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Post by harvindhillon on Sept 2, 2024 10:46:41 GMT
I think that is harsh. He was highly rated in the Inter team and to be honest back end of last season he was much better than he started. Let's not forget how bad De Gea was when he joined, I am sure everyone wanted VDS out of retirement at that point. I think the only mate that got the job based on reference is Antony. He was hardly lighting the Eredivisie on fire was he.
This is a nonsense equivalence. Nonsense to you but I do remember everyone questioning DDG at the time if he was good enough for the physicality in the Premier League, everyone was targeting him at corners. It's easy to say now that's nonsense after he turned out to be a gem.
Anyway dont want to be going around the same bush, I think it is clear its not working and its down to the manager to sort it out. Final fault is with him. Now I would love it that we click somehow as I have backed the man, but it is starting to look unlikely.
Our squad is thin and being backed up by youngsters, any injuries we will be back to square one on any progress made. 9/10 transfer window, but looks like we need 3-4 of those. Problems are everywhere, depressing.
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Post by anti_social on Sept 2, 2024 11:53:03 GMT
What really fills me with dread is the thought of ETH breaking Kobbie with his insane midfield set-up before someone finally pulls the trigger and puts an end to this madness.
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Post by safariRed on Sept 2, 2024 11:54:34 GMT
He needs more time. The form will come.
How many more years will be needed to get this form to show?
Can't say for sure , but I think we'll see an improved side this season, better than anything changing a manager halfway through a season can get us. |
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Post by Karma on Sept 2, 2024 11:57:52 GMT
How many more years will be needed to get this form to show?
Can't say for sure , but I think we'll see an improved side this season, better than anything changing a manager halfway through a season can get us. Other big clubs do it successfully so why does this one insist on dragging out this horror.. Either gross stupidity or arrogance. Pick and mix. |
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 2, 2024 12:01:27 GMT
Can't say for sure , but I think we'll see an improved side this season, better than anything changing a manager halfway through a season can get us. Other big clubs do it successfully so why does this one insist on dragging out this horror.. Either gross stupidity or arrogance. Pick and mix. next two games are vital for ETH |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 2, 2024 12:13:48 GMT
"And if you see Manuel Ugarte, he didn't play so far in the season. Not one match minute. So he needs to build his fitness rate and then we have to build him in the team and I am sure he will contribute to our level and he will be an important player but that will take a couple of weeks, maybe even months!"
This from Erik is part of the problem. Only a few months ago Ugarte was bossing it in the Copa America. But apparently because he enjoyed a month off it could take months to get him up to speed!
As someone else was saying the transition style he wants to play seems to demand incredible fitness from players. That probably contributes to all the injuries and if players are tired from unnecessary running around all game of course they are more prone to making careless mistakes. Crazy really because we are starting to assemble a squad that can actually play controlled possession based football. And if people think this is impossible Louis Van Gaal with a far inferior squad got us playing exactly that.
INEOS need to ask themselves if this is the style of football they want and if it isn't then ditch Erik pronto and find someone who can.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 2, 2024 12:16:26 GMT
Tuchel might be easier to convince now that INEOS have shown how effective they can be in the transfer window. But style of play is the issue. I would rather just have Ruud as a caretaker manager for the rest of the season and then next summer line up a manager who shares the philosophy INEOS have of how they want to play long term (which I imagine given Wilcox spent a lot of time at Manchester City probably would be more possession based).
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 2, 2024 12:21:30 GMT
"And if you see Manuel Ugarte, he didn't play so far in the season. Not one match minute. So he needs to build his fitness rate and then we have to build him in the team and I am sure he will contribute to our level and he will be an important player but that will take a couple of weeks, maybe even months!" This from Erik is part of the problem. Only a few months ago Ugarte was bossing it in the Copa America. But apparently because he enjoyed a month off it could take months to get him up to speed! As someone else was saying the transition style he wants to play seems to demand incredible fitness from players. That probably contributes to all the injuries and if players are tired from unnecessary running around all game of course they are more prone to making careless mistakes. Crazy really because we are starting to assemble a squad that can actually play controlled possession based football. And if people think this is impossible Louis Van Gaal with a far inferior squad got us playing exactly that. INEOS need to ask themselves if this is the style of football they want and if it isn't then ditch Erik pronto and find someone who can. There is no transitional play. If fitness was the issue, you still see it in action for long periods of the game. I think the players are making it up as they go. There's no system of play on display at this club. We rely on individual performances. |
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Post by dsilvaxx2 on Sept 2, 2024 12:35:02 GMT
LvG- possession without penetration was some boring ass football. 10 sideways passes and ignoring the attacking runs was painful to watch. No thank you to that style. What made me love UTD, was the attacking football and the runs from the fullbacks and wingers. Exciting to watch and the way to play the game to me.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 2, 2024 13:12:20 GMT
Absolutely agree with that, I do not want Southgate. Just making the point that even he knows how to organise a team. You’d assume they’d go back and try to convince Tuchel again if ETH gets the boot. His football is turd as well. But there’s nobody viable out there who seems to offer an acceptable middle-ground. |
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Post by kingkobbie on Sept 2, 2024 13:23:09 GMT
There absolutely is transitional play. It’s Casemiro giving the ball away in our own half and the opposition scoring 10 seconds later.
I’m not saying ETH should stay but that’s not his fault.
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Post by redcase on Sept 2, 2024 13:29:24 GMT
You’d assume they’d go back and try to convince Tuchel again if ETH gets the boot. His football is turd as well. But there’s nobody viable out there who seems to offer an acceptable middle-ground. On 25th May after winning the FA Cup, Ratcliffe should have relieved him of his duties. It was never going to get better than that and he should have left on a high. Flick was available, and signed with Barcelona on 30th May. Looking at how the league season was collapsing, Ratcliffe should have made up his mind long before the FA Cup final. Motta was also available - a man with fresh ideas and modern attacking football. Motta signed with Juventus on June 12th. Terzic left Dortmund on June 13th, even he was considerable for this job. Far left field even Ruben Amorim could be approached. Scousers signed their manager before the league even ended. For a man with a plan that was a shocking succumb to emotion from Ratcliffe. |
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Post by redcase on Sept 2, 2024 13:32:52 GMT
There absolutely is transitional play. It’s Casemiro giving the ball away in our own half and the opposition scoring 10 seconds later. I’m not saying ETH should stay but that’s not his fault. What did we do when we had the ball? Casemiro is trash and his mistakes led to the goals scored - agreed. What the fuck did we do to try and score? There was never a single spell in the game where we looked like we had a goal in us. Even when they scored was there ever a moment when we looked like getting one back? That's why this coach is past his sell-by date and needs to get gone. |
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Post by Kojak on Sept 2, 2024 13:42:26 GMT
Must be a bit demoralising for the players (the few who care) to have struggled last season and then to come back and have the same management and ideas.
You can see why he’s spent on the two from Bayern, especially someone vocal like De Ligt, because he’s going to need people in the camp who will back him. He’s probably out of favour by now with the other twenty players we’ve got who he coached at Ajax.
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Post by Paul on Sept 2, 2024 14:28:44 GMT
Been thinking this for a while aswell but I honestly don't think Bruno should have the armband either. Absolutely love the guy and it's nothing against him.
But for me we need a leader on the pitch that will organise those around him. Especially from the back where the organisation is completely out of sync atm. Don't think Bruno does enough of that. Do think Licha would be a better option. Think having the armband will give him the voice to do that.
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