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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 14:48:59 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 13, 2024 14:48:59 GMT
Apples and oranges. Under erik we had our worst domestic season in over 20 years. Southgate is Englands most successful manager in 60 years. Just the fact you’re comparing the two kind of validates my point lol. Most successful? What's he won? All the other managers since 66 won exactly the same amount of tournaments he has. He's just had more cracks at it and still failed. He’s taken a team that was knocked out by Iceland and is now in his 2nd final after a 55 year drought. He’s our most successful manager since 66 no matter how you spin it and is 90 mins away from potentially delivering a trophy. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jul 13, 2024 14:51:53 GMT
Most successful? What's he won? All the other managers since 66 won exactly the same amount of tournaments he has. He's just had more cracks at it and still failed. He’s taken a team that was knocked out by Iceland and is now in his 2nd final after a 55 year drought. He’s our most successful manager since 66 no matter how you spin it and is 90 mins away from potentially delivering a trophy. Hopefully he does, and then he will be. Otherwise he's Arteta, with less trophies and shitter football. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Jul 13, 2024 14:59:00 GMT
Ultimately, who fucking cares? People are entitled to be as into the national side as they choose.
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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 15:12:14 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 13, 2024 15:12:14 GMT
Ultimately, who fucking cares? People are entitled to be as into the national side as they choose. Correct and if they choose to revel in it when England are losing they can expect to be called out when they win… seems fair to me |
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Post by DedRevil on Jul 13, 2024 15:17:22 GMT
Ultimately, who fucking cares? People are entitled to be as into the national side as they choose. Correct and if they choose to revel in it when England are losing they can expect to be called out when they win… seems fair to me HA! Self anointed England football police, you go after that one post a few pages back buddy. viking22, brace yourself if we win |
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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 15:19:42 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 13, 2024 15:19:42 GMT
Correct and if they choose to revel in it when England are losing they can expect to be called out when they win… seems fair to me HA! Self anointed England football police, you go after that one post a few pages back buddy. viking22, brace yourself if we win Get those tweets ready if we lose pal. Based on your reform vote i can work out who you will be targeting. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jul 13, 2024 15:23:07 GMT
HA! Self anointed England football police, you go after that one post a few pages back buddy. viking22 , brace yourself if we win Get those tweets ready if we lose pal. Based on your reform vote i can work out who you will be targeting. yes yes, i shall be targeting anyone who's not white, you absolute cunt. It'll be the manager btw, same as it's always been. again though, just to clarify, you're a cunt. no bias, specifically you. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jul 13, 2024 15:24:54 GMT
better things to do than this, cya
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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 15:28:18 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 13, 2024 15:28:18 GMT
Get those tweets ready if we lose pal. Based on your reform vote i can work out who you will be targeting. yes yes, i shall be targeting anyone who's not white, you absolute cunt. It'll be the manager btw, same as it's always been. again though, just to clarify, you're a cunt. no bias, specifically you. Calm down Tommy Robinson |
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Post by Stew on Jul 13, 2024 15:28:27 GMT
Gentlemen, please. Seems a very peculiar thing to be arguing about.
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Post by redcase on Jul 13, 2024 18:23:25 GMT
Most successful? What's he won? All the other managers since 66 won exactly the same amount of tournaments he has. He's just had more cracks at it and still failed. He’s taken a team that was knocked out by Iceland and is now in his 2nd final after a 55 year drought. He’s our most successful manager since 66 no matter how you spin it and is 90 mins away from potentially delivering a trophy. 1. It’s not the same side. It’s a completely different side populated by some of the most talented young footballers in England’s history. That side in 2016 was abject. 2. Getting to finals is not a measure of success - it is expected, considering the talent at his disposal. 3. By your logic, Eric, having won 2 finals he’s been in, should be getting a 5 year contract rather than the one year extension he’s been given. 4. Southgate is a pathetically boring manager who has gotten results in spite of his ineptitude, rather than merit. Like I said, with this squad he’s got, he can and should be doing IMMENSELY better. |
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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 18:32:24 GMT
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Post by smithy2 on Jul 13, 2024 18:32:24 GMT
He’s taken a team that was knocked out by Iceland and is now in his 2nd final after a 55 year drought. He’s our most successful manager since 66 no matter how you spin it and is 90 mins away from potentially delivering a trophy. 1. It’s not the same side. It’s a completely different side populated by some of the most talented young footballers in England’s history. That side in 2016 was abject. 2. Getting to finals is not a measure of success - it is expected, considering the talent at his disposal. 3. By your logic, Eric, having won 2 finals he’s been in, should be getting a 5 year contract rather than the one year extension he’s been given. 4. Southgate is a pathetically boring manager who has gotten results in spite of his ineptitude, rather than merit. Like I said, with this squad he’s got, he can and should be doing IMMENSELY better. Again comparing Ten Hag to southgate is genuinely mental. We just had our worst domestic season in over two decades. As for the side in 2016 being different to his current one yeh obviously. But then the side he got to a World Cup semi with in 2018 is also completely different to this current side. You can argue all day about style but at the end of the day Southgate has got results with different players, different systems in different tournaments. |
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Post by Kojak on Jul 13, 2024 18:38:12 GMT
The squad he inherited, nobody expected to make any waves going into the 2018 World Cup.
However the quality of the squad since then has improved massively. Either through the players from 2018 kicking on and improving, or new, better players coming in. You’d expect this team to be doing well now. Justifiably amongst the favourites before the tournament.
I think if the argument is don’t be giving England grief all tournament, then jump on the bandwagon when there’s a final to be played, then that’s fair.
If it’s more that everyone here who is from England should be supporting England then that’s not really fair I don’t think. United fans have never really had a good relationship with England, certainly not in my lifetime. Would need someone else to speak on what it was like prior to the mid 80’s.
Either way, please don’t start a fucking ruck on here over this, it’s not worth it.
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Euro 24
Jul 13, 2024 18:46:50 GMT
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 13, 2024 18:46:50 GMT
1. It’s not the same side. It’s a completely different side populated by some of the most talented young footballers in England’s history. That side in 2016 was abject. 2. Getting to finals is not a measure of success - it is expected, considering the talent at his disposal. 3. By your logic, Eric, having won 2 finals he’s been in, should be getting a 5 year contract rather than the one year extension he’s been given. 4. Southgate is a pathetically boring manager who has gotten results in spite of his ineptitude, rather than merit. Like I said, with this squad he’s got, he can and should be doing IMMENSELY better. Again comparing Ten Hag to southgate is genuinely mental. We just had our worst domestic season in over two decades. As for the side in 2016 being different to his current one yeh obviously. But then the side he got to a World Cup semi with in 2018 is also completely different to this current side. You can argue all day about style but at the end of the day Southgate has got results with different players, different systems in different tournaments. I think this is the weakest International scene in many a moon. Other than Spain most of the big nations are bang average. England will never have a better opportunity to win something. The Dutch played like Stoke the other night and their best player is a CB. Tells you everything. |
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Euro 24
Jul 14, 2024 9:15:37 GMT
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Jul 14, 2024 9:15:37 GMT
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