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Post by mightyez on Apr 24, 2024 10:12:56 GMT
A mate of mine went for the clasico last week in the new Bernabeu. He took some videos pre-game and post-game. That stadium is monumentally epic - especially the acoustics. I mention this here because if Jim has a plan for a new stadium or a renovation then he's got to look at how they've built theirs. The engineering amplifies stadium noise within, and when the roof is closed the sound could probably blow it straight open. Astounding. THE best run club in the history of the sport. They have been looking at that stadium extensively and the camp nou
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Post by mightyez on Apr 24, 2024 10:15:09 GMT
Newcastle want |£15 mill for Ashworth. We're offering £2million. Meet the new owners. Same as the old owners. Nah, fuck paying that. The old people in charge were heavily criticised for giving in and paying well over the odds so I'm all for ending that. With the approach and appointments so far, I've faith in how they'll handle this and the likelihood is, they'll eventually come to an agreement as Newcastle won't want to miss out on a fee. 100% I can’t get our fans sometimes. So because we have been stupid in the past, we should just continue? Gotta draw a line and stick to it, don’t cave in. The man is working, just not fully, Newcastle aren’t daft. As far as I am concerned they can keep paying him for the next 18 months whilst he works for Manchester United
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Post by Karma on Apr 24, 2024 10:44:02 GMT
So is Ashworth basically taking Arnold’s job ? Or is that the city guy ? Who’s replacing Murtough?
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Post by mightyez on Apr 24, 2024 10:53:39 GMT
So is Ashworth basically taking Arnold’s job ? Or is that the city guy ? Who’s replacing Murtough? The city guy is doing Arnold’s job. Ashworth taking murtough’s job
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Post by ratbag on Apr 24, 2024 12:20:24 GMT
What is worrying is that officially his gardening leave supposedly runs until January 2026! Surely paying £13m so we don't waste another £200m this summer is money well spent? Especially when you consider the alternatives: 1) Continuing to let the manager decide on targets (and as things stand that is Erik!) 2) SJR and Railsford as armchair football fans deciding to play Football Manager. 3) Wilcox running the show. But he's spent most of his career after retiring as a footballer as head of City's Academy and as DOF at Southampton he only oversaw about £30m of spending. As Erik puts it "a lot of experience in youth and 1 year at Southampton". 4) Letting Berra run the show. But most of his career he's been on the finance/operations side and City are a properly run football club that specialises so his involvement in actually deciding which players to buy would have been peripheral as City have Txixi running recruitment. Perhaps some combination of 1)-4) will ensure enough checks and balances to get by this summer. But clearly sub-optimal to having Ashworth on board this summer running the show with Wilcox as his number 2 and the manager having input rather than control. I’m sorry mate but if you think Ashworth is sitting at home and having no input to this summer’s recruitment then you are incredibly naive… It’s almost impossible to think of a scenario where he could be prevented from doing that…
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Post by redcase on Apr 24, 2024 12:34:06 GMT
What is worrying is that officially his gardening leave supposedly runs until January 2026! Surely paying £13m so we don't waste another £200m this summer is money well spent? Especially when you consider the alternatives: 1) Continuing to let the manager decide on targets (and as things stand that is Erik!) 2) SJR and Railsford as armchair football fans deciding to play Football Manager. 3) Wilcox running the show. But he's spent most of his career after retiring as a footballer as head of City's Academy and as DOF at Southampton he only oversaw about £30m of spending. As Erik puts it "a lot of experience in youth and 1 year at Southampton". 4) Letting Berra run the show. But most of his career he's been on the finance/operations side and City are a properly run football club that specialises so his involvement in actually deciding which players to buy would have been peripheral as City have Txixi running recruitment. Perhaps some combination of 1)-4) will ensure enough checks and balances to get by this summer. But clearly sub-optimal to having Ashworth on board this summer running the show with Wilcox as his number 2 and the manager having input rather than control. I’m sorry mate but if you think Ashworth is sitting at home and having no input to this summer’s recruitment then you are incredibly naive… It’s almost impossible to think of a scenario where he could be prevented from doing that… Can he attend meetings with other clubs and with United staff? Because he cannot, legally, do any of those things. So what would he do then? Send covert messages and emails to his future place of employment, while the employment isn't confirmed, to work on deals he has no legal business working on? The logistics of trying to work such a high profile job, while legally not being able to, is something nobody seems to be considering.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 24, 2024 13:22:36 GMT
Yeah there is a lot more to recruitment than texting us a shortlist of targets on a burner phone. And even if he was prepared to do that transfers are a committee decision so he would need to persuade the manager, INEOS, the CEO and everyone else involved to pursue those targets ahead of other targets which is difficult to do even if he contravened his gardening leave and worked for us in an unofficial capacity.
BTW Ashworth has been in this situation before. He had 9 months gardening leave at Brighton and after 4 months Newcastle paid and paid Brighton the compensation they wanted. Would Newcastle have done that if Ashworth had been working for them while on gardening leave?
Newcastle hold all the cards and £13m really isn't a lot of money and will pay for itself when Ashworth uses his experience to help us spend money a lot better this summer.
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Post by ratbag on Apr 24, 2024 15:30:29 GMT
I’m sorry mate but if you think Ashworth is sitting at home and having no input to this summer’s recruitment then you are incredibly naive… It’s almost impossible to think of a scenario where he could be prevented from doing that… Can he attend meetings with other clubs and with United staff? Because he cannot, legally, do any of those things. So what would he do then? Send covert messages and emails to his future place of employment, while the employment isn't confirmed, to work on deals he has no legal business working on? The logistics of trying to work such a high profile job, while legally not being able to, is something nobody seems to be considering. OK, a couple of things... Assuming they have an agreement for him to work for United at some future point, they could have something signed already... He could be getting paid or more likely be accruing payment until he officially begins work... There are myriad ways of communicating without having to physically attend meetings...but only within United...he doesn't necessarily need to meet with other clubs...Wilcox could do that, particularly if suitably briefed... I just don't see a circumstance where he is just sitting on his arse and not communicating with his future employers...
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Post by ratbag on Apr 24, 2024 15:33:07 GMT
Yeah there is a lot more to recruitment than texting us a shortlist of targets on a burner phone. And even if he was prepared to do that transfers are a committee decision so he would need to persuade the manager, INEOS, the CEO and everyone else involved to pursue those targets ahead of other targets which is difficult to do even if he contravened his gardening leave and worked for us in an unofficial capacity. BTW Ashworth has been in this situation before. He had 9 months gardening leave at Brighton and after 4 months Newcastle paid and paid Brighton the compensation they wanted. Would Newcastle have done that if Ashworth had been working for them while on gardening leave? Newcastle hold all the cards and £13m really isn't a lot of money and will pay for itself when Ashworth uses his experience to help us spend money a lot better this summer. I have explained above how he could hold / attend meetings without physically being there... However, I do think we should just make a serious offer and get him in asap... As you say, I believe that he will easily pay for himself with shrewd moves in the transfer market...
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Post by redcase on Apr 24, 2024 17:25:15 GMT
Can he attend meetings with other clubs and with United staff? Because he cannot, legally, do any of those things. So what would he do then? Send covert messages and emails to his future place of employment, while the employment isn't confirmed, to work on deals he has no legal business working on? The logistics of trying to work such a high profile job, while legally not being able to, is something nobody seems to be considering. OK, a couple of things... Assuming they have an agreement for him to work for United at some future point, they could have something signed already... He could be getting paid or more likely be accruing payment until he officially begins work... There are myriad ways of communicating without having to physically attend meetings...but only within United...he doesn't necessarily need to meet with other clubs...Wilcox could do that, particularly if suitably briefed... I just don't see a circumstance where he is just sitting on his arse and not communicating with his future employers... According to me, each and every thing you’ve mentioned opens the club to massive lawsuits. No documents can be signed with his new employer if his old employers contract is still running. This is as far as I know. If he is not legally working for his new employer, he cannot conduct business on his new employers behalf. This goes without saying imo. They’ll settle it though. That’s a given.
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Post by ratbag on Apr 24, 2024 21:10:26 GMT
OK, a couple of things... Assuming they have an agreement for him to work for United at some future point, they could have something signed already... He could be getting paid or more likely be accruing payment until he officially begins work... There are myriad ways of communicating without having to physically attend meetings...but only within United...he doesn't necessarily need to meet with other clubs...Wilcox could do that, particularly if suitably briefed... I just don't see a circumstance where he is just sitting on his arse and not communicating with his future employers... According to me, each and every thing you’ve mentioned opens the club to massive lawsuits. No documents can be signed with his new employer if his old employers contract is still running. This is as far as I know. If he is not legally working for his new employer, he cannot conduct business on his new employers behalf. This goes without saying imo. They’ll settle it though. That’s a given. Everything you have said is correct but I don’t believe for a minute that it isn’t happening…
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Post by Tatty on Apr 25, 2024 0:45:05 GMT
You can all rest assured Ashworth is doing as little work as Kenyon was…
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Post by Tatty on Apr 25, 2024 0:45:31 GMT
You can all rest assured Ashworth is doing as little work as Kenyon was… Hopefully this time, his big summer singing isn’t a gambling nonce.
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Post by anti_social on Apr 25, 2024 17:58:27 GMT
So Ashworth is taking Newcastle to arbitration to sort out his situation. Hopefully that speeds up the process and he arrives before 2026…
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Post by Stretty on Apr 25, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
So Ashworth is taking Newcastle to arbitration to sort out his situation. Hopefully that speeds up the process and he arrives before 2026… Even though frustrating it’s good that Ineos are showing we won’t be rolled over anymore.
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