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Post by viking22 on Jul 30, 2024 11:56:19 GMT
Biggest problem with Amrabat is he is SLOW. Less apparent in the international game or in Italy. But blindingly obvious in the Premier League. Rabiot makes a lot more sense. He's 29 but available on a free and we can give him a 3 year deal and he'd be useful to have in the squad.
Ugarte the question marks are over his passing ability. But he is efficient enough and we have Mainoo so there isn't the same need for a FDJ type defensive midfield playmaker. And besides under Ten Hag we aren't really a possession team we are a transition team and therefore having someone like Ugarte who can win the ball and shield the defence is what we need and he can probably do a similar job to the one Casemiro did for us in the 1st season.
And loan + obligation to buy seems a good workaround and that will mean that we can use what remains of our budget this year to buy another centre back e.g. De Ligt.
I imagine the sticking point is price. They want 70m euros. Understandably we feel that is too much. But hopefully a deal can get done.
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Post by seanie on Jul 30, 2024 12:24:01 GMT
I often think of the last great midfield we had in 2008 and the balance in that midfield. We've had some really good players since then but never the balance, technical ability and and energy. Ugarte is ideal for us and what's more important is we need more than one addition in midfield who can do it all! It needs a clear out and complete rebuild with several top additions. As I said before Chelsea spent 300m on rebuilding their midfield in one swoop. Arsenal spent 120M on Rice and looking at adding Ruiz and more this year. We could spend 100-120M only on two players to add to Kobbie, Mount and Bruno and get way more quality for it than what those teams spent. It's a fucking sham if we can't start that process with reasonable priced acquisitions this year. I'm sick of watching United get over run in midfield not shield the back four, not be physical enough and most important never able to hold the ball or beat the press and find a decent pass. It's so inconsistent because we have some very good flair players and can play some great football, but every team opens us up or runs through us. Here's a good breakdown of Ugarte That dribbling ability is another alluring aspect of his game. Ugarte is capable of skipping past opponents, often deep in his own half, to progress the ball up the pitch. During Sporting's run to the Europa League quarter-finals that year, only two of his team-mates, wingers Pote and Marcus Edwards, completed more take-ons.!!!!! In total 3-4 times more than Casemiro. Here's a full breakdown. www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13183322/kante-like-ball-winner-ugarte-could-help-shore-up-man-utd
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Post by seanie on Jul 30, 2024 12:35:13 GMT
If they want a player who has Pirlo like passing ability and can break the lines with passing then go and pay up for it! However they will still have issues in defense playing the way we do, without a player who can physically dominate the opposition high up and cover back and someone who can beat the first player and turn defense into attack/transition.
Casemiro and Amrabat are nowhere near that level of Athleticsm now and positioning now and neither are very good at beating a man when they win the ball or creating space, especially Amrabat.
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Post by Stew on Jul 30, 2024 13:09:13 GMT
Biggest problem with Amrabat is he is SLOW. Less apparent in the international game or in Italy. But blindingly obvious in the Premier League. Rabiot makes a lot more sense. He's 29 but available on a free and we can give him a 3 year deal and he'd be useful to have in the squad. Ugarte the question marks are over his passing ability. But he is efficient enough and we have Mainoo so there isn't the same need for a FDJ type defensive midfield playmaker. And besides under Ten Hag we aren't really a possession team we are a transition team and therefore having someone like Ugarte who can win the ball and shield the defence is what we need and he can probably do a similar job to the one Casemiro did for us in the 1st season. And loan + obligation to buy seems a good workaround and that will mean that we can use what remains of our budget this year to buy another centre back e.g. De Ligt. I imagine the sticking point is price. They want 70m euros. Understandably we feel that is too much. But hopefully a deal can get done. And he’s particularly slow on the turn, which is death in English football. I mentioned in the International thread how England need a player who is much more nimble on the ball than Rice if they want to win things. However Rice is like Scholes in comparison to Amrabat.
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Post by unitedsotex on Jul 30, 2024 13:37:39 GMT
my guess would be it will be a zero sum transfer and possibly gets Mazraoui on lower wages as well. Also don't know how getting rid of AWB effects the FPP though You’d have to hope there’s intelligent thought behind the reasoning. I like AWB, he has his flaws but is an awesome defender and always puts a shift in and doesn’t stir the pot behind the scenes. If it was the old guard making the transfer... not a thought behind the their eyes. This new group has given me hope to believe so as they have been very smarty and bullish in transfers so far.
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Post by seanie on Jul 30, 2024 13:47:55 GMT
FFP and the regs are making this window into a game of poker for some of the big clubs. We clearly need to shift players, use amortization or frees but it's frustrating and amazing how little interest or cash we get for players.
How can they not sell Pellestri for example? He just played every game to the semis in a decent Uruguay team and yet Villa can sell Mousa Diaby for 60M
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Post by DedRevil on Jul 30, 2024 21:11:01 GMT
Not helpful now,but yay.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Jul 30, 2024 23:05:02 GMT
His numbers for the U-18s were insane and greatly exceeded Greenwood’s production at the same age. This is potentially a major coup.
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Post by unitedsotex on Jul 30, 2024 23:54:39 GMT
His numbers for the U-18s were insane and greatly exceeded Greenwood’s production at the same age. This is potentially a major coup. He had a number of big clubs chasing him. Bayern, Chelsea, Us, and Liverpool. I'm taking this is a victory with a side of lets see if he makes it to the Big Boy Squad and shows why we chased after him. Also saw this. Looks like we are stocking the talent pool with studs
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Post by viking22 on Jul 31, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
INEOS are sensibly taking a long view. With FFP restrictions it is massively helpful if you can refresh your squad not just with new signings but youngsters coming through the ranks. And we have restored our reputation as the place for youngsters to make their names with the emergence of Mainoo and Garnacho and their FA Cup final heroics. So we should absolutely be going head to head with other big clubs for the brightest teenage prospects. And they may be only teenagers now but wonderkids can often break into the first team at a very young age.....18, 19, 20 .....so we may only need to wait a few years before we see the benefit to the first team squad.
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Post by Stew on Jul 31, 2024 8:14:45 GMT
AWB to West Ham pretty much done apparently.
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Post by alt on Jul 31, 2024 9:14:09 GMT
We really need to be bringing in two CM's. Ugarte and Zubimendi would be ideal. Casemiro and McTominay should both be binned.
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Post by bushy1987 on Jul 31, 2024 9:27:31 GMT
I think soon as Scotty moves once Fulham make their supposed bid will should then see a cm come on pretty sharpish I would imagine, also great to see some highly rated youths joining too. The future definitely looks a lot brighter, but we all knew this was a slow burn and would take a few years to sort out 20 years off mess.
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Post by mightyez on Jul 31, 2024 10:53:17 GMT
I'd settle for Ugarte and Rabiot. Casemiro and Eriksen would be my preference to leave before MCT. Not saying he is anything special but the lad has a great attitude and at present offers more than those 2. If they all left I wouldn't cry so far as 2 mids came in
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Post by viking22 on Jul 31, 2024 11:04:31 GMT
Ugarte and Rabiot is the most realistic and would give us a lot better options in midfield. Ugarte is a classic midfield destroyer. Rabiot can play as a number 6 and a number 8 and will help us control midfield a lot better and will bring a huge amount of experience. Rounding off our midfield options we have Bruno and Mount capable of playing in more advanced roles and we also have Zirzkee capable of playing as a number 10. So we do not really need Scotty and while would be nice to have him as an impact sub with his knack at scoring late goals unfortunately with FFP we need to balance the books and we should be able to get £30m pure profit for him. Eriksen we are trying to shift but with the wages he is on we will be lucky to get £5m and only the Saudis can afford Casemiro's wages and we do not seem to be able to get a deal done.
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