcastle taking the piss really considering they did the same to Brighton. We have limited funds and they may even have to pay off ETH yet. Don't disagree with either of you. Just the absolute disparity in valuation of compo reeks of Glazerism. There’s definitely a ton of middle ground |
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Post by bushy1987 on Apr 24, 2024 9:12:05 GMT
We can't get ours pants pulled down by Newcastle but at the same time we have been wasting money on bad transfers in and out since moyes took over, something needs to change, they will come with a compromise though but it will probably drag on a little while.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 24, 2024 9:59:46 GMT
What is worrying is that officially his gardening leave supposedly runs until January 2026!
Surely paying £13m so we don't waste another £200m this summer is money well spent? Especially when you consider the alternatives:
1) Continuing to let the manager decide on targets (and as things stand that is Erik!)
2) SJR and Railsford as armchair football fans deciding to play Football Manager.
3) Wilcox running the show. But he's spent most of his career after retiring as a footballer as head of City's Academy and as DOF at Southampton he only oversaw about £30m of spending. As Erik puts it "a lot of experience in youth and 1 year at Southampton".
4) Letting Berra run the show. But most of his career he's been on the finance/operations side and City are a properly run football club that specialises so his involvement in actually deciding which players to buy would have been peripheral as City have Txixi running recruitment.
Perhaps some combination of 1)-4) will ensure enough checks and balances to get by this summer. But clearly sub-optimal to having Ashworth on board this summer running the show with Wilcox as his number 2 and the manager having input rather than control.
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