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Post by safariRed on Apr 5, 2024 9:01:09 GMT
I’ve said for years there’s no point us sacking a manager as it won’t change anything etc and I do loathe the idea of these players continuously outlasting and ruining decent men. However, given we are now trying to develop a proper structure at the club, we need to cut ties at the end of the season and start afresh. This manager is probably better than what we’ve seen this season and the players have done him no favours. But is he going to get us back to the very top table? I think we can all agree that we’ve seen enough to say that, no, he is not capable of that. And if we’re going to be a serious club again, that is literally all that matters. Might as well hang onto him until May. He has won us a cup competition and he’ll have the chance to make that two. Agree with your points except sacking ETH. Getting rid of him would just give these players more time than they deserve and set us back again, we've just come out of a trophy drought and could possibly win the FA Cup despite the players best efforts to sabotage the season. For e.g Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years and only started seeing the transformation after 3 years of pure garbage. He had time and the club moved a lot of players around to get the solid mix they have now. We can't do that with a revolving door of managers. What are the REAL options anyway if we sack ETH? |
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Post by Stew on Apr 5, 2024 9:14:15 GMT
He’s an outstanding prospect. For some baffling reason this guy keeps saying he’s not good enough. He’s played about 4 fucking games. I've liked him so far. I don't understand what he's done wrong. Maybe it's just heat of the moment. Not the first time he’s done it unfortunately. Very strange carry on. |
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Post by Karma on Apr 5, 2024 9:31:07 GMT
Even the worst of the worst previous managers didn’t manage to rack up 12 PL defeats in one season and we still have to go to Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton away.
Knowing these scabs though we’ll probably beat Arsenal and give Liverpool the title.
We’ve been here before with these players (with different players) underperforming. Remember beating City away and then getting embarrassed by West Brom a week later.
Not sure any other previous manager would get cut the same slack with these results this season. His in game management is worse than Ole’s.
That should be a sackable offence alone.
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Post by johnboy14 on Apr 5, 2024 9:48:30 GMT
I’ve said for years there’s no point us sacking a manager as it won’t change anything etc and I do loathe the idea of these players continuously outlasting and ruining decent men. However, given we are now trying to develop a proper structure at the club, we need to cut ties at the end of the season and start afresh. This manager is probably better than what we’ve seen this season and the players have done him no favours. But is he going to get us back to the very top table? I think we can all agree that we’ve seen enough to say that, no, he is not capable of that. And if we’re going to be a serious club again, that is literally all that matters. Might as well hang onto him until May. He has won us a cup competition and he’ll have the chance to make that two. Agree with your points except sacking ETH. Getting rid of him would just give these players more time than they deserve and set us back again, we've just come out of a trophy drought and could possibly win the FA Cup despite the players best efforts to sabotage the season. For e.g Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years and only started seeing the transformation after 3 years of pure garbage. He had time and the club moved a lot of players around to get the solid mix they have now. We can't do that with a revolving door of managers. What are the REAL options anyway if we sack ETH? I don't think he's good enough tactically. Yes our players are complete charlatans and the injuries are shocking but I think a mass clearout is badly needed. Coaching and background staff need turfed out pronto aswell as a player firesale. Nobody at this club should be spared with what we've seen this season. Casemiro didn't behave like this at Real but he's allowed to at this club. It's ridiculous. |
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Post by Paul on Apr 5, 2024 11:18:01 GMT
No excuses for it but the standard of refereeing is appalling, last night showed it.
First pen wasn't a pen, wasn't even properly reviewed. Silly from Antony but never enough to go down.
8 minutes added on, from where? They scored in the 99th and 101st minute.
The 2nd penalty was a complete joke. Footage reviewed and still they couldn't tell no contact was made. Again daft from Dalot but it was a dive.
This seems to he a reoccurring theme with us this season. Lost count the amount of times we've been fucked over by officials.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Apr 5, 2024 11:18:26 GMT
We have the dumbest squad in the league and that’s been the case now for several years. Whoever we bring in as manager is not going to turn this around until there is a massive clear out. We’ve had this discussion every season and it’s always the same outcome, you can only argue that 5 to 6 players should stay the rest can be sold. At this stage, the only players I’d keep are Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Onana, Martinez and Dalot.
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Post by Kojak on Apr 5, 2024 13:00:49 GMT
I’ve said for years there’s no point us sacking a manager as it won’t change anything etc and I do loathe the idea of these players continuously outlasting and ruining decent men. However, given we are now trying to develop a proper structure at the club, we need to cut ties at the end of the season and start afresh. This manager is probably better than what we’ve seen this season and the players have done him no favours. But is he going to get us back to the very top table? I think we can all agree that we’ve seen enough to say that, no, he is not capable of that. And if we’re going to be a serious club again, that is literally all that matters. Might as well hang onto him until May. He has won us a cup competition and he’ll have the chance to make that two. Agree with your points except sacking ETH. Getting rid of him would just give these players more time than they deserve and set us back again, we've just come out of a trophy drought and could possibly win the FA Cup despite the players best efforts to sabotage the season. For e.g Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years and only started seeing the transformation after 3 years of pure garbage. He had time and the club moved a lot of players around to get the solid mix they have now. We can't do that with a revolving door of managers. What are the REAL options anyway if we sack ETH? Like I say, I’ve always been against sacking the manager, partly for the reason you’ve outlined there. However I don’t believe this manager is going to take us to the top. You knew after two years the kind of football Arteta was trying to play. We’re still clueless about what United are trying to do. That’s quite damning really. If we’re getting serious as a footballing operation again, there’s just no point keeping people on if they’re not capable of taking us all the way. Ten Hag doesn’t have the ability to win a club the Premier League, it’s just obvious now. Not even saying he’s a bad manager really. But if we’re getting serious, we need more than that. This is all with the caveat that a lot of these players need to fuck off too. So they’re not outlasting the manager, they’re collectively in the bin. |
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Post by seanie on Apr 5, 2024 13:40:02 GMT
I’ve said for years there’s no point us sacking a manager as it won’t change anything etc and I do loathe the idea of these players continuously outlasting and ruining decent men. However, given we are now trying to develop a proper structure at the club, we need to cut ties at the end of the season and start afresh. This manager is probably better than what we’ve seen this season and the players have done him no favours. But is he going to get us back to the very top table? I think we can all agree that we’ve seen enough to say that, no, he is not capable of that. And if we’re going to be a serious club again, that is literally all that matters. Might as well hang onto him until May. He has won us a cup competition and he’ll have the chance to make that two. Agree with your points except sacking ETH. Getting rid of him would just give these players more time than they deserve and set us back again, we've just come out of a trophy drought and could possibly win the FA Cup despite the players best efforts to sabotage the season. For e.g Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years and only started seeing the transformation after 3 years of pure garbage. He had time and the club moved a lot of players around to get the solid mix they have now. We can't do that with a revolving door of managers. What are the REAL options anyway if we sack ETH? Exactly and I don't think you can ignore the injury chaos. We haven't had any version of a settled midfield or center backs or full backs and the forwards are very young and still inexperienced with just one striker in the squad. The main criticism of Ten Hag and those around him, is a poorly planned window, but even that is somewhat unlucky with injuries to Mainoo at the start and Mount and Hojlund, who was always going to take time. Martinez and Lindelof injured again. Varane wasn't fit and had to come off and Johnny Evans lasted 20 minutes. Casemiro is managing a hamstring and wouldn't even get into any sort of sprint last night! I'm not even sure Mainoo is developed enough to last a full 90 minutes at this stage of the season. I don't think Mount did badly when he came on last night. He was pressing well and got in their face and they were keeping the ball well near their box and we looked in control, but the on field decision making was poor and naive from the team. They were calling for Arteta to get the sack too and he had horrendous run of results in season 2. Arsenal were 8th, 8th and 5th in his first 3 years! |
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Post by seanie on Apr 5, 2024 13:49:02 GMT
My guess is he will be gone at the end of the season, because we are not getting CL football, but I'd be careful what you wish for with this lot. They have no track record of success yet anyway and exactly who will take the job. De Zerbi, Potter, Southgate?
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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 5, 2024 13:49:55 GMT
This is what happens when you have absolute shit defenders closing out a match.... We are starting the match with injured players, subbing them off for another injured player, 20 minutes later sub him off for 18yr old that's not good enough to be on the pitch, you have a RB playing LB because we have no LB's because our medical team ran by clowns, the RB playing LB can't defend for his life because he works on his SHOOTING rather how to tackle! The second penalty was softer than the first one that was given. The bald nunce of a manager allowed these bumbling idiots drop pack and absorb pressure for 30 minutes hoping we could keep the ball out of the back the net..... which lets face was never gonna happen. The injuries have reached a level of absurdity because we literally have 2 players at CB available for Liverpool on Sunday that can actually walk without pulling something. Fucking fire them all. This isn’t the first time you’ve taken a potshot at Kambwala for some reason. You seem to have gotten it into your head that he isn’t good enough based on absolutely nothing, unless you’re watching a lot of reserve team football, which I very much doubt. It’s utterly bizarre and I wish you’d stop. Also, not sure I’d call Ten Hag a child sex offender on an open forum either. If you don't like my opinion on a player then, then get over it. From what I've seen he isn't good enough until I see something different my opinion stays the same. Also this is the first I've taken a shot at him any other time I've mentioned him it's in terms of the manager might not rate him. I apologize for using incorrect term, my understanding of nunce was wrong. I thought it meant dumb similar to dunce in the US. I will refrain from using it. |
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Post by Stew on Apr 5, 2024 13:56:52 GMT
This isn’t the first time you’ve taken a potshot at Kambwala for some reason. You seem to have gotten it into your head that he isn’t good enough based on absolutely nothing, unless you’re watching a lot of reserve team football, which I very much doubt. It’s utterly bizarre and I wish you’d stop. Also, not sure I’d call Ten Hag a child sex offender on an open forum either. If you don't like my opinion on a player then, then get over it. From what I've seen he isn't good enough until I see something different my opinion stays the same. Also this is the first I've taken a shot at him any other time I've mentioned him it's in terms of the manager might not rate him. I apologize for using incorrect term, my understanding of nunce was wrong. I thought it meant dumb similar to dunce in the US. I will refrain from using it. So in the 146 minutes he’s played for the club, you’ve deduced that a 19 year old isn’t good enough? That seems perfectly well-balanced and thought out. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 5, 2024 14:01:36 GMT
If you don't like my opinion on a player then, then get over it. From what I've seen he isn't good enough until I see something different my opinion stays the same. Also this is the first I've taken a shot at him any other time I've mentioned him it's in terms of the manager might not rate him. I apologize for using incorrect term, my understanding of nunce was wrong. I thought it meant dumb similar to dunce in the US. I will refrain from using it. So in the 146 minutes he’s played for the club, you’ve deduced that a 19 year old isn’t good enough? That seems perfectly well-balanced and thought out. Again my opinion, you don't like it I don't know what you tell you except that's your personal problem. Doesn't mean he won't turn into a good defender with age but right now he's not good enough and I am ok with being proven wrong by him. |
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Post by Stew on Apr 5, 2024 14:36:05 GMT
So in the 146 minutes he’s played for the club, you’ve deduced that a 19 year old isn’t good enough? That seems perfectly well-balanced and thought out. Again my opinion, you don't like it I don't know what you tell you except that's your personal problem. Doesn't mean he won't turn into a good defender with age but right now he's not good enough and I am ok with being proven wrong by him. I’m genuinely curious- how have you arrived at that opinion? In the minutes he’s played, which is less than 2 games in total? Let’s hear it. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 5, 2024 14:55:27 GMT
Again my opinion, you don't like it I don't know what you tell you except that's your personal problem. Doesn't mean he won't turn into a good defender with age but right now he's not good enough and I am ok with being proven wrong by him. I’m genuinely curious- how have you arrived at that opinion? In the minutes he’s played, which is less than 2 games in total? Let’s hear it. Why does it matter to you so much. a bit obsessed about it. |
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Post by Stew on Apr 5, 2024 14:59:29 GMT
I’m genuinely curious- how have you arrived at that opinion? In the minutes he’s played, which is less than 2 games in total? Let’s hear it. Why does it matter to you so much. a bit obsessed about it. Not obsessed, just curious as to how a Utd fan can arrive at the notion that a home-grown talent ‘isn’t good enough’ despite less than 150 minutes for the first team. So, as before, how have you come to this? |
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