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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2024 8:22:37 GMT
Spurs, Porto and Villa are our next 3 fixtures. If I were Ruud I’d be sending the club blazer to the dry cleaners… At this rate it wouldn't be the worst idea. Ruud isn’t some former player getting a gig for nostalgia. He won the Dutch cup as manager of PSV and came runner up in the league. He’s a legit option as caretaker if Tuchel decides against it. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 26, 2024 8:38:15 GMT
At this rate it wouldn't be the worst idea. Ruud isn’t some former player getting a gig for nostalgia. He won the Dutch cup as manager of PSV and came runner up in the league. He’s a legit option as caretaker if Tuchel decides against it. Alluded to same a while back, I'd legit get behind Ruud - even for him to keep the job permanently if he performs well - when Ten Hag is eventually sacked. Inevitable he'll be caretaker when this happens. |
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Post by Stew on Sept 26, 2024 8:53:05 GMT
Ruud isn’t some former player getting a gig for nostalgia. He won the Dutch cup as manager of PSV and came runner up in the league. He’s a legit option as caretaker if Tuchel decides against it. Alluded to same a while back, I'd legit get behind Ruud - even for him to keep the job permanently if he performs well - when Ten Hag is eventually sacked. Inevitable he'll be caretaker when this happens. 100%. And I’d expect the guys in charge to not allow emotions to sway a decision on his full-time appointment, a la PSG and Ole. |
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Post by caino on Sept 26, 2024 8:53:23 GMT
At this rate it wouldn't be the worst idea. Ruud isn’t some former player getting a gig for nostalgia. He won the Dutch cup as manager of PSV and came runner up in the league. He’s a legit option as caretaker if Tuchel decides against it. How did he compare to Slot ? |
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Post by Paul on Sept 26, 2024 9:03:58 GMT
At this rate it wouldn't be the worst idea. Ruud isn’t some former player getting a gig for nostalgia. He won the Dutch cup as manager of PSV and came runner up in the league. He’s a legit option as caretaker if Tuchel decides against it. I meant to put the shirt on and play 😂 |
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 26, 2024 9:44:16 GMT
I've settled myself because it's going to take years to fix this mess. Football in general is bloody boring now primarily because of coaches like Ten Hag. It isn't at all. We're not far away from having a very good first eleven/squad, we're just stuck with a manager who's generally fucking useless and can't get a tune out of them. Don't see it this way. We're nowhere near it in my opinion. Ten Hag will probably get sacked, we'll get a bounce but the same garbage in this squad will ultimately let us down again. These owners need to flush alot of players out, get a better coach and build for long term success based on young hungry players. They know the culture is broken and they're atleast looking at fixing the training ground instead of just spending daft money on maybes. We've never been through a proper rebuild in my opinion. I always knew the mistakes made by Woodward would haunt us for years and unfortunately its panning out that way. |
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Post by alt on Sept 26, 2024 10:02:27 GMT
It isn't at all. We're not far away from having a very good first eleven/squad, we're just stuck with a manager who's generally fucking useless and can't get a tune out of them. Don't see it this way. We're nowhere near it in my opinion. Ten Hag will probably get sacked, we'll get a bounce but the same garbage in this squad will ultimately let us down again. These owners need to flush alot of players out, get a better coach and build for long term success based on young hungry players. They know the culture is broken and they're atleast looking at fixing the training ground instead of just spending daft money on maybes. We've never been through a proper rebuild in my opinion. I always knew the mistakes made by Woodward would haunt us for years and unfortunately its panning out that way. Fair enough. Personally, I think we had a good summer - we targeted the right types of players (young, potential etc), whilst shifting a lot of deadwood. Another summer of that where we get rid of the likes of Maguire, Antony, Casemiro (hopefully Rashford and Bruno as well) and we'll be in a good place. We've already seen what other lesser (supposedly but clearly not the case) managers have done with teams with far fewer resources in the PL, so I still do believe that with the right coach, we'll start to see considerable and consistent improvement. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 26, 2024 10:20:30 GMT
I don't think we are a million miles away.
The manager is clearly holding us back with his tactics and man management. I'd be keen on appointing Ruud as a caretaker manager just to see how our players do with another manager with a different approach. If we stick to Erik until next summer then the players will get another chance under a new manager. Whereas if they don't perform for Ruud or Erik then it is easier to conclude they are the problem and need moving on.
This summer was the FIRST transfer window with INEOS running the show. They prioritized defence and we added 3 defenders, a defensive midfielder and a backup striker. And we have already seen some improvements in defence this season and we have more depth.
Next summer you'd imagine we'd prioritize attack. And if we can add similar quality to our defensive additions this summer it will make a big difference.
And attack is very much a work in progress. Amad and Garnacho have great potential but the end product isn't always there. Zirzkee links up very well and creates chances but as a striker he needs to add goals to his game. Hojlund has a fantastic shot conversion rate and an incredible work rate but what's the use if he doesn't get the right service. Rashford is showing signs of improvement this year but he'll always be a confidence player and needs to focus on his football. Bruno is a potential matchwinner but needs to be more influential over the course of games especially when things aren't going to plan.
Would be interesting to see what Ruud could do with our attack and whether he can help it find the right balance and unlock its potential. But I suspect we probably do need to sign a winger and another striker in the summer and that might make all the difference.
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Post by juanveron on Sept 26, 2024 10:42:42 GMT
This situation with ETH.. we all know how it’s going to end.. only clubs like Bayern and Real have what it takes to not fuck around with this and do what is required while there’s still something to play for.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 26, 2024 11:11:03 GMT
I'm still OK with giving him until the end of the year. Hojlund is still a little way off match fitness and Rashford is still finding his form and Ugarte is still being integrated into the team and the coaching team has changed and we finally have a team around the manager who understand football and can support him. And we are at least starting to create more chances and look more defensively solid so that is an improvement on last season.
But end of the year if we are outside top 4 and languishing halfway down the Europa league table then it is a no brainer to give Ruud the caretaker job while we start to interview new managers.
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Post by seanie on Sept 26, 2024 12:14:52 GMT
I said all along from the start it was going to be choppy and frustrating until at least mid November and that everyone would lose their patience! It's a hard watch right now. I was 20 minutes into that Crystal Palace game and getting annoyed and just knew we were going to struggle to score and last night was so poor and too familiar.
I'm ok with the rotation because I believe we will be really good in the second half of the year and it will really tell from December on. He has a lot of new players and even Mount and Amad are kind of new in some respect, so it's not straight forward to just pick an obvious 11 at this stage, with so many new players needing game time. He's going to have to find that strongest 11 soon though and get consistency.
We have one hell of a run now with the next 8 games until early November, but he usually does well in these situations.
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Post by redcase on Sept 26, 2024 12:25:03 GMT
Well the manager set the tone pre match, blubbering about how much he cared for them.
Get this fucking man out, please.
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Post by viking22 on Sept 26, 2024 13:28:37 GMT
Good points seanie. From a results point of view the rotation has been sub-optimal. But the idea is to get everyone match fit and competing for places so that we can handle a large volume of games and injuries don't send us into a tailspin. And we haven't lost that much ground. We are only 4 points away from top 4 and 6 points away from 1st place. Of course it is hard to watch and ETH makes things worse with his press comments.
Of course if we are close to the end of the year and things don't seem to be clicking, results and performances are still inconsistent, and we are halfway down the Premier League and Europa League table then we will need to make the change.
And for those who want Ruud as caretaker there is no rush to make the appointment because he is still benefiting from being on the training ground getting to know the players and winning their respect. That will prepare him for when he is called upon to hold the fort if we decide to sack Erik mid season.
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 26, 2024 18:04:23 GMT
We need to pull the trigger on Eth sooner rather then later before the season is a complete waste, it's plain as day it isn't working and we clearly need a boost, just give it to ruud until we find a permanent manager.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 26, 2024 20:45:41 GMT
Alluded to same a while back, I'd legit get behind Ruud - even for him to keep the job permanently if he performs well - when Ten Hag is eventually sacked. Inevitable he'll be caretaker when this happens. 100%. And I’d expect the guys in charge to not allow emotions to sway a decision on his full-time appointment, a la PSG and Ole. Just saying. |
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