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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 26, 2024 21:08:17 GMT
100%. And I’d expect the guys in charge to not allow emotions to sway a decision on his full-time appointment, a la PSG and Ole. Just saying. 100% would have him back, him and ruud. |
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Post by Stretty on Sept 26, 2024 21:16:25 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 26, 2024 21:28:34 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. Unless they're top quality ofcourse. Nothing wrong with ex players if they offer more than nostalgia. |
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Post by Stretty on Sept 26, 2024 21:31:37 GMT
Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. Unless they're top quality ofcourse. Nothing wrong with ex players if they offer more than nostalgia. Agree with that. on merit alone nothing else. |
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Post by Kojak on Sept 26, 2024 21:33:05 GMT
100% would have him back, him and ruud. Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. Not sure it went to shit straight after, think we finished 3rd and 2nd after that point didn’t we? Anyway, I love him and if it’s going to be average then I’d rather have someone at the helm who I have an investment in. It actually made me sad last time to see how far the bastards dragged him down, so this isn’t a realistic statement obviously, more tongue in cheek. But I do love him and enjoyed the games we won under him twice as much as under anyone else post Fergie. |
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Post by kingkobbie on Sept 26, 2024 21:48:53 GMT
Ineos would never hire Ole, thank god
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Post by Stretty on Sept 27, 2024 5:27:30 GMT
Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. Not sure it went to shit straight after, think we finished 3rd and 2nd after that point didn’t we? Anyway, I love him and if it’s going to be average then I’d rather have someone at the helm who I have an investment in. It actually made me sad last time to see how far the bastards dragged him down, so this isn’t a realistic statement obviously, more tongue in cheek. But I do love him and enjoyed the games we won under him twice as much as under anyone else post Fergie. I get that but glazers aside it’s one of the things that have been holding us back. All this “club legend”,“knows the club” and “gets the club” has to stop and a fresh pair of eyes is the best way to go(even though it may not always work out). Ralf Ragnick is a prime example as he assessed and sad what the likes of ole and Giggs never would. |
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Post by Stretty on Sept 27, 2024 5:30:07 GMT
Ineos would never hire Ole, thank god Ratcliffe doesn’t seem the type to let sentiment piss his money up the wall. The glazers appointed him because he was cheap and the fans wouldn’t turn on him for a few years. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 27, 2024 8:26:39 GMT
Ole as caretaker manager with Ruud as assistant manager would probably give us a better chance of making top 4 this season than sticking with Erik. They'd certainly get a lot more out of our attacking options and I suspect the players would enjoy playing for them more and put in more effort as a result. And Ole's record certainly qualifies him to be a caretaker manager. He finished top 4 two seasons in a row for us with a much much weaker squad. It would also be a dream team that we could all get behind if we knew it was only a temporary appointment and INEOS was interviewing new managers in the background.
Obviously we wouldn't want him as permanent manager again. His style of football is a bit too basic and limited (although at least he has a style of football!) and he lacks the tactical nous to win the big games so would never win any trophies for us.
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 27, 2024 9:16:34 GMT
Why? He had a good bounce but instead of waiting until the end of the season the club stupidly appointed him after the PSG result and it went to shit more or less straight after. We need to stop this ex player obsession. Not sure it went to shit straight after, think we finished 3rd and 2nd after that point didn’t we? Anyway, I love him and if it’s going to be average then I’d rather have someone at the helm who I have an investment in. It actually made me sad last time to see how far the bastards dragged him down, so this isn’t a realistic statement obviously, more tongue in cheek. But I do love him and enjoyed the games we won under him twice as much as under anyone else post Fergie. His first 3 seasons were fine but alot of variables were at play including Covid. Oles inability to win a trophy despite have two glorious chances in Europe was a low point for me. He could never quite get things right when it really mattered and that caught up on him. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Sept 27, 2024 12:38:51 GMT
100%. And I’d expect the guys in charge to not allow emotions to sway a decision on his full-time appointment, a la PSG and Ole. Just saying. Pass. We've barked up this tree and it ultimately failed. Love the guy but I think if ETH leaves then we need to move forward |
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Post by Tatty on Sept 27, 2024 13:04:37 GMT
Not sure it went to shit straight after, think we finished 3rd and 2nd after that point didn’t we? Anyway, I love him and if it’s going to be average then I’d rather have someone at the helm who I have an investment in. It actually made me sad last time to see how far the bastards dragged him down, so this isn’t a realistic statement obviously, more tongue in cheek. But I do love him and enjoyed the games we won under him twice as much as under anyone else post Fergie. His first 3 seasons were fine but alot of variables were at play including Covid. Oles inability to win a trophy despite have two glorious chances in Europe was a low point for me. He could never quite get things right when it really mattered and that caught up on him. Didn't help De Gea decided to save 0 penalties. |
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Post by viking22 on Sept 27, 2024 13:27:01 GMT
What did it for Ole was the arrival of Ronaldo. That coincided with a slump in Bruno and Rashford's form and the counter attacking football that had served him well no longer worked. Lack of trophies also didn't help his credibility. Although consecutive top 4 finishes was a very impressive achievement and the squad he had at his disposal was a lot weaker than the one Erik has had.
Still we could do a lot worse for a caretaker manager who'd give us a chance of making top 4 this season and INEOS wouldn't give him the permanent job so we wouldn't have to worry about that.
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Post by seanie on Sept 27, 2024 13:36:45 GMT
I read an article with Simon Stone, saying Ten Hag was given a chance because the structure wasn't there, but now the structure is there he should be doing better. It's barely started the season and the benefits of the new structure are stability and ongoing support. How the fuck can a sports journalist write that after 5 games with Ineos barely in the door
1. We had a crap pre season, with so many key players away in International competitions and the transfers were mostly done late. Ugarte has played very little football at this level in the last 6 months.
2. We have injuries to key players Hojlund, Yoro, Shaw, Mount.
3. We mainly bought defensive players and although we are creating much more chances, people wonder why we aren't scoring.
4. We are relying on very young forwards with barely a season at top flight each for several of them.
How do people not see that this was going to be a slow start and most of the issues we have had mainly not finishing chances and one or two individual errors are not down to the coach or the tactics.
We have to be honest about some fan favorites up top who just aren't there yet, despite the talent, pace or ability to run behind defenders. There's a lot of talk about City losing Rodri for the season which will be a big blow to them, but imagine they lost Haaland too? Where would all of their goals come from with what they have available and they are a more accomplished and established team.
If you had two top class more experienced forwards Striker and right winger in that team right now, we would be on 12/15 points and this team would at least challenge for the league.
If you want him to tighten it all up and get top 4 and win a cup he can do that, like he did in year 1, but we wouldn't be progressing with a style that's pretty obviously full throttle offensive football. The problem is if you create 5 clear chances a game and only score 1 goal or less, then you are going to draw or lose at this level and end up mid table. It's a lot of pressure on young forwards and the big question is do they step up.
Midfield isn't exactly stocked with world class prime age players either BTW.
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Post by kingkobbie on Sept 27, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
I read an article with Simon Stone, saying Ten Hag was given a chance because the structure wasn't there, but now the structure is there he should be doing better. It's barely started the season and the benefits of the new structure are stability and ongoing support. How the fuck can a sports journalist write that after 5 games with Ineos barely in the door 1. We had a crap pre season, with so many key players away in International competitions and the transfers were mostly done late. Ugarte has played very little football at this level in the last 6 months. 2. We have injuries to key players Hojlund, Yoro, Shaw, Mount. 3. We mainly bought defensive players and although we are creating much more chances, people wonder why we aren't scoring. 4. We are relying on very young forwards with barely a season at top flight each for several of them. How do people not see that this was going to be a slow start and most of the issues we have had mainly not finishing chances and one or two individual errors are not down to the coach or the tactics. We have to be honest about some fan favorites up top who just aren't there yet, despite the talent, pace or ability to run behind defenders. There's a lot of talk about City losing Rodri for the season which will be a big blow to them, but imagine they lost Haaland too? Where would all of their goals come from with what they have available and they are a more accomplished and established team. If you had two top class more experienced forwards Striker and right winger in that team right now, we would be on 12/15 points and this team would at least challenge for the league. If you want him to tighten it all up and get top 4 and win a cup he can do that, like he did in year 1, but we wouldn't be progressing with a style that's pretty obviously full throttle offensive football. The problem is if you create 5 clear chances a game and only score 1 goal or less, then you are going to draw or lose at this level and end up mid table. It's a lot of pressure on young forwards and the big question is do they step up. Midfield isn't exactly stocked with world class prime age players either BTW. People are impatient and tired of seeing us struggle. But your post has a lot of truth. |
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